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htismaqe 02-04-2014 05:22 PM

Any CP guitar players use Line 6?
 
Having issues with my Zoom amp modeling software, no longer being updated and the driver is horrible. I have to run it in a Windows XP VM which further screws up performance.

I'm think of switching to a Line 6 Spider amp. Has a more limited range of modeling options but doesn't depend on being connected to a computer. They get great reviews and I could get a 15W practice amp for under $100.

Gadzooks 02-04-2014 09:28 PM

- Which Zoom product were you using? I use a crusty 'ole G2.1u as my modeler
- What is the purpose of your amp (home recording, jamming with buddies, farting around, etc...)?

htismaqe 02-05-2014 07:49 AM

1. I'm using the Zoom C5.1t foot controller with the ZFX modeling software. It's very similar to what you have. The problem is that I've since switched to a 64-bit operating system, so the software has to be run in a VM. They're no long updating anything. I really want to get away from being dependent on my computer.

2. Sitting in my room practicing scales and playing along with audio tracks.

Gadzooks 02-05-2014 09:27 AM

Have you checked out the Peavy Vypyr? It's the same price and it looks like it has some more effects and modeling options.
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IMO - For the money, you can't go wrong either way.

otherstar 02-05-2014 09:33 AM

Get rid of the modeling amp and computer toys and just go buy a GOOD tube amp and try to find your own sound... :D

htismaqe 02-05-2014 10:51 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by otherstar (Post 10415466)
Get rid of the modeling amp and computer toys and just go buy a GOOD tube amp and try to find your own sound... :D

1) I had a GOOD tube amp. It's overkill for what I need and doesn't offer me the range of different sounds that I want.

2) I've been playing for over 30 years. I have my own sound. That's not what I'm looking for here.

otherstar 02-05-2014 11:13 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by htismaqe (Post 10415583)
1) I had a GOOD tube amp. It's overkill for what I need and doesn't offer me the range of different sounds that I want.

2) I've been playing for over 30 years. I have my own sound. That's not what I'm looking for here.

I've been playing for over 30 years too. I just happen to think most modeling amps sound too processed and fake (at least the solid state ones do). I think guitar players are better off with one or two good amps and a bunch of pedals over modeling amps. Just my two cents.

How many tones do you REALLY need? (a question I've asked myself a lot of times) My list: very clean; mild overdrive; more overdrive; full on distortion; chorus can be added to all of the above as can delay and wah. I can add more variety by picking a guitar with humbuckers or one with single coil pickups.

Have you looked at the Line 6 Modeling amps? I've heard good things about the newer ones, even if they are not my cup of tea (I don't like sounding like others...my tone is my own and is based mostly on a heavily overdriven Fender Super Reverb--my main amp; or a Fender Blues Junior--for practice).

If your budget allows it, the Line 6 DT25 looks badass!

Omaha 02-05-2014 11:15 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by otherstar (Post 10415466)
Get rid of the modeling amp and computer toys and just go buy a GOOD tube amp and try to find your own sound... :D

Nothing will ever top my old Marshall JCM2000, but it was too much of a pain to play around the house.

Molitoth 02-05-2014 11:27 AM

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Originally Posted by otherstar (Post 10415466)
Get rid of the modeling amp and computer toys and just go buy a GOOD tube amp and try to find your own sound... :D

lol. Old people not wanting to adapt to technology.

Axe-FX paired with the right cabs will blow anything else away.
Even the Line 6 HD500 is boss.

There have been an abundance of professional musicians now come out and say that they cannot even tell the difference between digital modeling and the real deal anymore.


Now, there is nothing wrong going with a vintage tube amp to get your tone, but to dismiss the quality of technology being put out and telling him he cannot find his "own sound" by going digital is just a very uneducated statement.

htismaqe 02-05-2014 11:30 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by otherstar (Post 10415642)
I've been playing for over 30 years too. I just happen to think most modeling amps sound too processed and fake (at least the solid state ones do). I think guitar players are better off with one or two good amps and a bunch of pedals over modeling amps. Just my two cents.

I'm not playing live or recording, I'm playing in my bedroom practicing.

Quote:

Originally Posted by otherstar (Post 10415642)
How many tones do you REALLY need?

As many as I can get. Again, I'm not playing live or recording. I'm practicing, which means I want to experiment with as many effects as possible without breaking the bank.

Quote:

Originally Posted by otherstar (Post 10415642)
I' Have you looked at the Line 6 Modeling amps?

Um, the thread title is "Music Any CP guitar players use Line 6?"

ROFL :thumb:

Molitoth 02-05-2014 11:35 AM

htis,

The HD series (300,400,500) are phenomenal.

If you are truly on a budget, I would get the 300 and then just find the most transparent mini practice amp you can find within your budget.

Omaha 02-05-2014 11:40 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Molitoth (Post 10415679)
lol. Old people not wanting to adapt to technology.

