I always found Armstrong's behavior interesting...never gave interviews and his one public speaking appearance, he gives a bizarrely cryptic speech. Gus Grissom...well I mean that's an entirely different story lol.

I absolutely LOVE the entire moon landing (and other moon stories) fake/not faked story and conspiracies...whether there's credence to any of it on either story. Just so damn interesting to me.

Armstrong's entire personality was said to have polar shifted after the mission. Theory being that something big happened up there, out of the eyes of the world.

Of course he might just be pissed that the only reason he was the first man on the moon was so that he could take pictures of Buzz Aldrin, and then get out of the way so Buzz could do whatever Masonic skullduggery he was up to.

Adrenaline rush? Does seem odd.

I've always wondered, and I know this might sound really kooky, if they really did encounter something up on the moon. I know there's been a lot of rumors and theories about the dark side of the moon stuff and missing/deleted footage, pictures, etc.

We were around 16000 and it was a few hundred feet above us

I would say 200 ft across

1 light at the nose and then lights down each of the wings or body of the aircraft spaced 20 to 30 ft apart and we're a light green in color

It didn't have any blades or jets that I could see and it was pretty much hovering above us and slowly moving forward then it was just gone

I would say the Col. had a hand in this Tom foolery

Anyone else listen to Darkness Radio...?

Probably my favorite paranormal podcast around...variety of topics and it's almost always super interesting.

Love Dave Schrader too, one of my fav. personalities in the paranormal field...has a very open mind but is also a skeptic on a lot of things.

The footage in there is interesting.

Yeah, I do. Same problem there that I have with coast to coast, that being they often cover new agey stuff I have zero interest in, but I always catch true crime Tuesdays, the Friday show and then usually one or two other shows, as long as it's not talking about past life, nde, astrology or numerology, consciousness, that kind of stuff.

Art Bell's new show has been good, too.

Check out the Apollo 11 pic in this article.

Me too. I would almost bet that there is something happening on the moon. Why would we build a floating space station instead of a moon base? And why are they thinking about sending people to Mars to try and habitats when the moon is closest and would seemingly be an easier pose to put people on?

What article?

Do you realize how much farther away the moon is compared to where the ISSS orbits?

http://i61.tinypic.com/29bnaq8.jpg

The ISSS orbits at about 340km away from Earth.

The moon on the other hand, orbits at 384,000km away from Earth.

You could fit every single planet in our solar system in the space between the Earth and the moon.

http://i62.tinypic.com/nch6zd.jpg

It would be exponentially more costly to try to deliver supplies that far. Also, they'd have to develop some sort of large cargo craft capable of landing, unloading the cargo, and then taking back off. The space shuttle was easy because it can just open it's bay doors while in orbit and unload the pieces.

Mars actually has somewhat of an atmosphere. The moon has none. Also, we've already put people on the moon. It's time for the next step.

As I recall, NASA recently published a study indicating that a return mission to the moon would cost 10% of what they previously projected, roughly ten billion dollars, and would fit within their current budgetary restrictions. So we may be back on the moon sooner than later. Other nations are expected to head there as well. Which may or may not explain our newfound willingness to go.

Helium 3

Art Bell's show from last Wednesday was about TWA flight 800, one of the first major conspiracies of my adult life - I always believed it was shot down by friendly fire and to this day I swear that initial coverage of the event featured multiple witnesses talking about missiles, but after the first few hours the cover up was in place and we eventually got the 'official' story. Fast forward to Wednesday and his guests lay out basically exactly what I've always believed as well as release video for the first time that was acquired from the FBI via FOIA in April that purportedly shows a missile as well as the aftermath of the plane's destruction (but not the moment of impact). It's about what you'd expect from an amateur video shot almost 20 years ago that was initially focused on the moon, but if it's what it's said to be (official flight 800 case file video from the FBI) it could be a big deal.

Video and stills:http://artbell.com/wed-aug-19-jim-sanders-bill-birnes/


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Knowing how many influential people in American history had ties to Crowley is super ****ing creepy.

Quick question. Isn't the top 2/3 of a triangle, a triangle? I'm confused.

Shows how much I know about space. Not much, guess I better stil to licking coochie!!

You ain't shittin'

Everything about Crowley is downright scary.

