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mikey23545 11-12-2014 09:24 AM

Lockheed says makes breakthrough on fusion energy project
 
Lockheed says makes breakthrough on fusion energy project



(Reuters) - Lockheed Martin Corp said on Wednesday it had made a technological breakthrough in developing a power source based on nuclear fusion, and the first reactors, small enough to fit on the back of a truck, could be ready for use in a decade.

Tom McGuire, who heads the project, said he and a small team had been working on fusion energy at Lockheed's secretive Skunk Works for about four years, but were now going public to find potential partners in industry and government for their work.


Initial work demonstrated the feasibility of building a 100-megawatt reactor measuring seven feet by 10 feet, which could fit on the back of a large truck, and is about 10 times smaller than current reactors, McGuire told reporters.

In a statement, the company, the Pentagon's largest supplier, said it would build and test a compact fusion reactor in less than a year, and build a prototype in five years.

In recent years, Lockheed has gotten increasingly involved in a variety of alternate energy projects, including several ocean energy projects, as it looks to offset a decline in U.S. and European military spending.

Lockheed's work on fusion energy could help in developing new power sources amid increasing global conflicts over energy, and as projections show there will be a 40 percent to 50 percent increase in energy use over the next generation, McGuire said.

If it proves feasible, Lockheed's work would mark a key breakthrough in a field that scientists have long eyed as promising, but which has not yet yielded viable power systems. The effort seeks to harness the energy released during nuclear fusion, when atoms combine into more stable forms.

"We can make a big difference on the energy front," McGuire said, noting Lockheed's 60 years of research on nuclear fusion as a potential energy source that is safer and more efficient than current reactors based on nuclear fission.

Lockheed sees the project as part of a comprehensive approach to solving global energy and climate change problems.

Compact nuclear fusion would produce far less waste than coal-powered plants since it would use deuterium-tritium fuel, which can generate nearly 10 million times more energy than the same amount of fossil fuels, the company said.

Ultra-dense deuterium, an isotope of hydrogen, is found in the earth's oceans, and tritium is made from natural lithium deposits.

It said future reactors could use a different fuel and eliminate radioactive waste completely.

McGuire said the company had several patents pending for the work and was looking for partners in academia, industry and among government laboratories to advance the work.

Lockheed said it had shown it could complete a design, build and test it in as little as a year, which should produce an operational reactor in 10 years, McGuire said. A small reactor could power a U.S. Navy warship, and eliminate the need for other fuel sources that pose logistical challenges.

U.S. submarines and aircraft carriers run on nuclear power, but they have large fission reactors on board that have to be replaced on a regular cycle.

"What makes our project really interesting and feasible is that timeline as a potential solution," McGuire said.

http://www.reuters.com/article/2014/...0I41EM20141015

Dayze 11-12-2014 09:27 AM

off-topic, but will never happen ( in terms of it being applied to cars etc)

the government and oil folks make way to much money to let something like this ever become feasible / common place.

Baby Lee 11-12-2014 09:29 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dayze (Post 11105473)
off-topic, but will never happen ( in terms of it being applied to cars etc)

the government and oil folks make way to much money to let something like this ever become feasible / common place.

Please, don't.

Just don't.

mikey23545 11-12-2014 09:29 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dayze (Post 11105473)
off-topic, but will never happen ( in terms of it being applied to cars etc)

the government and oil folks make way to much money to let something like this ever become feasible / common place.


:facepalm:

Dayze 11-12-2014 09:30 AM

lol

oldandslow 11-12-2014 09:36 AM

If it doesn't happen it will be because the technology is unstable or unfeasible for whatever reason...not because of some conspiracy theory.

BlackHelicopters 11-12-2014 09:41 AM

LMAO

tooge 11-12-2014 09:48 AM

If, or when it happens, the middle east can pretty much go **** themselves. They live in a freaking desert that is only good for one thing, and that is oil. If the need for mass amounts of oil goes away, they are ****ed. Can't wait.

tiptap 11-12-2014 09:50 AM

The Russian tokamak fusion reactor design has always been overkill and the use of high power lazers ditto. My understanding is that someone has done the mathematical dirty work to come up with a magnetic containment field, not as static as tokamak, that is on the same magnitude of strength as the ions fused. Not the overkill that is found in other systems.

I do think there is a oversell of the promise of fusion to meet all of energy needs because the fuel, deuterium and tritium, are not as abundant as a fuel source as is made out since they are highly dispersed. And even Lithium as a source for tritium is limited. You could churned up the entire surface of the moon but would only get enough Lithium isotope needed for maybe 300 years of present energy use.

