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Rams Fan 08-24-2014 03:53 PM

**** you guys saying taking a QB in the first solves everything
 
Bradford's hurt again. He's played above average since he's been drafted. The Rams built around him on O and built a good D in the meantime. **** all of you guys who said drafting a QB solves everything.

Hammock Parties 08-24-2014 03:55 PM

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ptlyon 08-24-2014 03:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rams Fan (Post 10846921)
Bradford's hurt again. He's played above average since he's been drafted. The Rams built around him on O and built a good D in the meantime. **** all of you guys who said drafting a QB solves everything.

Todd blackledge FU

TLO 08-24-2014 03:55 PM

I'm sorry.

cmh6476 08-24-2014 03:55 PM

Cardinals suck

RealSNR 08-24-2014 03:57 PM

When has this brokedick ever demonstrated that he can be dependably relied on to stay healthy and guide his team to the playoffs and beyond? LMAO

The Rams were morons for putting their eggs in this pussy's basket.

Ming the Merciless 08-24-2014 03:58 PM

injuries happen

no one even remembers or talks about Moeaki

Imagine his pain

RealSNR 08-24-2014 03:59 PM

I seem to remember the last time the Rams starting QB went out for the year in the preseason.

You should be happy about this, RamsFan.

thabear04 08-24-2014 04:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pawnmower (Post 10846945)
injuries happen

no one even remembers or talks about Moeaki

Imagine his pain

Is he still with the bills.

milkman 08-24-2014 04:02 PM

It's always a surprise when dumbasses don't understand the argument.

Deberg_1990 08-24-2014 04:03 PM

Well, at least you guys didnt take Clausen #1 overall like CP would have done.

OldSchool 08-24-2014 04:04 PM

Lol. Preach the truth! ROFL

Bewbies 08-24-2014 04:04 PM

Sam Bradford was hurt when they drafted him wasn't he? LMAO

$70,000,000 for a broke dick, pricey....

OldSchool 08-24-2014 04:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bewbies (Post 10846966)
Sam Bradford was hurt when they drafted him wasn't he? LMAO

$70,000,000 for a broke dick, pricey....

Actually, $78 mil, lol.

Rams Fan 08-24-2014 04:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SNR (Post 10846939)
When has this brokedick ever demonstrated that he can be dependably relied on to stay healthy and guide his team to the playoffs and beyond? LMAO

The Rams were morons for putting their eggs in this pussy's basket.

His rookie year(didn't miss any snaps) and 2012. 2011 he would have missed less time if Spags rested him and didn't aggravate his sprain.

Bewbies 08-24-2014 04:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by OldSchool (Post 10846970)
Actually, $78 mil, lol.

I was asking (for the inevitable) 10% senior discount.

Bearcat 08-24-2014 04:07 PM

No one says that.

That sucks.

thabear04 08-24-2014 04:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bewbies (Post 10846966)
Sam Bradford was hurt when they drafted him wasn't he? LMAO

$70,000,000 for a broke dick, pricey....

Think it was his ankle.

DeezNutz 08-24-2014 04:08 PM

I hear you. I was screaming for the Rams to take a high-upside yet safe pick like Jason Smith. Dude was a ****ing stud in college.

Oh, shit...

Rams Fan 08-24-2014 04:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by milkman (Post 10846960)
It's always a surprise when dumbasses don't understand the argument.

I understand the argument. Prior to Bradford, the Rams hadn't drafted a QB in the 1st since 1960.

I'd rather take a QB from the 2nd round on, every ****ing draft, until a "franchise" QB is found as to make the cap manageable then pinning the hopes onto one drafted 1st overall(who had a large salary due to the previous CBA, mind you) while building around him.

Fritz88 08-24-2014 04:09 PM

That's the NFL.

milkman 08-24-2014 04:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rams Fan (Post 10846987)
I understand the argument. Prior to Bradford, the Rams hadn't drafted a QB in the 1st since 1960.

I'd rather take a QB from the 2nd round on, every ****ing draft, until a "franchise" QB is found as to make the cap manageable then pinning the hopes onto one drafted 1st overall(who had a large salary due to the previous CBA, mind you) while building around him.

The argument has never been that all of your problems are solved when taking a first round QB.

The argument is that your best chance at finding an elite QB, a franchise QB, is taking a QB in the first round.

I have no problem with your plan.
You are almost certainly going to hit on one eventually.