This is the picture he drew of "Lam" the entity that he contacted.
What does this thing look like to you.
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Have you read up on Jack Parsons?
Another scary MFer with ties to the government and area 51.

peyton manning

LMAO

Ah dammit. Having tech difficulties.

Was going to post trailer for Missing 411. Strange disappeances in our national parks. Will try again later...

Need to get those books and read them....super, super intrigued by Paulides' work.

:doh!: Sorry. I'll post it later

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I bet his long alien fingers are numb at the tips of them.

RUSSIAN scientists are said to be baffled by the discovery of a small "alien creature" on the banks of a river near a major nuclear power plant.
Local news reports said the corpse with a "mysterious skull" was found by two residents next to the River Kovashi, on Sunday, in the Russian town of Sosnovy Bor, a town built in 1958 to serve the Leningrad Nuclear Power Plant.

It is said that the locals, who spotted it by chance, initially believed it could be a mutant chicken embroyo that had been discarded.

However, local experts have been so far unable to say what it is.

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... And now we're ****ed!!

Well that's the 2nd one. Dr Steven Greer has one just like it but it's not the same one. Wow.

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Athletes and Actors too. It's super creepy.

Chilean Navy releases footage of UFO encounter in 2014, watch it spray an unknown chemical into the air

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http://www.express.co.uk/news/weird/...FO-ocean-CEFAA

What the hell? Whatever it is that craft is spraying it doesn't seem to disperse, but it does get darker on the radar. And that craft seems to be hovering, whatever it is. Crazy.

Knowing our luck, it was nothing more than aliens dumping out their toilets, lol.

Why wouldn't they just ****ing dump on it?

The aliens, or the Chilean Navy?

this cracked me up. yep....earth...the galaxy's toilet.
that sounds just about right. ROFL

http://www.chiefsplanet.com/BB/pictu...pictureid=1825

if there are aliens.. i don't think they are from our diminsion

Rob, I am inclined to agree... they're ethereal entities able to manifest physically in our plane IMO

Parallel universe/s has long been accepted theory

http://www.space.com/32728-parallel-universes.html

http://www.techtimes.com/articles/10...l-universe.htm

We've been "visited" from day 1, I feel bad for those unable to accept the supernatural nature of the world we inhabit... they're missing out on an incredible level of excitement and wonder

We have such a limited.. LIMITED knowledge of the universe.. and all that encompasses it.

I simply can't agree things are just so black and white as some people tend to believe. Just look at music.. i feel that reaches the soul in multiple platforms of our being.. trying my best not to sound like a hippie lol. But this subject fascinates me.

Must have been some truth to that video. It's gone now. lol

anyone see that video? sounds interesting

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This is a good one.

I love the container ship thingy at the end shooting the Spheres out. Crazy footage from two different cameras. Around 47:45

Hell, there's so much footage of these, I call them drones, extraterrestrial Drones, only the blindest of the blind can deny it.

There are 1 or 2 BS vids in there but the rest are legit, and many of them are filmed by astronauts or militarty and airline personnel, on personal recording devices.
These things see our every move and the ones we do catch on film are the ones that aren't cloaked.
There are more than likely 1000's of them.

Couldnt agree more, Rob... what scientists think they know now will be laughed at in a couple hundred years just the same our scientists laugh at flat earth theory now

Chile isnt a backwards nation, they couldnt explain what was plainly visible on their cameras... and neither could an independent scientific panel over the course of a two year investigation

To use a term popular in DC right now... its Occams Razor

The list of evidence is truly monumental, from US astronauts to Canadian Defense Minister Paul Helyer to the entire defense complex of Belgium... there ARE extremely credible people out there willing to tell the truth

We live in a mysterious and wonderous world

The reason they don't tell us is so obvious too.

The alternative energy source would basically smash the elites hold on major world markets.

Here's a link to an article "debunking" the Chilean UFO. Seems legit, but who knows.
http://mysteriousuniverse.org/2017/0...n-ufo-footage/

Paul Hellyer is one of the worst names you could bring up. Might as well list Steven Greer if you're going for the least credible individuals in the conspiracy realm.

The most interesting thing for me right now is all the talk about the Antarctic and Lake Vostok.

You should read Supernatural by Graham Hancock.

