"The Wire" fans
Download the "The Wire" bible. Early conceptual drafts of what, who, where, and when. Fun reading by David Simon.
http://leethomson.myzen.co.uk/The_Wi...re_-_Bible.pdf |
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Incredible find. Thanks!
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Sweet as.
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That's really cool. Never had a chance to look through a show bible before.
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And Herc isn't a steroid addict.
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Aaron Barksdale...
This stuff is great. |
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Stringy Bell
That was great, thanks. Rep |
"Stringy" Bell = a legit laugh-out-loud.
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Could you imagine???
Aaron Barksdale: "Stringy, I need you to take care of Omar." Stringy Bell: "You got it Aaron." Aaron Barksdale: "Thats why you my man Stringy." |
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I wonder why they changed all those names?
I bet they started shooting and it just sounded weird. McArdle, Stringy, Aaron. Mcnaulty, Stringer, and Avon all sound more badass. |
I thought it was really interesting that the city initially wasn't going to be named. The show Bible is all like "This city has such and such architecture" that totally describes Baltimore, but not once in the show Bible did it say that Baltimore was the setting.
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I agree, but they had to name it somewhere, and I bet a fake city name would have lessened the show.
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Did I mention I love this ****ing show?
I bought the Complete Series some time in Dec/Jan and I just finished it earlier this month. I bought it sight unseen, and it is my 2nd or 3rd favorite TV Show of all time. I told my friend he had to watch it and he was so skeptical. Hes now watched the first 5 episodes and is hooked. I'm making him watch every episode with me so I can watch it again. Its crazy how awesome the first season is especially after watching all the other seasons. |
I watched the series for the first time last December in only six days. I was literally doing nothing but watching The Wire for 12 hours a day or so.
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The first 3 seasons were epic. The 4th season is just too depressing to revisit for me, and the 5th didn't really grab my attention all that much.
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I seriously have never heard a single cogent argument against The Wire being the best television show ever.
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"I just don't care for cop shows." :banghead: His loss, I guess. |
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There were moments on Friends and Seinfeld that were more entertaining, but I can't say they were better, too much apple/orange dissimilarity. I've only gotten to see the first two seasons of Hill Street Blues, but given the time frame it was made in, it's truly AMAZING how good it is. The only other one that gives a similar level of satisfaction is ER, for it's groundbreaking early seasons, then it's mature, unprecedented ability to credibly show characters growing from neophytes to masters of their field over the years [think John Carter, then subsequently Archie Morris, and don't forget Neela]. But yeah, The Wire is up there. |
And I still haven't.
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Look, you can search back in the archives and I've given some of the most empassioned and detailed hailings of the show anyone has, but credit where credit is due. Fer****ssake, Homicide is basically, The Wire: The Prequel, written with as much passion by the same guy who crafted The Wire. There's hardly a man on earth who David Simon takes a back seat to, but IMO David Milch is one such man [albeit by the slenderest of margins]. He dinged himself with John From Cincinnati, but Blue and Deadwood stand testiment to his abilities. Keep it up and you're gonna call out the West Wing acolytes and then we're really gonna have a ruckus. FTR, I liked TWW a lot and watched it all the way through, but I never found it as transcendent as those who truly love it did, mainly because I'd seen Sports Night and could see the strings, which by the time he got around to Studio 60, there was more 'strings' on the screen than plot or character. |
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I think Deadwood is ****ing great, but better than The Wire? I can't see how. No show besides The Wire is as relevant to the problems of America; no show packs the kind of documentary-like punch of stark realism that The Wire packs while offering such strong fictionalized/dramatic content to make the bleakness slightly palatable; no show offers such a thorough, sustained examination and argument about its topic as The Wire offers; plenty of shows have great, nuanced, sublimely human characters (in fact man shows have flat-out better characters) but no show has smart, realized characters in addition to the intellectual and artistic merits that The Wire achieves. In many ways its unfair to compare The Wire to other TV shows; viewers have to approach it in such a different way than they do other television. Its a whole lot more like reading a novel than watching a TV drama. |
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To me, that's like knocking a Bertolt Brecht play for being written in the Epic Theater style. His plays were overtly political to the point where the politics trumps the characters (in a more severe way than The Wire does). That doesn't stop Brecht, for me, from being one of the absolute greats. |
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For The Wire -vs- Deadwood, it's like saying whether a perfect filet mignon or a perfect creme brulee is the ultimate repast. The Wire tied things together over the course of a season, and really rewarded a viewer for paying attention to all the little pieces, but it could slow down in spurts where either the gravity of the scene isn't yet revealed or it dwelled on one or more of the storylines that weren't as resonant with you. OTOH, Deadwood had plot, scene, cinematography, shock value, and nearly Shakespearian scripting. I never spent a minute watching Deadwood other than bolt upright and engaged, a lofty standard The Wire fell 'just' short of. I could be cynical of myself and muse that the situations of black folk didn't resonate as much as a bunch of old cowboys, but The Wire was, IMO it's most . . . what, slow? meandering? plodding? [relative terms all] when covering the Sobotka storyline, whereas I could eat up every minute Snoop or Omar were on screen. |
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My favorite Seasons in order - 4, 1, 5, 2, 3 (4 and 1 are basically a tie, as well as 5 and 2) Quote:
Every season was great, and I really liked the Sobotka storyline. Sure it was slow at the beginning of the season, but tell me which season didn't start off slow? The Sobotka storyline had all the same intellectual intricacies as the rest of the seasons, I think. I can't wait til I get to season two to watch that storyline again. |
Season 2 is so brilliant. The Sobotka family/docks environment initially hit me as, well, not-as-good as the Barksdale world. But I soon came to appreciate that world, especially after the season was over and I could piece it together into the larger project of The Wire. When I re-watched Season 2, I was losing my shit at how good it was.