Ming the Merciless 08-24-2014 04:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by thabear04 (Post 10846952)
Is he still with the bills.

he ripped his hammy real bad apparently


not sure whats up with him

OldSchool 08-24-2014 04:14 PM

RG3 looks like crap now too, lol. He has been pretty bad since his return from the injury.

jonzie04 08-24-2014 04:15 PM

Chiefs are failing due to sucking in the draft. We have only had like 3 good draft picks since 200****ing8

Rams Fan 08-24-2014 04:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by milkman (Post 10846994)
The argument has never been that all of your problems are solved when taking a first round QB.

The argument is that your best chance at finding an elite QB, a franchise QB, is taking a QB in the first round.

I have no problem with your plan.
You are almost certainly going to hit on one eventually.

Honestly, that's my largest problem with Fisher at the moment. He brought in a vet backup that's better than Clemens, fine. However, I don't understand why not to draft a QB in the 2nd or 3rd, especially considering that Hill won't be around forever and if Bradford would have stayed healthy for a long period of time, he'd still need someone to hold the clipboard, so why not draft someone with more potential than Garrett ****ing Gilbert?

Deberg_1990 08-24-2014 04:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by milkman (Post 10846994)
The argument has never been that all of your problems are solved when taking a first round QB.

The argument is that your best chance at finding an elite QB, a franchise QB, is taking a QB in the first round.

I have no problem with your plan.
You are almost certainly going to hit on one eventually.

I completely understand the argument.
On the flip flop, there are plenty of others ways to skin a cat. We just had a Super Bowl winner with a 3rd rounder.


The Rams did the right thing. Just a victim of bad luck.

32 teams out of 32 teams would have taken Bradford in that same position.

OldSchool 08-24-2014 04:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Deberg_1990 (Post 10847012)
I completely understand the argument.
On the flip flop, there are plenty of others ways to skin a cat. We just had a Super Bowl winner with a 3rd rounder.


The Rams did the right thing. Just a victim of bad luck.

32 teams out of 32 teams would have taken Bradford in that same position.

Nah, I would have taken Suh, the most dominant player in college football in 2010. Bradford was very "meh" to me.

milkman 08-24-2014 04:28 PM

My problem with ths Chiefs approach isn't that they haven't taken a first round QB, it's that they have only committed to a young QB with potential in 30 years.

KcMizzou 08-24-2014 04:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Deberg_1990 (Post 10847012)
I completely understand the argument.
On the flip flop, there are plenty of others ways to skin a cat. We just had a Super Bowl winner with a 3rd rounder.


The Rams did the right thing. Just a victim of bad luck.

32 teams out of 32 teams would have taken Bradford in that same position.

Really? I watched Bradford all through college, and he never struck me as an elite QB talent.

Bearcat 08-24-2014 04:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Deberg_1990 (Post 10847012)
I completely understand the argument.
On the flip flop, there are plenty of others ways to skin a cat. We just had a Super Bowl winner with a 3rd rounder.


The Rams did the right thing. Just a victim of bad luck.

32 teams out of 32 teams would have taken Bradford in that same position.

Agenda cherry picking aside, there's pretty much two... a QB who's capable of playing at an elite level in the playoffs or a defense that can stop one (since you'll probably be playing against one).

RealSNR 08-24-2014 04:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Deberg_1990 (Post 10847012)
I completely understand the argument.
On the flip flop, there are plenty of others ways to skin a cat. We just had a Super Bowl winner with a 3rd rounder.


The Rams did the right thing. Just a victim of bad luck.

32 teams out of 32 teams would have taken Bradford in that same position.

Bradford is one of the few 1st round QBs I advocated for passing on if the Chiefs were in that position. I legitimately believed he was a pile of shit.

The other was Branden Weeden.

I put stock in a lot of shitty QBs, but I also put stock in some QBs like Flacco that people wanted nothing to do with.

Deberg_1990 08-24-2014 04:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by milkman (Post 10847021)
My problem with ths Chiefs approach isn't that they haven't taken a first round QB, it's that they have only committed to a young QB with potential in 30 years.

Yea, I would agree with this.

Honestly , there haven't been many 1st round QBs they passed on that turned out to be anything. Rodgers is the only one that comes to mind.


The Chiefs have drafted many lower round QBs, but did a crap job of developing them.