You've said that before and I'll never understand why, the fact is, he was the defense minister of an advanced first world nation that is a close US ally... and I've never seen a single thing on him that would discredit anything he says

Greer never held the post of defense minister of major nation, huge difference

Had to google it for some info, sounds very interesting

Hellyer has never provided a shred of evidence for anything and absolutely nothing he has said has been confirmed by any credible 3rd party. Until that changes he's nothing more than a crazy old man spinning stories.

This is one of the problems with this entire area of interest: too much anecdotal 'evidence' is taken on faith by believers. It's basically just another type of religious belief. It's confirmation bias in a lot of cases.

In my opinion people need to be skeptical. Not debunk, just be skeptical. A lot of unexplained or unusual things happen in this world. There's zero doubt about that. And those things need to be studied from a neutral point of view, with an emphasis clearly and solidly placed on recordable (and if possible repeatable) events over testimony. The days of self-appointed 'researchers' with zero forensic or psychological training traveling around collecting testimony from eye witnesses needs to be relegated primarily to the realm of entertainment, as do these 'death bed confessions' and real, actual study of these varied phenomena by trained professionals needs to take place.

If that doesn't happen, this field is just going to die. It's already happening. Most of your die hard interest comes from older folks, 60s and above. Millennials don't have much interest. It needs to be legitimized before the whole thing fades away. Although maybe that wouldn't be a bad thing, since the baby boomers and their kids are the ones responsible for the science fiction over science approach of the last 30 years.

And that's what Hellyer is: science fiction.

It's okay to be entertained by it. I actually find all his tall white money mafia stuff wildly entertaining. But it makes zero sense to actually believe in the stories he spins when they can't be substantiated in any way. I guess that outlines another issue with the paranormal: some folks will believe literally anything, and seem entirely unable to differentiate between verifiable truth and absolute fiction.

I'm glad to see some more recent events like the study of the not-Roswell slides, the homeland security ufo video and now the Chilean ufo video. Maybe the answers provided in these cases aren't what people want, but that's the way this field needs to work, so when we do have solid proof (note I say when and not if) it can go mainstream without quite as much ridicule as things like, for interest, Hellyer's comments.

What evidence do you want him to provide, keg... was he supposed to smuggle classified documents and pictures etc out of the ministry and release them to the media?

That would be awfully stupid of him

Tons of qualified researchers back up pretty much everything he has ever said, but whatever we'll just have to disagree here

I dont feel much like arguing today

On a different note, what are you seeing that intrigues you about Antarctica and Vostok?

Tons of qualified researchers my ass.

But fine, let Hellyer go. What about the rest of what I had to say, about the field in general?

Go with what you know, doesnt matter to me

So what about Antarctica and Vostok... what are you seeing on that?

The whole Vostok biome is interesting to me. It's way closer to the Savage Lands or a lost world than I ever thought we'd find. And there's a shit ton of other anomalies down Antarctic way.

I'm curious to know why there's been so much official interest there. IIRC John Kerry was actually there around election time and not here, which seems odd. The Russian orthodox equivalent to the pope visited in the last year. There's rumors that Obama took a quiet side trip during his Argentina trip last year. Buzz Aldrin was even down their recently.

Maybe no fire but seems like a strange amount of smoke. Maybe something's been found under the ice? Lost civilization? Weird creatures? Who knows. Maybe nothing.

It's worth looking up...

I havent spent any time looking into this stuff for a while, but everything you're saying here sounds extremely interesting... I'll be checking it out today

Lots of strange info about Lake Vostok floating around, very interesting...

Huge magnetic anomalies not caused by the earth itself

Unknown metallic masses buried under the ice

NSA canceling space mapping missions of the area due to "environmental concerns"

Rumors of found technology being confiscated from JPL by the NSA

Creature 46b, now thats a wild thought but not so unbelievable at all... it doesnt take much stretch of the imagination to envision an extremely unique creature in a super oxygenated environment thats been closed off from the rest of the world for millions and millions of years

Now that is interesting.

Some ancient, advanced civilization under the ice would make me jizz.

I've read that there are miles of ice on top of the landmass that's Antarctica. How long has it been since the continent was habitable?

So I just stumbled across this thread and it's probably now my favorite thread here.

On the ice lake, a question, did the Russians actually tunnel down to it?

Apparently

http://scitechdaily.com/russians-cel...bglacial-lake/

We need the Oak Island crew on this ASAP!

Send a diver!

