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planetdoc 02-25-2014 05:43 PM

IMO, Amaro will thrive in a role similar to Hernandez but will struggle if forced to play like an in-line TE.

Dante84 02-25-2014 06:06 PM

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Originally Posted by planetdoc (Post 10453390)
IMO, Amaro will thrive in a role similar to Hernandez...

Shooter?

Just Passin' By 02-25-2014 06:47 PM

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Originally Posted by htismaqe (Post 10453363)
Jace Amaro was one of the most productive college TE's ever this past season. If anything, the combine hurt him...

I agree, but he was not the only one on the list. All I was really trying to get across is that one man's take on a few players doesn't invalidate his take on all of them. Everyone was in love with Amaro, to look at your example. Then he did the combine. That poor showing doesn't mean he won't make it in the NFL, but it actually gives fuel to the NFL.com guy's analysis.


Pete Prisco is a national embarrassment, yet he still has a job. If he's not worthy of firing, nobody is.

Sorter 02-25-2014 07:09 PM

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Good God.....planetdoc is annoying as ****. Which propaganda technique is that dipshit?



I just hope he can teach us more about gap integrity and fronts. He seems well-versed and quite knowledgeable.

In58men 02-25-2014 07:13 PM

Rich Eisen vs Dri Archer gif.


https://s3.amazonaws.com/uploads.hip...envsArcher.gif


ROFL

Sorter 02-25-2014 07:14 PM

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Originally Posted by milkman (Post 10451477)
Your problem is that you looking at from a narrow view.

If Donald is the best interior pass rusher in this class, and you have the opportunity to take him, you adjust your subpackages to utilize the talent.

This team, as has been pointed out already, takes more snaps in subs than in base.

And, for the record, Tamba Hali played LDE in a 43 base and registered 9 sacks his rookie year.

This "doctor" can't:
A) Understand fronts
B) Understand techniques or gap integrity
C) Understand the importance of "sub" packages and what the Chiefs do from their sub alignments and personnel groupings.

Hooray.

planetdoc 02-25-2014 08:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Sorter (Post 10453510)
I just hope he can teach us more about gap integrity and fronts. He seems well-versed and quite knowledgeable.

thanks

Sorter 02-25-2014 09:41 PM

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Originally Posted by planetdoc (Post 10453815)
thanks

ROFL.

htismaqe 02-26-2014 07:14 AM

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Originally Posted by Just Passin' By (Post 10453476)
I agree, but he was not the only one on the list. All I was really trying to get across is that one man's take on a few players doesn't invalidate his take on all of them. Everyone was in love with Amaro, to look at your example. Then he did the combine. That poor showing doesn't mean he won't make it in the NFL, but it actually gives fuel to the NFL.com guy's analysis.


Pete Prisco is a national embarrassment, yet he still has a job. If he's not worthy of firing, nobody is.

Well, the big knock seems to be his hands. His hands weren't an issue when he was catching over 100 passes last year.

I don't think the combine hurt him as much as some do.

ForeverChiefs58 02-26-2014 07:25 AM

Virginia Tech cornerback Kyle Fuller runs a 4.49 in 40-yard dash

I wonder where Fuller will go?

CleveSteve 02-26-2014 08:38 AM

Here are my takeaways from the DB Drills:

http://www.cornerblitz.com/2014/Combine/DB.aspx

Defensive Back drills are my favorite event at the NFL Scouting Combine. I think you can learn more about the DBs in positional drills at the event than you can at any other position, short of maybe the medical or the team interviews (which obviously we as fans are not privvy to.) Seeing the way the participants react and move without contact best-translates, in my opinion, to the product seen on the field. Very little contact is permitted for these players, so as a defender, raw change-of-direction skills are paramount.

The Tuesday combine coverage started off with contradictions: Mike Mayock questioning whether Darqueze Dennard would be able to show the sub-4.5 speed he would need to justify a top pick, then the statistic was given that last year's average time was a 4.49. He stated Dennard had everything else you look for in a corner but needed to show better-than-average speed. Deion Sanders is celebrating his 25th-Combine Anniversary and stated "for corners... the 40 is everything. You have to run a 4.4." The NFL Network then showed a graphic with "notable CB 40 times", showing Pro Bowlers Brandon Flowers (4.55), Richard Sherman (4.60), and Joe Haden (4.62) all running well outside 4.4 range. Of course, that's not to say that speed doesn't matter, but it's far from the most-important skills on display for the DBs at the combine. The thing about the 40, is that a defensive back is never going to run a 40 unless he's on special teams or he's already been burned and he's trying to chase a player down. The most important thing for a DB is, again, change-of-direction.

