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scho63 03-21-2013 11:58 AM

Hyundai expert mechanic question
 
I would GREATLY appreciate true and knowledgeable advice, not any random guesses or maybe's.

I blew up my air conditioner compressor and my car was towed this morning. It's a 2002 Hyundai XG350L with 123,966 miles. They are giving me two estimates of $1,250 to get back on the road with no warranty and $1,700 to "do it right" and clean out all the metal shavings and do it the right way.

I had someone tell me to inform them to just disconnect the compressor and put a new belt on knowing I would have no A/C but the car would run.

The auto shop told me it's not possible with my car's setup.

Am I being F**ked up the arse or is that true and they can only complete something more major? The thought of spending $1250-1700 on a 11 yr old car makes me sick.

Any actually advice other than "You are being raped", "Burn your car in an AIDS tree fire", or "You need to shove antifreeze down the throat of the mechanic" is greatly appreciated! :hail:

Bugeater 03-21-2013 12:06 PM

You may be getting raped

Nightfyre 03-21-2013 12:07 PM

Burn your mechanic in an AIDS tree fire.

Sassy Squatch 03-21-2013 12:08 PM

Mehbe get a second opinion from another shop?

Fish 03-21-2013 12:08 PM

I don't even know how to pronounce "Hyundai"....

Sassy Squatch 03-21-2013 12:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Fish (Post 9518295)
I don't even know how to pronounce "Hyundai"....

Hunday?

Frosty 03-21-2013 12:10 PM

I'm curious how you know you "blew up your a/c compressor"? Did it lock up and break the belt?

My son's Impreza runs fine with a dead a/c compressor but I don't know if the Hyundai would too.

Bugeater 03-21-2013 12:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Frosty (Post 9518303)
I'm curious how you know you "blew up your a/c compressor"? Did it lock up and break the belt?

My son's Impreza runs fine with a dead a/c compressor but I don't know if the Hyundai would too.

I'm guessing it seized up, that happened in my old Voyager, it made a hell of a ruckus when it happened. Luckily it had a belt separate from the serpentine so I just cut the belt and it was fine. If it's on the serpentine he's probably ****ed.

With that said, those prices seem inflated, especially an additional $450 to flush the system. The shop he had it towed to is probably banking on him not wanting to hassle with towing it somewhere else.

dilligaf 03-21-2013 12:17 PM

Hyundai rhymes with Sunday.

Frosty 03-21-2013 12:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Bugeater (Post 9518320)
I'm guessing it seized up, that happened in my old Voyager, it made a hell of a ruckus when it happened. Luckily it had a belt separate from the serpentine so I just cut the belt and it was fine. If it's on the serpentine he's probably ****ed.

With that said, those prices seem inflated, especially an additional $450 to flush the system. The shop he had it towed to is probably banking on him not wanting to hassle with towing it somewhere else.

I think so too. I got a quote on the Impreza to replace the compressor and refill the system (with new seals) for $600. For $1600, my kid would get to drive around with the windows down. :D

scho63 03-21-2013 12:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Frosty (Post 9518303)
I'm curious how you know you "blew up your a/c compressor"? Did it lock up and break the belt?

My son's Impreza runs fine with a dead a/c compressor but I don't know if the Hyundai would too.

Tuesday afternoon my car starting smelling like an electrical burning. Yesterday sporadic white awful smelling electrical smoke that at one point poured into the car from under the glove compartment. Last night on the way home all the electronics started to fail; parking break light on, battery light on, tach stopped working, airbag light on, speedometer froze at 62, radio stuttered for a while then died, and when I got home the car would not start.

Jump stated this morning but when driving the fuel injection would work and the car died after stopping at a light.

Also, the A/C was acting funny in the last few weeks

Frosty 03-21-2013 12:21 PM

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Originally Posted by dilligaf (Post 9518325)
Hyundai rhymes with Sunday.

It also rhymes with "lousy resale value".