It's like 3 miles down there, right? Have they sent people down there already? I found where one of the supposed scientist thay went down therr said they had a prolonged fight with a 14 legged octopus but I'm not sure the playability

Well, shit. Apparently it froze over 14 million years ago.

Bet there's some interesting shit in those sheets of ice.

I can't believe you guys are on Antarctica and the the shit hasn't hit the fan.

You want to get your gears turning just copy and paste these key words in Google and then decide how far down the rabbit hole you wanna go....

Operation High jump

A quick google seems promising, I'll be looking into this soon :thumb:

This is actually not the best video. I watched one the Russians made a cpl weeks ago, with interviews with a shit load of Russian, American, and German and military personnel.
It's much more in depth and informative.

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High Jump is old news, so to speak. The Vostok stuff and other anomalies like the pyramids are all much more recent, so more interesting to me. Kind of like how Stephenville or the Phoenix lights are more interesting than Roswell, which has been talked to death for going on thirty years.

Although there is sort of a new development there. Kevin Randal has a new book which evidently trashes a lot of eyewitness testimony, which is a complete 180 for him. He'll be making the radio rounds I would guess. I do know he's listed on the upcoming Paracast episode.

Not really conspiracy but freaky as hell...

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Did these guys seriously never watch Terminator?

As for conspiracy, I have one: the unveiling of the shhhh 'Trump leak' trolling event of the last day was a preemptive strike meant to discredit an upcoming larger, real leak of some kind.

I'm intentionally not posting this in DC because I'm politically neutral and not particularly interested in turning a conspiracy into politics...

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Please, continue.

Plus, anyone that comes in here with their DC crap will be appropriately flogged about the head and shoulders....

Been delving into the Black Eyed Kids phenomena lately....

Creepy. As. ****.

It's just a feeling I have. And the leak that's most likely been stopped - since the mainstream isn't going to believe anything that leaks at this point... - may not have even had anything to do with Trump.

I guess this plays into my larger scale belief that the entire US media structure is nowhere near "free". I think our media is a carefully constructed social control structure organized and controlled by the intelligence community. I think that's why we have competing networks, I think that's why traditional journalism is dead in favor of editorial content masquerading as news, and I think that's why social "media" has exploded. Everything we see these days is about generating fear and creating conflict (by this I mean domestically, between individuals...) and it gets more and more divisive every year.

It's all really interesting to me, especially the obvious ways that social "media" can be and almost certainly is being manipulated.

So my theory is that someone on the inside learns of an impending leak, likely a very damaging one. They've manufactured contingencies going back months and years for situations like this, so they pull the trigger on one of them, that being the buzzfeed leak yesterday. We the public get material which is later revealed to be easily identifiable as false, which instantly kills the credibility of any impending real leaked material. Future damaging leak is dead, the media at large looks like idiots, and the outgoing intelligence leadership looks idiotic (which makes zero realistic difference at this point, since they're already out the door).

I think we're going to see a crazy couple of months. It feels like things are happening behind the scenes in a way I haven't experienced before. And no, I don't think it's because Trump is some kind of "outsider" that's evoking change. He's as inside as anyone, and I think a lot of people are eventually going to learn that he's nothing at all like he's been portrayed to his supporters. To me he's a trojan horse, and that nothing meaningful is actually going to change. If anything, if his cabinet choices are any indication, any change isn't going to be positive.

And, no, this still isn't political. This is definitely conspiratorial. To me, the country is run by people above the level of the President. All of the right-left political nonsense is bread and circuses to keep the peons entertained.

Agreed, its incredibly spooky... check out their eyes before opening that door!

Dave and Tim from Darkness Radio (assuming there still is a Darkness Radio at this point, more on that Tonight I guess...) have a new hour long weekly podcast called Beyond the Darkness, and their first two episodes were on Black Eyed Kids. I listen on my phone via the Darkness Radio app, but I think you can find it on itunes and it originates at http://www.podcastone.com/beyond-the-darkness

Yup, listened to both....love those guys. Darkness Radio and the new show are my go to podcasts when traveling for work.

They're shows about the BEK is what got me into it...

This weeks killer bigfoot episode was pretty entertaining in a drunk redneck "hold my beer and watch this" kinda way.

Coonbo is a nut and I don't buy into a lot of stuff he says...

I'm hoping they have Will Jevning back on soon...that to me is THE guy in the field.