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I don't feel worthy of looking at it.
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I'm not sure how I'd rank the seasons, but the 4th was my favorite and the 2nd was my least favorite.
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The last two I would not watch as I worked night shift and didn't want to be at work after seeing an episode with some dramatically depressing ending. I'd VHS record them and watch them in the AM when I got home. |
This scene is awesome.
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More Awesome Season 1 Scenes
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Scenes that make me sad. I'm putting spoiler tags on this because the names of the vids reveal stuff if you haven't seen all the seasons yet.
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Don't watch any of those spoiler-tagged clips if you haven't seen the show. Don't watch a single damn one of them.
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In looking back, I think Season 1 may be my favorite season. It's like picking your favorite child, though. |
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I think my two favorite TV scenes of all time are that scene where Dee explains chess and the scene in Deadwood when Dan fights Captain Turner.
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Cy beating Veronica Mars cross-eyed. |
This is possibly the best picture on the internet.
http://www.duttyartz.com/wp-content/...09/01/clay.jpg |
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3, 1, 4, 2 Still, there is nothing better than a drinking scene with McNaulty and Bunk. |
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What The Wire does is present an incredibly accurate depiction of the American city, but its fictional elements work to "lighten up" the subject matter just a tiny bit so that the show is somewhat palatable to watch. Season 4 & 5 are the bleakest & hardest to handle, though. I think that's why the may be the best. |
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"Packa Newpowt" |
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Just finished the entire series. Epic is one word that comes to mind.
I'm not sure how to rank them just yet because I'm having a hard time with season 5. It just doesn't seem to fit the rest. The rest were realistic while 5 felt over the top. Yet, many of the ideas behind 5 are powerful. I'm gonna have to think about it. My gut says: 4 & 1 (tie), 3 & 5 (tie), 2. But let's not pretend that says much. There's almost no distance between any of them, really. Also, UP, you are correct when describing 10-12 hour days of The Wire. It is heaven. |
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Rewatch and see if you like it better, thats the case with most people. I loved it the first time through. I need to re-watch this show. |
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I'm on disc 3 of season 4. Amazed how they're able to come up with fresh storylines without abandoning what made the show great in the first place. I'd like to see more McNulty, though.
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I'm half-tempted to rank them like so: 4 & 1, 3, 2, 5. But I don't think I can because there's much of 5 to like. And 2 seems like the black sheep in that many of it's storylines don't continue. Sure, the Greek comes back and has a job in the later seasons but aside from that, it didn't offer the overlapping storylines that made most of the seasons great. Like I said though, it's a tough choice regardless because each has their own merits. I loved the dock setting, for example. |
I have a tough time ranking the top 2, but I think I go
4, 1, 2, 5, 3 |
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2.) Odd that you say the media plot of season 5 was emotionally unattached, as it was the most personal of plots for David Simon. I understand the criticism that the editors were not portrayed as fully as other characters, but they aren't the first ones. Characters like Andy Krawchek or Commish Valcheck are similarly one-note. It doesn't serve the story to reveal more about them, and I would argue that we don't need to know. We can easily extrapolate what the motivations of the editors might be; what "their side" would be. 3.) It didn't serve the story to continue following the dock workers. Nothing changed about their situation. All the necessary follow-up was found in the season 5 cameos: Nick Sobatka complaining about the same ol, same ol with riverfront development & about the robots taking away even more jobs, and also Johnny Fifty's cameo as one of the homeless under the bridge that McNulty saw. Having Vondas and The Greek pop up a few times was conducive to the story because they were the connect. But it would have done nothing to further the messages of the show to continue following the dock workers just to follow them. Simon & Burns said what they wanted to say. |
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