LMAO

Yeah, because every NFL rookie QB can walk onto a shitty team and throw for 3,800+ yards.

You're funny, Dude.

Rivers was awful last year. Purely awful.

Yup.

You see, I view the negativity as the overreaction, not the benefit of doubt.

We overpaid? OK, valid argument. But then a lot of those bemoaning this aspect are the same ones who demand we identify who we think is the best QB and absolutely pick him #1, even if he's just the least stinky pile of shit of all the piles of shit eligible. If that's not 'overpaying' I don't know what is.

He's just a game manager? Possibly, maybe even probably. But minds can still differ whether that can translate to overall team success. If the coaches can get him to where he converts 3rd downs with regularity, with our running game, we can run an effective ball control eat the clock offense, shortening the game and keeping our D fresh.

He's Cassel 2.0 and this regime has already ruined our team further? That's just CP PTSD. People cite raw numbers, but we know statistics often fail to tell the true story. Not the least of which is Cassel getting the vast bulk of his numbers either against shit opposition or in garbage time while losing badly to halfway decent teams. No one if offering up gifs of Smith doing stupid shit like the metric shit ton of gifs that exist on Cassel doing mind blowingly stupid shit.

Reid has had far too much success with QBs and is far to excited about Smith for me to to automatically pessimistic so far ahead of the team even taking the field.

Smith's play over the last 2 years is superior to any season Cassel had including his BS 27-7 season. Chiefs had amongst the worst QB play of All Time last year. He's a pretty noticeable upgrade. The problem is will it be enough to go against the elites?

Really the success Andy Reid had was tied with Donovan McNabb who he took with the second over all pick in that years draft. That is the guy who got them in the Super Bowl. It was down hill after that. He hasn't had any great success with retreads. The Eagles never found their next Donovan McNabb. When I say retread I am referring to Mike Vick.

The most relevant factor relative to Donovan McNabb is that Andy Reid identified him and coached him, not that he was the 2nd pick overall. Do you think if the same McNabb had somehow fallen to the Eagles in the 2nd round, he would have been a vastly different QB just by virtue of how long he waited to hear his name on draft day?

This year, Andy Reid identified Alex Smith as the best possible choice among all the available QB options for his system, apparently. Just like he did with McNabb. That makes Alex Smith more like Donovan McNabb in the most important respect than Geno Smith will be if Jacksonville takes him with 1.2.

Make sure you include postseason yards before you bet anything.
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Achieving Cassel's level of suck is indeed a very hard thing to do. That said, if the Chiefs were jumbo-jet. I have SUPREME confindence in Smith's pedigree and abilities to crash that ****er right in to the Potomac.
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Well, Cam Newton did it, and I think Geno is a better passer.

It just depends what you think of Geno.

Cam Newton did it because defenses had to worry about him running...

is Geno going to run? I highly doubt it. He could, but that's not his nature.

I'd love to get Geno and sit him at QB3 for a year.

Anyway we're not talking about 4k.

Alex Smith will have less than 3200 yards passing here...easy...Geno will surpass that if he's a day 1 starter.

What is Cam's 40 time?

Mr pink any news in the Albert front?

nevermind, found it. 4.58 compared to Geno's 4.78

Geno 4.78?
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Geno ran a 4.59 at the combine this year.

Thanks for playing...

I see a 4.56.
A 4.59
A 4.68 highest
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Yeah I know, iphone got me.

I was trying to make a point that they are a lot alike speed wise.

What I feel will end up being the costly missed opportunities this offseason:

1) drafting Geno at 1
2) Signing Matt Moore to be qb2
3) retaining Glenn Dorsey and playing him how the 49ers intend to...as a one gap nose
4) Adding another pass rusher in FA. Barwin, Osi, Elvis, Seymour
5) keeping our two premium draft picks that got us Alex Smith.

I hope I'm wrong, but I see these as game changers.

Bookmark this ****er

He ran a 4.56 before they made it an official 4.59.

lol, do you realize what you are saying? If alex smith throws for less that 3200 yards, you guys are winning games. Hence, you are ahead, and dont have to rely on alex smith to come back again and again. Or do you think that Andy Reid if you get down by 14 is just going to say, "oh, shucks, well we gave it a great try. we will try to go get them next week! Just keep handing that ball off Alex!"

I know that you are a stupid bastard with your head way up your ass....