Axe-FX paired with the right cabs will blow anything else away.
Even the Line 6 HD500 is boss.

There have been an abundance of professional musicians now come out and say that they cannot even tell the difference between digital modeling and the real deal anymore.


Now, there is nothing wrong going with a vintage tube amp to get your tone, but to dismiss the quality of technology being put out and telling him he cannot find his "own sound" by going digital is just a very uneducated statement.

Modeling is close enough for me since I don't play live anymore. I love the convenience. That said, I've never found any modeling amp that can mimic the setup I had with my old tube amp. The biggest issue I have with it is changing from clean to distortion.

headsnap 02-05-2014 12:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by otherstar (Post 10415642)
I think guitar players are better off with one or two good amps and a bunch of pedals over modeling amps.

ROFL

I love the guys that use a bunch of pedals to get a sound that sounds like they aren't using pedals...




IMNSHO, processed is processed whether it's digital or analog...

htismaqe 02-05-2014 12:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Omaha (Post 10415709)
Modeling is close enough for me since I don't play live anymore. I love the convenience. That said, I've never found any modeling amp that can mimic the setup I had with my old tube amp. The biggest issue I have with it is changing from clean to distortion.

This.

Omaha 02-05-2014 12:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Molitoth (Post 10415698)
htis,

The HD series (300,400,500) are phenomenal.

If you are truly on a budget, I would get the 300 and then just find the most transparent mini practice amp you can find within your budget.

I just watched some videos that demo the 500. Now I want one. Thanks a lot, asshole!

:D

htismaqe 02-05-2014 12:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Molitoth (Post 10415679)
lol. Old people not wanting to adapt to technology.

Axe-FX paired with the right cabs will blow anything else away.
Even the Line 6 HD500 is boss.

There have been an abundance of professional musicians now come out and say that they cannot even tell the difference between digital modeling and the real deal anymore.


Now, there is nothing wrong going with a vintage tube amp to get your tone, but to dismiss the quality of technology being put out and telling him he cannot find his "own sound" by going digital is just a very uneducated statement.

The HD Pods are just way out of my price range right now. I can get a 15W Spider practice amp for under $100.

htismaqe 02-05-2014 12:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Omaha (Post 10415767)
I just watched some videos that demo the 500. Now I want one. Thanks a lot, asshole!

:D

What I have is exactly like that almost. Foot switches, way pedal, the whole thing.

It just depends on the computer and they've stopped updating the software and drivers.

headsnap 02-05-2014 12:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by htismaqe (Post 10414155)
I'm think of switching to a Line 6 Spider amp. Has a more limited range of modeling options but doesn't depend on being connected to a computer. They get great reviews and I could get a 15W practice amp for under $100.

I have played around with the Spider amp a ton at GC, I was looking at getting the Spider IV 30... I really like the thing, like the sounds and it is easy to use. I ended up getting a Beheringer V-Ampire head used for $50... I LOVE the thing! I use it for jamming in the basement when the family is home and also for my direct recording. My son has a Fender Mustang modelling amp that is fun to play around with.



After playing the digital thing for 20+ years I am now going to the tube amp and minimal effects route for my live stuff and I am loving it!

Molitoth 02-05-2014 12:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Omaha (Post 10415767)
I just watched some videos that demo the 500. Now I want one. Thanks a lot, asshole!

:D

Yeah, my buddy uses an HD500 and it's awesome.

He runs two 4x10 cabs and For his main distortion tone, he models a diezel VH4 on the left and a Triple Rec on the right.

and to fix the clean into distortion problem, the HD500 can use the expression pedal to blend the clean INTO the distortion tones so you don't get latency on the switch.

otherstar 02-05-2014 12:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by headsnap (Post 10415802)
After playing the digital thing for 20+ years I am now going to the tube amp and minimal effects route for my live stuff and I am loving it!

You actually got my point!

Molitoth 02-05-2014 12:57 PM

There are some variables into what a good decision for gear is.

Budget, Style, Genre, personal taste, etc.

There is no right or wrong answer.

ZepSinger 02-05-2014 01:09 PM

Anymore, I just run direct out of my BOSS ME-25 into the board. Easy as hell, no luggin' the Marshall around anymore, one less mic needed to mic the cab...

QuikSsurfer 02-05-2014 01:16 PM

I have used Line 6 amp heads and cabs for the last 6 years. Absolutely love them.
I have a Spider III 150 w head and 2x12 cab right now.

Chief Faithful 02-05-2014 01:27 PM

I have a Line 6 Variax 300 guitar and love it. I don't have any of their amps.

Omaha 02-05-2014 01:35 PM

Do any of you use a drum simulator for recording? Or do you have some other solution other than knowing a drummer?

headsnap 02-05-2014 02:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Omaha (Post 10415918)
Do any of you use a drum simulator for recording? Or do you have some other solution other than knowing a drummer?