Defensive Backs: Group 1

Florida State Free Safety Terrence Brooks ran a terrific 40 . Mike Mayock commented on Brooks, saying "I've got a second round grade on him, with an arrow pointing up." When Deion asked Rich Eisen if he also had an arrow, Mayock reiterated "I've gotta tell you... the arrow is pointing up." We get it, Mike... Brooks showed well in drills throughout the day.

Ross Cockrell of Duke really helped himself with a terrific 40 time in the low 4.4s. Most prognosticators have him as a 4th round pick, and if a team can pick him up there, they've got themselves a steal. I think he's a second-round talent. He was high in his backpedal all day.

Michigan State's Darqueze Dennard answered Mike Mayock's reservations with a 4.42 40 time. He stumbled pretty clearly in transition out of his backpedal, though. That's one thing I noticed about Dennard is that he doesn't backpedal in games, rather choosing to play press off the line and turn immediately.

Kyle Fuller of Virginia Tech, whom I agree with Mayock is a first-round talent, ran a 4.40 40 time.

Justin Gilbert of Oklahoma State clocked in at 4.35 unofficially. Mayock showed a very nice brief breakdown of Gilbert's body control and change-of-direction and said he is likely the first DB to be taken in the upcoming draft. Gilbert backpedaled and transitioned well, but as my wife said "he's got a goofy hand thing going on." Gilbert later made a spectacular, natural snatch catch in drills while covering deep in drills.

Vanderbilt's Andre Hal also ran in the low 4.4s. Hal is a guy with terrific ball skills and good ability to play in zone, but for some reason is not a good man cover corner. He lets receivers get right into him and turns too late. I think that can be coached, though, and he can become a regular contributor. Most projections have him in the 6th or 7th round, which would represent great value if the team is willing to coach him up.

Lindenwood's Pierre Desir is one of the more interesting defensive back prospects in that his skill floor and ceiling are so far apart. He is huge with a long wingspan and ran a 4.52 40 yard dash. He transitioned extremely well for his size in the backpedal-and-go drill. He showed hot and cold at the Shrine Game and Senior Bowl. A team with an extra pick in the 3rd or 4th round could do well to gamble on him.

Rice's Phillip Gaines timed the fastest of all the DBs in the first group, checking in at 4.34 unofficial times twice. He also covers a lot of ground in his backpedal. Very smooth in drills. He was clearly the most capable and prepared in executing the drills.

Clemson's Bashaud Breeland showed a very smooth flip in the backpedal-and-go drill.

Safety Deone Bucannon of Washington State stumbled a little in transition from backpedal in drills after running a good time in the 40.

Virginia Tech's Antone Exum is clumsy backpedaling and turning.

Wyoming's Marqueston Huff was too high in his backpedal and looked like he might trip. He didn't time his jumps well and didn't catch the ball.

Ha Ha Clinton-Dix of Alabama showed good speed but was somewhat awkward in drills.

Victor Hampton of South Carolina performed really well in drills, especially the deep cover drill. He is completely ripped and looks like he can make a real mess in the defensive backfield.

Jonathon Dowling of Western Kentucky showed terrific ball skills, actually understanding and putting into practice the concept of "high-pointing" the ball, extending back behind his head to make a terrific catch at full extension.

Ahmad Brooks of Baylor showed pretty poor footwork, but his game is more reacting to the play than man coverage skills.

The throwing quarerbacks during the DB drills were terrible.

Defensive Backs: Group 2

Stanley Jean-Baptiste of Nebraska ran a 4.53. He has been the focus of a lot of the draft season coverage for the defensive secondary due to his 6'2 5/8" height and the success that Seattle has had with tall corners. He didn't get low in his backpedal, which essentially eliminates its usefulness. The purpose of a defensive back's backpedal is not to help them see the play, it is to allow them to plant and drive to the ball if the receiver breaks a route in front of them or if the ball is thrown in front of them. He did do a better job on his second run through the transition drill.