But even YOU should realize 10 of the 12 playoff teams exceeded 3200 yards passing last year.

EVEN THE 49ERS (thanks Colin)

Dumbass.

You're out of your mind if you don't think Reid's pass happy offense isn't exceeding 3200 yards passing.

So, you dont believe you are a playoff team with alex smith? Listen. THis is the bottom line. If you ARENT a playoff team, alex smith will go well past 3200 yards. YOu can call me whatever you want. YOu dont think that alex smith will go over 3200 yards. And i say that if he doesnt, you will make the playoffs. By the way.

IN 2011 did alex smith throw for 3200 yards? Nope, and yet, they made the playoffs.

That hurts dont it.....

you realize he has never gone well past 3200 in a season before, in 7 year , right?

ahhh, one more fun one for you Go to hell.

alex smith during the regular season.

218 passes attempted 153 completions, 13 tds. more than colins 10, and only

77 less yards. Tell me again how this is thanks soley to colin?

lol. You dont know shit about alex smith. You constantly use stats from pre harbaugh to explain that why with shitty coaching, alex smith was shitty. Well what about with Good coaching? He was decent.

Do you have good coaching now? Yes, so history says, that alex smith will be fine.

I really dont care what you think, but when you go off attacking me, lol, for stating the obvious, i cant help but embarrass you with facts.

This will be Alex Smiths 9th year.

he missed one season, so hes played 7

well, thats kind of easy to explain actually.

One, Mike Nolan likes to run the ball, fact.

Mike singletary loves to run the ball, fact.

jim harbaugh loves to run the ball, fact.

Andy reid will be the first pass first coach alex has ever had.

HEAD COACH!!!!! so before you guys give me mike mccarthy, and mike martz, remember, alex smith didnt play for martz, and mike mccarthy was under the thumb of mike nolan.

I have NO idea how alex smith is going to do when he is asked to pass more than he is comfortable. My first thought, is a natural disaster. But to assume that a guy cant throw for over 3200 yards, when he was on pace to easily pass that this year, and barely missed it in 2011, is a bit much.

he is consistently under 199 ypg


do the math

guess why every coach loved to run with a junk qb?

guess reid will love to run in 2013?

is that the 2 draft pick question......

Alex Smith is honestly the last person on the earth that I would think a guy like Andy Reid would want.......

Apparently, he sees, and knows something that you and I have completely missed.

Axl, the crying sig totally gives you away, all of that bitterness needed an outlet, didn't it Bob... but this new, much more understated style suits you so much better, its a lot easier to make a point when you're not screaming to yourself.

Keep getting your ideas heard without the bombast or noise, that's the real trick.

Or he just signed a mediocre Qb stop gap game manager because there weren't any other good options for2013

Silly. He just said hey on that trade to change his stripes.

Garrard was available, other options at qb were available including Matt Cassel (despite the hate, Reid would make Cassel look good), Garrard and cheaper trade options.

Face it. He legitimately likes Alex despite how that makes you feel.

Every one of those coaches loves to run regardless of who the QB is. Hell, Singletary had Jimmy Raye as OC. You remember him, the king of run/run/pass/punt football?

Smith is Matt Cassel and Brodie Croyle rolled into one. Alex never stays healthy long enough for bad Croyssel to get fully exposed. The best we can hope for is that Chase Daniel is a mix of Gannon and Thigpen. Ten games a season is A Smith's high end average.

Under Reid? I seriously doubt he changes his entire philosophy. Alex will certainly be throwing it more than he did in Frisco.

They traded for Alex because every scout for every franchise knows that the QB's in this class are weak weak weak. Yes Geno can go #1 or in the top 10, put him in anyother class Im not sure he would have gotten drafted ahead of Ponder, Locker or Gabbert. He is about the same. The Chiefs are smart, they will win games also next years QB class is gonna be off the charts. Teddy Bridgewater and Taj Boyd make Geno look like Akili Smith. You have David Fales from SJS, Aaaron Murry georgia, Logan Thomas, Geno Smith wouldnt get drafted before any of these guys. Why reach, when you can wait, build a team and then get your QB of the future.