Bearcat 08-24-2014 04:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by milkman (Post 10847021)
My problem with ths Chiefs approach isn't that they haven't taken a first round QB, it's that they have only committed to a young QB with potential in 30 years.

Yeah, it's not like you have to every year or even every few years, and if you're successful despite not developing your own QBs, awesome... but, the exact same strategy for three decades with no success to show for it is pathetic.

Mother****erJones 08-24-2014 04:33 PM

No ones saying it solves a goddamn thing. We're saying at least TRY!

RealSNR 08-24-2014 04:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Deberg_1990 (Post 10847033)
Yea, I would agree with this.

Honestly , there haven't been many 1st round QBs they passed on that turned out to be anything. Rodgers is the only one that comes to mind.


The Chiefs have drafted many lower round QBs, but did a crap job of developing them.

"Many"

Brodie Croyle, Ricky Stanzi, and Aaron Murray.

Yeah, we sure are throwing our seeds all over the ****ing place!

Rams Fan 08-24-2014 04:36 PM

If Luck was at 2 instead of RG3, I would have been more open to the idea of taking Luck then stay and take RG3.

Rams Fan 08-24-2014 04:37 PM

It's official now. **** this shit.

Bearcat 08-24-2014 04:38 PM

Not sure why it has to be limited to 1st round, either... no QBs in the first 3 rounds since Croyle........ and 15 linemen since then.

Deberg_1990 08-24-2014 04:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SNR (Post 10847042)
"Many"

Brodie Croyle, Ricky Stanzi, and Aaron Murray.

Yeah, we sure are throwing our seeds all over the ****ing place!

I'm talking over the past 25 to 30 years.


Steve Stenstrom, Mike Elkins, Matt Blundin etc....

KcMizzou 08-24-2014 04:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mother****erJones (Post 10847036)
No ones saying it solves a goddamn thing. We're saying at least TRY!

You have to be more than a little lucky. Bad enough to be in position to take an elite QB, at the same time when there's one available. We suffered through a season bad enough to get the first pick in the draft, and ended up with Eric ****ing Fisher.

Even if he eventually is not a bust (sure looks like one right now), it'll always be a disappointing pick.

milkman 08-24-2014 04:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SNR (Post 10847031)
Bradford is one of the few 1st round QBs I advocated for passing on if the Chiefs were in that position. I legitimately believed he was a pile of shit.

The other was Branden Weeden.

I put stock in a lot of shitty QBs, but I also put stock in some QBs like Flacco that people wanted nothing to do with.

I didn't like those guys either, and I didn't like Ryan.

And of the other QBs that others liked that didn't go first round, I didn't like Clausen.

There's more, but they aren't coming to mind at the moment.

RealSNR 08-24-2014 04:46 PM

Rams Fan:

You have the following offers. Do you bite on any of them? Yes, all teams are going to make you pay prices this steep, especially Washington.

Rams get: Kirk Cousins
Rams give up: 2015 1st round pick, 2016 3rd round pick

Rams get: Matt Cassel
Rams give up: 2015 2nd round pick, 2015 6th round pick

Rams get: Mark Sanchez
Rams give up: 2015 3rd round pick, conditional 3rd/4th round pick in 2016

Rams get: Ryan Mallett
Rams give up: 2015 2nd round pick

Rams get: Chase Daniel
Rams give up: Brandon McGee

Bearcat 08-24-2014 04:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by KcMizzou (Post 10847057)
You have to be more than a little lucky. Bad enough to be in position to take an elite QB, at the same time when there's one available. We suffered through a season bad enough to get the first pick in the draft, and ended up with Eric ****ing Fisher.

Even if he eventually is not a bust (sure looks like one right now), it'll always be a disappointing pick.

Every quarterback was available, but of course you can't select just anyone at 1.1.




/sarcasm

Rams Fan 08-24-2014 04:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SNR (Post 10847066)
Rams Fan:

You have the following offers. Do you bite on any of them?

Rams get: Kirk Cousins
Rams give up: 2015 1st round pick, 2016 3rd round pick

Rams get: Matt Cassel
Rams give up: 2015 2nd round pick, 2015 6th round pick

Rams get: Mark Sanchez
Rams give up: 2015 3rd round pick, conditional 3rd/4th round pick in 2016

Rams get: Ryan Mallett
Rams give up: 2015 2nd round pick

Rams get: Chase Daniel
Rams give up: Brandon McGee

Possibly
No
No
Doubtful
No(CB depth is already thin)

I'd like Cousins or Glennon. I think Glennon can be had less for Cousins, though I don't know if that's the case with Lovie's comments about him being the QBOTF.