But in line with other dispersed energy sources like solar, wind, tide, geothermal, geoexchange and water generating you can decrease the adverse effects climate change. Note the arm services and apparently Lockheed understand the science.

Donger 11-12-2014 09:52 AM

If they have shown a net gain, awesome. If they haven't, meh.

Donger 11-12-2014 09:54 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tooge (Post 11105498)
If, or when it happens, the middle east can pretty much go **** themselves. They live in a freaking desert that is only good for one thing, and that is oil. If the need for mass amounts of oil goes away, they are ****ed. Can't wait.

With a massive shift toward electric vehicles, yes, this is accurate.

Dave Lane 11-12-2014 09:55 AM

Too bad they can't to it the old fashioned way H -> He

Talk about a win.

Discuss Thrower 11-12-2014 10:16 AM

Electric Boat and the rest of the Navy has to be salivating over this.

keg in kc 11-12-2014 10:18 AM

Wasn't this news like a month ago? There's some interesting competing technologies in development showing some promise as well.

ptlyon 11-12-2014 10:19 AM

The future of big nuclear is here. Invest now.

Chief_For_Life58 11-12-2014 10:20 AM

"We have run out of ideas how to get this thing to work so we need to recruit better engineers. Anyone please send resume with cover letter to skunk works. Thank you"

Chief_For_Life58 11-12-2014 10:24 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tooge (Post 11105498)
If, or when it happens, the middle east can pretty much go **** themselves. They live in a freaking desert that is only good for one thing, and that is oil. If the need for mass amounts of oil goes away, they are ****ed. Can't wait.

Oil will still be used for cars, plastics, pharmaceuticals....it won't be till a long ass time until someone builds one of these things small enough, efficient enough, and cost efficient enough to fit into your shitty chevy. If they could use it to replace coal electrical power plants tho that would be awesome

Gonzo 11-12-2014 10:40 AM

This is what causes the apocalypse. Bank on it. Fusion creates zombies, I guarantee it.

Baby Lee 11-12-2014 10:48 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by keg in kc (Post 11105558)
Wasn't this news like a month ago? There's some interesting competing technologies in development showing some promise as well.

Yes, this is pretty much the same story that first emerged 2-3 weeks ago. Sorry for not prioritizing repost police duties.

But it remains a theoretical work in progress. They are presently fabricating a machine they think will achieve their objectives, but have not replicated their projected results to date, so far as I know.

DaneMcCloud 11-12-2014 10:52 AM

Whether or not fusion becomes the world's #1 energy resource, it should help to curb the use of fossil fuels and our usage of Middle Eastern oil.

I call that a Win-Win.

Rukdafaidas 11-12-2014 10:53 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dayze (Post 11105473)
off-topic, but will never happen ( in terms of it being applied to cars etc)

the government and oil folks make way to much money to let something like this ever become feasible / common place.

Yeah, plus I don't know if 100 mega watts would be enough for my pickup.

Baby Lee 11-12-2014 10:54 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud (Post 11105665)
Whether or not fusion becomes the world's #1 energy resource, it should help to curb the use of fossil fuels and our usage of Middle Eastern oil.

I call that a Win-Win.

It's potential hasn't been in question since we gained understanding of what happens in the Sun. It's practicality remains in question yet.

ptlyon 11-12-2014 10:54 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rukdafaidas (Post 11105667)
Yeah, plus I don't know if 100 mega watts would be enough for my pickup.

That's not loud enough

BigRedChief 11-12-2014 11:02 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Baby Lee (Post 11105656)
Yes, this is pretty much the same story that first emerged 2-3 weeks ago. Sorry for not prioritizing repost police duties.

But it remains a theoretical work in progress. They are presently fabricating a machine they think will achieve their objectives, but have not replicated their projected results to date, so far as I know.

Yes, others are as close on this research.

My son is studying quanta. I've picked up a little from osmosis.

Quantum energy will be the final energy source. Quanta exists in every atom. All matter is made of atoms. If we can harness these quanta, the possibilities are unlimited.Teleportation, warp drive, Power for everything.

The easiest, non tech, explanation for quanta's I could find on a web search..................

Quantum means a very small speck of something, in this case, an elemental unit of energy. It turns out that quanta (several small specks of energy) exist in the background of all atoms and show themselves even at the coldest of temperatures, zero degrees Kelvin (or absolute zero) the lowest of all possible energy states.

This is demonstrated when all matter has been removed and nothing is left to make any motion, in essence, nothing should move. And yet, these infinitesimally small packets of energy exist, sometimes as particles and sometimes as waves. And this energy fills the space or void.

Now, where do you and I come in? We, and everything around us is made up of atoms. If the foundation of all atoms is this energy field, then we have this energy within us. Through and through. Everywhere. In fact, there is no beginning or end to it, where one atom starts and another stops. The energy is continuous.