I keep reading 3200 yrds, 3200 yrds, STATS ARE FOR LOSERS!! Who cares if smith does or doesnt throw for 3200. If your record is 10-6 or 11-5 or better and make the playoffs are ya'll gonna moan because he didnt do it with more passing yards. I feel to many fans have been bottom dwelling for to long and cant quite find their way out of the gutter. Chiefs have been losing so long its like you say " well at least our guy threw for 300 yrds today or at least he got to 4000 yrds passing," on a 2-14 team or 6-10. So Smith throws for 199, the Chiefs win, he manages the game or whatever you want to say. WINS WINS WINS, there is and never will be anything else.

Must be a Alice fan; you dont know QB's worth a ****.
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If Alex Smith never exceeds 3,200 yards passing here, the Chiefs will never win a playoff game.

says the idiot with geno smith in his avatar. You are the expert on qbs apparently.......

Shrugs, there is a chance if he throws for 4000, you will never win a playoff game. So what the hells the difference. the last two years the 49ers as a team threw for right around that, in 2011, and 2012, and played in the nfccg, and the super bowl. But, go ahead nostradumbass, tell us again how only throwing for 4000k + wins the super bowl. pssstttt. joe flacco threw for 3800 yards and won the super bowl.......

I'm not sorry if you are too ****ing reeruned and lip-locked to Alice's bruised vagina to understand that Geno is the better man, but you soon will.
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Answer: scouts and GMs are coming to realize after his pro day that Geno is better than they credited.

The signing of Alex Smith means we go 8-8 this season. That could easily translate into a pick somewhere between 15-20 in next year's draft.

Teddy and Taj will be picked #1 and #2 by the teams holding those picks (who finished that low because they had suckage at QB). Even if one were silly enough to trade, they would not trade down with a team holding the #16 pick. They would trade down with someone have a top 5 pick. So, we have no chance.

You, obviously, have been a Chiefs fan for less than 40 years. This is why we never get a QB. When a good one comes, we can't (or are unwilling to) pay the price to move up. When we do get the #1 pick and can select a QB who is a top 10 talent by anyone in the know now, we decide to pass, kling to a below average QB that will ensure nothing but that we will pick between #15-20 every year so that we cannot get a premier QB. Instead, we will be forced to take chances on Brodie Croyles and Tyler Thigpens in later rounds, in hopes that one turns out to be Russell Wilson.

No thanks.

If Alex Smith hits 3,800 yards passing I'll be pleasantly surprised.

The fact of the matter is he has never shown the ability to do that.

Geno Smith who i like, could not carry Teddy Bridgewater or Taj Boyd's jock strap on the field. Or 3 of the other QBs coming out next year. They are far superior QB's. Chiefs organization making all the right moves, there is a reason Geno Smith had to play at West Virginia and didnt get offers from the likes of all the other big schools besides florida state and alabama. He knew he wouldnt beat out Aj Mcarons or even EJ manuel. Be happy you are not starting a rookie QB. Or are you just so used to this by now that its all you know. You must be a Jamarcus Russell fan, come on you can say it. Russell, Akili Smith, Blaine Gabbert, Jake Locker, GENO SMITH. No difference. Hell Pat White was better than Geno.

As a fan for over 40 years, I still am not swayed. I have a different opinion than you on your interpretation of the facts.

[QUOTE=KCDC;9511562]Answer: scouts and GMs are coming to realize after his pro day that Geno is better than they credited.

The signing of Alex Smith means we go 8-8 this season. That could easily translate into a pick somewhere between 15-20 in next year's draft.

Teddy and Taj will be picked #1 and #2 by the teams holding those picks (who finished that low because they had suckage at QB). Even if one were silly enough to trade, they would not trade down with a team holding the #16 pick. They would trade down with someone have a top 5 pick. So, we have no chance.

You, obviously, have been a Chiefs fan for less than 40 years. This is why we never get a QB. When a good one comes, we can't (or are unwilling to) pay the price to move up. When we do get the #1 pick and can select a QB who is a top 10 talent by anyone in the know now, we decide to pass, kling to a below average QB that will ensure nothing but that we will pick between #15-20 every year so that we cannot get a premier QB. Instead, we will be forced to take chances on Brodie Croyles and Tyler Thigpens in later rounds, in hopes that one turns out to be Russell Wilson.