RealSNR 08-24-2014 04:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rams Fan (Post 10847069)
Possibly
No
No
Doubtful
No(CB depth is already thin)

I'd like Cousins or Glennon. I think Glennon can be had less for Cousins, though I don't know if that's the case with Lovie's comments about him being the QBOTF.

In that case, throw Glennon into the mix for a 2015 2nd.

Rams Fan 08-24-2014 04:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SNR (Post 10847070)
In that case, throw Glennon into the mix for a 2015 2nd.

If Fisher and Snead think that Glennon can be the starter for the future, then sure, I'd be down with that.

Deberg_1990 08-24-2014 04:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SNR (Post 10847066)
Rams Fan:

You have the following offers. Do you bite on any of them? Yes, all teams are going to make you pay prices this steep, especially Washington.

Rams get: Kirk Cousins
Rams give up: 2015 1st round pick, 2016 3rd round pick

Rams get: Matt Cassel
Rams give up: 2015 2nd round pick, 2015 6th round pick

Rams get: Mark Sanchez
Rams give up: 2015 3rd round pick, conditional 3rd/4th round pick in 2016

Rams get: Ryan Mallett
Rams give up: 2015 2nd round pick

Rams get: Chase Daniel
Rams give up: Brandon McGee


hmmmmm. Cassel vs Sanchez. Decisions. Decisions.

Rams Fan 08-24-2014 04:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Deberg_1990 (Post 10847072)
hmmmmm. Cassel vs Sanchez. Decisions. Decisions.

Sanchez if I had to choose between the 2. He at least knows Schottenheimer's system.

milkman 08-24-2014 04:54 PM

I don't think I'd trust the development of any young QB to Brian Schottenheimer.

Mav 08-24-2014 05:03 PM

Cousins if they could get him, would be a god send.

They should look into Mallet as well.

Molitoth 08-24-2014 05:06 PM

At least the rams tried, too bad they chose a really overrated prospect.

KcMizzou 08-24-2014 05:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rams Fan (Post 10847074)
Sanchez if I had to choose between the 2. He at least knows Schottenheimer's system.

Wrong choice, IMO.

Munson 08-24-2014 05:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rams Fan (Post 10846921)
Bradford's hurt again. He's played above average since he's been drafted. The Rams built around him on O and built a good D in the meantime. **** all of you guys who said drafting a QB solves everything.

Carl Peterson and the Hunt family agree! :LOL:

WakkaWakka 08-24-2014 05:15 PM

Think the Rams would be dumb enough to trade 2 2nd round picks for Alex Smith? No team is THAT dumb! right? ....oh wait.

Cheater5 08-24-2014 05:18 PM

Drafting a QB in the first round MAY not solve everything. But I know that NOT drafting one gets you three decades of mediocrity.

TribalElder 08-24-2014 05:30 PM

We cannot help it if you picked a shitty quarterback

Rams Fan 08-24-2014 05:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TribalElder (Post 10847136)
We cannot help it if you picked a shitty quarterback

Hindsight always is right, isn't it?

New World Order 08-24-2014 05:39 PM

You could of had Blake Bortles. Instead you draft an offensive lineman at number 2 who didn't even start last night.

R8RFAN 08-24-2014 05:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SNR (Post 10846939)
When has this brokedick ever demonstrated that he can be dependably relied on to stay healthy and guide his team to the playoffs and beyond? LMAO

The Rams were morons for putting their eggs in this pussy's basket.

Pot meet Kettle :LOL:

notorious 08-24-2014 05:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by New World Order (Post 10847155)
You could of had Blake Bortles. Instead you draft an offensive lineman at number 2 who didn't even start last night.

/thread

Deberg_1990 08-24-2014 05:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by New World Order (Post 10847155)
You could of had Blake Bortles. Instead you draft an offensive lineman at number 2 who didn't even start last night.

The should have drafted RGIII and dumped Bradford

Reerun_KC 08-24-2014 05:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Deberg_1990 (Post 10846964)
Well, at least you guys didnt take Clausen #1 overall like CP would have done.

QFT. This place melted down when we passed on that dickcap.

RealSNR 08-24-2014 05:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 3rd&48ers (Post 10847158)
Pot meet Kettle :LOL:

Which QBs have I ever championed who are made of glass?