And it turns out that this energy, when it moves in waves, has no boundaries, not in space, and not in time. So, you can consider yourself tethered, if you will, by this energy field in the background of every atom in your body, to everything that exists, has existed and will exist.

You really have no physical boundary when it comes to this energy field. And in fact, you are entangled energetically to everything else, to everyone else, in the physical world we see, and the non-physical world we don’t see, as in our consciousness, or more simply, our thoughts.

Lzen 11-12-2014 11:49 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chief_For_Life58 (Post 11105574)
Oil will still be used for cars, plastics, pharmaceuticals....it won't be till a long ass time until someone builds one of these things small enough, efficient enough, and cost efficient enough to fit into your shitty chevy. If they could use it to replace coal electrical power plants tho that would be awesome

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Chief_For_Life58 11-12-2014 12:01 PM

Where were going we don't need roads

Rausch 11-12-2014 12:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BigRedChief (Post 11105685)
Yes, others are as close on this research.

My son is studying quanta. I've picked up a little from osmosis.

Quantum energy will be the final energy source. Quanta exists in every atom. All matter is made of atoms. If we can harness these quanta, the possibilities are unlimited.Teleportation, warp drive, Power for everything.

The easiest, non tech, explanation for quanta's I could find on a web search..................

Quantum means a very small speck of something, in this case, an elemental unit of energy. It turns out that quanta (several small specks of energy) exist in the background of all atoms and show themselves even at the coldest of temperatures, zero degrees Kelvin (or absolute zero) the lowest of all possible energy states.

This is demonstrated when all matter has been removed and nothing is left to make any motion, in essence, nothing should move. And yet, these infinitesimally small packets of energy exist, sometimes as particles and sometimes as waves. And this energy fills the space or void.

Now, where do you and I come in? We, and everything around us is made up of atoms. If the foundation of all atoms is this energy field, then we have this energy within us. Through and through. Everywhere. In fact, there is no beginning or end to it, where one atom starts and another stops. The energy is continuous.

And it turns out that this energy, when it moves in waves, has no boundaries, not in space, and not in time. So, you can consider yourself tethered, if you will, by this energy field in the background of every atom in your body, to everything that exists, has existed and will exist.

You really have no physical boundary when it comes to this energy field. And in fact, you are entangled energetically to everything else, to everyone else, in the physical world we see, and the non-physical world we don’t see, as in our consciousness, or more simply, our thoughts.

Best used as an information source - not an energy source...

Mr. Laz 11-12-2014 12:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chief_For_Life58 (Post 11105574)
Oil will still be used for cars, plastics, pharmaceuticals....it won't be till a long ass time until someone builds one of these things small enough, efficient enough, and cost efficient enough to fit into your shitty chevy. If they could use it to replace coal electrical power plants tho that would be awesome

a fusion powered car ... agreed.

using fusion to produce massive amounts of cheap electricity for electric cars could come fairly quickly

DaneMcCloud 11-12-2014 12:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Baby Lee (Post 11105672)
It's potential hasn't been in question since we gained understanding of what happens in the Sun. It's practicality remains in question yet.

But as a scientist, don't you believe that's an issue more to do with funding and proper research?

I think I've mentioned this before but I know a few very high level engineers that have built power plants worldwide that have both said that had the proper resources been allocated to solve the cold fusion issue, it would have been implemented 20 years ago.

alpha_omega 11-12-2014 12:16 PM

I bet there are some Chinese operatives who would like to work at Lockheed.

'Hamas' Jenkins 11-12-2014 12:24 PM

Odds of Donger funding a suicide bomber to take out Lockheed are now off the board.

Donger 11-12-2014 12:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins (Post 11105852)
Odds of Donger funding a suicide bomber to take out Lockheed are now off the board.

I have many friends at Lockheed. So no.

J Diddy 11-12-2014 01:14 PM

Each one of us is carrying an unlicensed nuclear accelerator in his trunk.

ptlyon 11-12-2014 01:17 PM

They will take my nuclear accelerator when they pry my cold, dead hands from around it

J Diddy 11-12-2014 01:25 PM

Just as in the urinals in Arrowhead, never cross the streams.

Jimmya 11-12-2014 01:36 PM

Never cross the streams....that is the truth

BigRichard 11-12-2014 01:40 PM

But will it be able to produce 1.21 gigawatts?

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Ming the Merciless 11-12-2014 01:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dave Lane (Post 11105512)
Too bad they can't to it the old fashioned way H -> He

Talk about a win.

type II civilization?

perhaps the great filter will destroy us b4 this can happen?

D000000M


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