No thanks.[/QUO

You cant be serious, after Alex Smith pro day scouts and GM's compared it to the most perfect pro day anyone has ever seen. Troy Aikman 89'. Which is exactly why he went #1. Pro days dont have shit to do with it. Scouts and Gm's watch tape, tape, tape. Its about what you do in game situations, and Geno was great at the beginning, then he was just an avg qb on a 7-6 team. Nothing special which is what you guys are used to, so draft him i guess

He's going to blow up this year. MVP numbers. The talent, the potential, the skills, the intelligence. It's all there.

Most Chiefs fans here are from Missouri I take it? Are ya'll really gonna tell me that Geno Smith is better than Blaine Gabbert? This guy had every tool. 6'5 240lbs an can run! You all saw him play at Missouri. Geno is not Blaine

Interpretation doesn't mean anything.

For whatever reason, this franchise has convinced itself that drafting a QB must only be done when the time, place, situation, players, coaching staff, existing personnel, alignment of the Earth with Saturn, and mood is EXACTLY right.

Carl was a ****head who probably would have traded away the #1 overall pick in 2012. He hated drafting and starting rookie QBs that goddamned much. Pioli was an ego-maniacal jackass who wanted all the great QBs to come to him... HE didn't want to have to risk more than he had to in order to unseat his precious Matty.

So far the draft reports coming out are that there ARE, in fact, many coaches interested in Geno Smith as a potential franchise QB. He appears to be "good enough" for our QB situation (or lack thereof). We even hired a self-proclaimed QB guru as head coach.

Is the next coach/GM we hire going to do the exact same ****ing thing?

Geno Smith actually has a live and accurate arm capable of completing any NFL throw. Gabbert was a skittish and raw QB who needed lots of coaching and time on the bench, which he never got in Jacksonville.

If it's mandated by Clark Hunt, the answer is yes.

bwahahahahahahaha no.
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You must be crazy to say Gabbert doesnt have a live arm, why in the world do you think he shot up draft boards and went so high? Dont forget he played in the same gimmikie offense Gabbert did. Accuracy is questionable. Again, i go back to pedigree. There is a reason he wasnt highly recruited and why he didnt take the scholarships to Flordia State or Alabama. You may be a Chiefs fan, but people who follow high school football all knew about Geno Smith and many were shocked he took a scholarship to West Virginia. Not many schools thought much of him. He didnt think much of himself to beat out Aj or Ej

Except this tiny little school called Alabama.

They're not very well known.

And he chose not to go there, Why? Aj Mcarons!! Which is why he settled for WV , which is why he is part of the weakest QB draft in years.

QB's choose to go where they get playing time. WV isnt exactly a QB factory

Hey this is just my opinion on Geno, I am not playing Devil advocate. I just dont see what all the Chiefs fans see. I see a guy who doesnt scramble very well, played in a gimmick offense. Didnt do anything special to make his team really very good. ex 7-6. Yes he ran the spread pretty well, but he doesnt take a snap from center, he is barely 6'2, his accuracy is questionable until he starts playing in a pro=style offense. no way would i risk the top pick for him. I think you can get 10 guys like geno in the 2-5 round

If any scout or GM is swayed just because of a pro day where a qb is throwing uncovered scripted routes that he prepared for with his receivers, with no pass rush they should not be GM's or scouts. A pro day for a qb is pretty much them just playing catch, the truth is all on film, the only reason you're hearing more about him now is because the draft is coming up and he's probably the most high profile player just because he's a qb, and surely some desperate franchise like a Jacksonville, Buffalo, or Oakland will reach for him. That doesn't change the fact that he's a Ponder, Gabbert, Locker, etc.

Would anyone pick Alice number one overall? Answer: no.
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Except they did...

And one of those #5 picks is now with the 49ers :D

Would they today, even if he were fresh out of college? Answer: No.
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Smith was never a Manning/Luck/RG3 type prospect but he would definitely be the top qb in this year's draft class if he were fresh out of college.

The Alex Smith fanboys would pick him, strip him down, and commence the sword fight.

To be absolutely fair someone already did
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I would say him and Geno would be neck and neck right out of college
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Be honest...

You want in on it don't you?
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:drool:

Why not? In this draft this year? Playing it that way, you wouldnt know that without a perfect scenario he couldnt succeed. He did nothing in college to show he couldnt play. Thats hateristic non sense.

yeah, hey would........Guess who andy would want?

Great, now you are gonna get sour pickled willy in here slobbering all over Geno and the thought that he could sword fight with his man crush.....