I mean, I kind of liked Jake Locker I suppose, but I wasn't exactly banging the table like I have QB prospects that I REALLY endorse

Rams Fan 08-24-2014 05:50 PM

Just read this on PFT:

Quote:

Aug 24, 2014 7:40 PM
Just speculating on the obsurd yesterday that the Vikes are in a very good position. Bridgewater looks ready and is out performing Cassell. Perhaps now they will dangle Cassell to the Rams for a 1 and 4 pick. The Vikes Gm is a genius.

WTF is this bullshit.

jd1020 08-24-2014 05:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rams Fan (Post 10846921)
Bradford's hurt again. He's played above average since he's been drafted. The Rams built around him on O and built a good D in the meantime. **** all of you guys who said drafting a QB solves everything.

Say what?

Bowser 08-24-2014 05:53 PM

At least the Rams tried to find a franchise QB, even if their scouting department sold them on a broke dick.

RealSNR 08-24-2014 05:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rams Fan (Post 10847175)
Just read this on PFT:




WTF is this bullshit.

That is bonkers and ****ing insane.

A 1 and a 4? LMAO

Deberg_1990 08-24-2014 05:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bowser (Post 10847181)
At least the Rams tried to find a franchise QB, even if their scouting department sold them on a broke dick.

Heh, Sure. You know damn well this place would be going nuts right now if This would have happened to the Chiefs.

jd1020 08-24-2014 05:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rams Fan (Post 10847175)
Just read this on PFT:




WTF is this bullshit.

http://img3.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb2...lson_Ha-Ha.jpg

Bowser 08-24-2014 05:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rams Fan (Post 10847175)
Just read this on PFT:




WTF is this bullshit.

Holy shit. LMAO

jd1020 08-24-2014 05:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Deberg_1990 (Post 10847184)
Heh, Sure. You know damn well this place would be going nuts right now if This would have happened to the Chiefs.

It would suck, for sure.

But I wouldn't feel any worse for the season than I feel about it right now.

I'd feel better about the future knowing that the team just saw the last of their #1 pick QB and will likely replace him with another top QB next year.

Meanwhile, in KC, I have to worry about this bum mother****er replacing Alex because we are the Chiefs.

Bowser 08-24-2014 05:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Deberg_1990 (Post 10847184)
Heh, Sure. You know damn well this place would be going nuts right now if This would have happened to the Chiefs.

That brings up an interesting question -

What would be worse, drafting a QB 1.1 overall just to watch him get injured year after year, or draft a tackle at 1.1 just to watch him get repeatedly beat like a drum?

RealSNR 08-24-2014 06:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jd1020 (Post 10847192)
It would suck, for sure.

But I wouldn't feel any worse for the season than I feel about it right now.

I'd feel better about the future knowing that the team just saw the last of their #1 pick QB and will likely replace him with another top QB next year.

Meanwhile, in KC, I have to worry about this bum mother****er replacing Alex because we are the Chiefs.

Yep.

In one scenario the LT is being blamed for the faults of the shitfart QB, and very likely the shitfart QB would stay on the team.

In the other scenario, the shitfart QB is replaced.

I prefer the latter. Get the shitfart out of there.

notorious 08-24-2014 06:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rams Fan (Post 10847175)
Just read this on PFT:




WTF is this bullshit.


ROFL


Holy ****ing shit.

Rams Fan 08-24-2014 06:05 PM

I would become a Chiefs fan if Cassel became the starter.

R8RFAN 08-24-2014 06:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rams Fan (Post 10847204)
I would become a Chiefs fan if Cassel became the starter.

yOU MAY AS WELL, You have always wanted to be a Cheap fan... admit it

WakkaWakka 08-24-2014 06:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rams Fan (Post 10847204)
I would become a Chiefs fan if Cassel became the starter.

Don't put yourself through that kind of hell

R8RFAN 08-24-2014 06:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rams Fan (Post 10847204)
I would become a Chiefs fan if Cassel became the starter.

You would have to sell your trailer in St.Louie and buy another trailer in Kansas Shitty

John Dope 08-24-2014 06:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rams Fan (Post 10846921)
Bradford's hurt again. He's played above average since he's been drafted. The Rams built around him on O and built a good D in the meantime. **** all of you guys who said drafting a QB solves everything.

Maybe you can get Bray after we cut him?


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