Frosty 03-21-2013 12:22 PM

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Originally Posted by scho63 (Post 9518333)
Tuesday afternoon my car starting smelling like an electrical burning. Yesterday sporadic white awful smelling electrical smoke that at one point poured into the car from under the glove compartment. Last night on the way home all the electronics started to fail; parking break light on, battery light on, tach stopped working, airbag light on, speedometer froze at 62, radio stuttered for a while then died, and when I got home the car would not start.

Jump stated this morning but when driving the fuel injection would work and the car died after stopping at a light.

Also, the A/C was acting funny in the last few weeks

Sounds like Bug was right- the A/C is on the serpentine belt and locks up.

DC.chief 03-21-2013 12:22 PM

Yeah you can't always bypass an ac compressor. It depends on how the belt is routed.

I'm a Service Writer and basically all I do is put together estiamtes and hunt down parts all day long. What all was on the estimate to "do it right"? I could put together a quick est and see if you're getting screwed. Its Probably Compressor, condensor, drier/accumulator, orifice tube/expansion valve, maybe a liquid line then the evac and recharge and of course labor

Bugeater 03-21-2013 12:24 PM

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Originally Posted by scho63 (Post 9518333)
Tuesday afternoon my car starting smelling like an electrical burning. Yesterday sporadic white awful smelling electrical smoke that at one point poured into the car from under the glove compartment. Last night on the way home all the electronics started to fail; parking break light on, battery light on, tach stopped working, airbag light on, speedometer froze at 62, radio stuttered for a while then died, and when I got home the car would not start.

Jump stated this morning but when driving the fuel injection would work and the car died after stopping at a light.

Also, the A/C was acting funny in the last few weeks

JFC. Sounds like you have more issues than a locked up AC compressor. All that happened when mine locked up was the belt started squealing like crazy.

scho63 03-21-2013 12:24 PM

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Originally Posted by DC.chief (Post 9518337)
Yeah you can't always bypass an ac compressor. It depends on how the belt is routed.

I'm a Service Writer and basically all I do is put together estiamtes and hunt down parts all day long. What all was on the estimate to "do it right"? I could put together a quick est and see if you're getting screwed. Its Probably Compressor, condensor, drier/accumulator, orifice tube/expansion valve, maybe a liquid line then the evac and recharge and of course labor

I appreciate that-let me try and get the written estimate emailed. I see you are in the NoVA area. I'm in Herndon

DC.chief 03-21-2013 12:26 PM

Sounds like the compressor clutch locked up and broke the belt which is why you had all the other issues

DC.chief 03-21-2013 12:27 PM

I'm in Dale city but the shop I work at is in dumfries off 234

dilligaf 03-21-2013 12:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Frosty (Post 9518334)
It also rhymes with "lousy resale value".

True!

Old Dog 03-21-2013 12:28 PM

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Originally Posted by scho63 (Post 9518344)
I appreciate that-let me try and get the written estimate emailed. I see you are in the NoVA area. I'm in Herndon

This is where scho63 figures out DC.chiefs works at the place where he took his car....."Oh, crap I forgot to carry a one....it's actually $2,700 to do it right

Frosty 03-21-2013 12:29 PM

So, now we get to sit back and wait for the inevitable Battle Royale between Extorter and Jason'sAuto.

scho63 03-21-2013 12:30 PM

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Originally Posted by DC.chief (Post 9518352)
I'm in Dale city but the shop I work at is in dumfries off 234

I was down there yesterday-Woodbridge and Springfield

Bugeater 03-21-2013 12:30 PM

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Originally Posted by DC.chief (Post 9518346)
Sounds like the compressor clutch locked up and broke the belt which is why you had all the other issues

I could see that as far as the electrical failures go, but the electrical smoke pouring out of the dash?

scho63 03-21-2013 12:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Bugeater (Post 9518370)
I could see that as far as the electrical failures go, but the electrical smoke pouring out of the dash?

maybe the belt burning if it locked up?

SAUTO 03-21-2013 12:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Frosty (Post 9518360)
So, now we get to sit back and wait for the inevitable Battle Royale between Extorter and Jason'sAuto.

nope i put the doucher on ignore.


i just checked and there isnt a bypass pulley available for that car.

could just be the clutch fried though. ask about just possibly replacing that alone

DC.chief 03-21-2013 12:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Bugeater (Post 9518370)
I could see that as far as the electrical failures go, but the electrical smoke pouring out of the dash?