Loops in Logic, program my own in Logic, and ReDrum in Reason.

htismaqe 02-05-2014 04:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Molitoth (Post 10415814)
Yeah, my buddy uses an HD500 and it's awesome.

He runs two 4x10 cabs and For his main distortion tone, he models a diezel VH4 on the left and a Triple Rec on the right.

and to fix the clean into distortion problem, the HD500 can use the expression pedal to blend the clean INTO the distortion tones so you don't get latency on the switch.

On my ZFX software, I absolutely love the tone from the Diezel VH4 model. I use it a lot.

htismaqe 02-05-2014 04:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Omaha (Post 10415918)
Do any of you use a drum simulator for recording? Or do you have some other solution other than knowing a drummer?

I've used Hydrogen and digital drum pad. I can't play drums, hands and feet, so I play both parts on the pads with my hands and then mix them.

htismaqe 02-06-2014 08:42 AM

I'm ordering a Line 6 Spider IV 15W this morning. Wish me luck!

htismaqe 02-06-2014 08:45 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by htismaqe (Post 10416230)
On my ZFX software, I absolutely love the tone from the Diezel VH4 model. I use it a lot.

And I stand corrected. The Diezel model I have in ZFX is the Herbert.

http://www.diezel.ch/en/products/ima...rbert_main.jpg

Lzen 02-06-2014 08:59 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by headsnap (Post 10415802)
I have played around with the Spider amp a ton at GC, I was looking at getting the Spider IV 30... I really like the thing, like the sounds and it is easy to use. I ended up getting a Beheringer V-Ampire head used for $50... I LOVE the thing! I use it for jamming in the basement when the family is home and also for my direct recording. My son has a Fender Mustang modelling amp that is fun to play around with.



After playing the digital thing for 20+ years I am now going to the tube amp and minimal effects route for my live stuff and I am loving it!

I have a Fender Mustang III 100w combo modeling amp. It kicks!
On a related note, I have on old valvestate Rogue Tuberider 100w half stack for which I need to get a multi-effects pedal. Not sure what's good. Been awhile since I've purchased one.

Lzen 02-06-2014 09:00 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by otherstar (Post 10415845)
You actually got my point!


Pfffftttt! Old people. :rolleyes:




























:p

otherstar 02-06-2014 09:30 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lzen (Post 10417111)
Pfffftttt! Old people. :rolleyes:


:p

:shake:

ROFL

htismaqe 02-06-2014 10:14 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by otherstar (Post 10415845)
You actually got my point!

Actually you omitted the bulk of his post.

The part where he says he's using modeling for PRACTICING IN HIS BASEMENT.

Stop hijacking the thread.

headsnap 02-06-2014 04:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by htismaqe (Post 10417167)
Actually you omitted the bulk of his post.

The part where he says he's using modeling for PRACTICING IN HIS BASEMENT and RECORDING.

Stop hijacking the thread.

fyp... :D

htismaqe 02-06-2014 06:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by headsnap (Post 10417730)
fyp... :D

:D

The thing is, we all know that going straight tube and minimal effects is fun. It's especially useful for live gigs, as you mentioned.

I just thought it was pretty clear from the 2nd post on that I wasn't looking for a band rig, I was wanting to fart around in my bedroom practicing scales...

Molitoth 02-06-2014 06:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by htismaqe (Post 10417987)
:D

The thing is, we all know that going straight tube and minimal effects is fun. It's especially useful for live gigs, as you mentioned.

I just thought it was pretty clear from the 2nd post on that I wasn't looking for a band rig, I was wanting to fart around in my bedroom practicing scales...

I think they were mocking me for calling people who only worship vintage tube amps uneducated old farts.

htismaqe 02-07-2014 08:01 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Molitoth (Post 10418034)
I think they were mocking me for calling people who only worship vintage tube amps uneducated old farts.

Well, you didn't say anything until after he said "ditch the computers and get a tube amp" without bothering to consider the ask.

otherstar 02-07-2014 11:55 AM

In all fairness, that post was meant to be funny but it got blown out of proportion (as does much on CP...go figure).

Had I added that I think the modeling amps/pedals produced by Line 6 are the only ones worth having...that whole bit of BS would have been avoided. That's on me.

htismaqe 02-07-2014 12:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by otherstar (Post 10419099)
In all fairness, that post was meant to be funny but it got blown out of proportion (as does much on CP...go figure).

Had I added that I think the modeling amps/pedals produced by Line 6 are the only ones worth having...that whole bit of BS would have been avoided. That's on me.

It's cool man. Just busting your balls.

It's a CP thing - we have so many purists around here, for everything from beer, to babes, to BBQ.

When you come in a "what modeling amp should i buy" and post "**** modeling amps, get an old tube amp and go minimal" you're fitting right in.

:D


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