Yeah the belt snapping wouldn't cause something like that. Possibly multiple things going on there. Perhaps the other estimate has some kind of explanation of that. No belt means no alternator and low voltage which can cause screwy electrical stuff

scho63 03-21-2013 12:35 PM

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Originally Posted by JASONSAUTO (Post 9518385)
nope i put the doucher on ignore.


i just checked and there isnt a bypass pulley available for that car.

could just be the clutch fried though. ask about just possibly replacing that alone

would the clutch failure itself cause all the other problems?

DC.chief 03-21-2013 12:38 PM

Actually I use to deal with a lot of the shops up around your area scho63, mind if I asked who gave you the estimate? might have some insight

SAUTO 03-21-2013 12:39 PM

it would take some work but if you removed the ac compressor i think you could figure out a belt that would just run off of the crank, tensioner and the alt.

somewhat trial and error with figuring out the belt length

scho63 03-21-2013 12:39 PM

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Originally Posted by DC.chief (Post 9518401)
Actually I use to deal with a lot of the shops up around your area scho63, mind if I asked who gave you the estimate? might have some insight

Hogan and Sons

Bugeater 03-21-2013 12:40 PM

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Originally Posted by scho63 (Post 9518384)
maybe the belt burning if it locked up?

There would've been a significant amount of noise associated with that. I suppose it's possible that the system somehow lost the refrigerant and it was getting vented into the interior of the car. The evaporator is commonly located in that area, and if that needs to be replaced that can get really expensive.

scho63 03-21-2013 12:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Bugeater (Post 9518409)
There would've been a significant amount of noise associated with that. I suppose it's possible that the system somehow lost the refrigerant and it was getting vented into the interior of the car. The evaporator is commonly located in that area, and if that needs to be replaced that can get really expensive.

No noise except an occasional brief tapping but that might have been the beggining of the seizing

DC.chief 03-21-2013 12:47 PM

Yeah idk never dealt with them. The estimate seems a little high but I also don't know everything thats on it. For compressor, drier, orifice tube, condensor, evac and recharge and a belt my estimate is about 1350.

DC.chief 03-21-2013 12:48 PM

But you'd still have to get that electrical/smoke issue checked out

Old Dog 03-21-2013 12:49 PM

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Originally Posted by scho63 (Post 9518424)
No noise except an occasional brief tapping but that might have been the beggining of the seizing

That was probably the midget trying to get out of the glovebox.

scho63 03-21-2013 12:52 PM

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Originally Posted by DC.chief (Post 9518435)
But you'd still have to get that electrical/smoke issue checked out

The failure of the air conditioner compressor and seizing will cause those other issues-that little I do know

scho63 03-21-2013 12:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Old Dog (Post 9518437)
That was probably the midget BOY SCOUT trying to get out of the glovebox.

FYP....

Frosty 03-21-2013 12:53 PM

FWIW, private party value on your Hyundai is about $1900. Something to keep in mind.

scho63 03-21-2013 01:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Frosty (Post 9518450)
FWIW, private party value on your Hyundai is about $1900. Something to keep in mind.

You are way off.

It's $3,500-$3,800 and that was just provided by both my insurance company and a car buying firm. About $2,750 for a trade-in or quick sale to a used car deal purchaser

http://www.kbb.com/hyundai/xg350/200...=private-party

Frosty 03-21-2013 01:24 PM

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Originally Posted by scho63 (Post 9518488)
You are way off.

It's $3,500-$3,800 and that was just provided by both my insurance company and a car buying firm. About $2,750 for a trade-in or quick sale to a used car deal purchaser

http://www.kbb.com/hyundai/xg350/200...=private-party

I've found KBB to be pretty inaccurate. However, your other sources lend the numbers some credibility. I was going off of Edmunds, which is based on what stuff in your area actually sells for, not what people ask.

Good luck with your decision.

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