Immediately following Jean-Baptiste was NC State's Dontae Johnson, a 6'2" corner who ran a 4.45. Johnson showed some superior agility to Jean-Baptiste.

Florida State's Lamarcus Joyner isn't winning any contests with measurables. At 5'8" running a 4.53 isn't going to help him, but the guy just makes huge plays when the game starts. He reminds me a lot of Tyrann Mathieu in terms of his knack for creating in the defensive secondary without being a crazy person. Mike Mayock had the identical comparison on the broadcast. Joyner seems to have some really long arms. He moves very fluidly through positional drills.

Keith McGill of Utah ran terrific 40s at 6'3 1/2" at 4.47 and 4.44. He will probably get drafted in the top 75 on measureables and athleticism alone. Hos long legs did start to get a little clumsy in the deep cover drill.

Louchiez Purifoy of Florida exploded out of the blocks on the 40, but was a bit out of control and only managed a 4.55. He was also out of control in the backpedal drill.

Marcus Roberson of Florida turned up disappointing 40 times of a 4.66 and a 4.59. Both of the highly-rated Florida corners showed poorly. They've looked good every time I've seen them play, but in this apples-to-apples athleticism comparison, they looked plain bad.

Maine's Kendall James overcame some nervousness to show decent transition skills in positional drills.

Jason Verrett leans back in his backpedal, which again eliminates its usefulness. He was a grabby player at TCU and typically was in follow coverage, so it's not very natural for him. He did run a fast 40 at 4.38.

Calvin Pryor of Louisville, considered by many to be the top safety in the class had problems with his long speed in the deep cover drill. Pryor also had trouble coming forward out of his bakpedal with all that weight he carries around. While only listed at 207, he looks really bulky. He is not going to be a good centerfielder in the NFL.

htismaqe 02-26-2014 08:47 AM

Dontae Johnson made some money this weekend.

CleveSteve 02-26-2014 08:52 AM

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Originally Posted by htismaqe (Post 10454449)
Dontae Johnson made some money this weekend.

Yeah I agree.

OldSchool 02-26-2014 11:27 AM

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Originally Posted by ForeverChiefs58 (Post 10454351)
Virginia Tech cornerback Kyle Fuller runs a 4.49 in 40-yard dash

I wonder where Fuller will go?

Probably late 1st or really early in the 2nd. It's between him and Verrett who the 3rd corner off the board is now that both Florida CBs tested poorly and looked shaky in drills.

Jakemall 02-26-2014 11:39 AM

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ROFL.

I have no problem with people not knowing something or being incorrect...but you'd think if you get called out on it, you'd google the topic or something.


Especially someone who was willing to put in the time at med school. :shrug:

OldSchool 02-26-2014 11:41 AM

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Originally Posted by htismaqe (Post 10454449)
Dontae Johnson made some money this weekend.

He got beat repeatedly in coverage when they faced Clemson's WR core. Didn't matter if it was Watkins, Bryant, or one of their freshmen. Johnson just looked bad and was always late getting out of his pedal. Really flat footed. He was fine most of the time when he had to make a play in front of him, but he got burned repeatedly on routes that went past 10 yards.

htismaqe 02-26-2014 11:57 AM

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Originally Posted by OldSchool (Post 10454829)
He got beat repeatedly in coverage when they faced Clemson's WR core. Didn't matter if it was Watkins, Bryant, or one of their freshmen. Johnson just looked bad and was always late getting out of his pedal. Really flat footed. He was fine most of the time when he had to make a play in front of him, but he got burned repeatedly on routes that went past 10 yards.

Right. But he's 6.2 and ran a sub-4.5. He probably raised his stock a full round.

OldSchool 02-26-2014 12:37 PM

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Originally Posted by htismaqe (Post 10454872)
Right. But he's 6.2 and ran a sub-4.5. He probably raised his stock a full round.

I think teams are looking at him as a FS because he is a lot better playing with everything in front of him than in a trail technique. He just doesn't have the make-up speed on tape unless the QB underthrows the ball or floats it.

CleveSteve 02-26-2014 12:58 PM

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Originally Posted by OldSchool (Post 10454829)
He got beat repeatedly in coverage when they faced Clemson's WR core. Didn't matter if it was Watkins, Bryant, or one of their freshmen. Johnson just looked bad and was always late getting out of his pedal. Really flat footed. He was fine most of the time when he had to make a play in front of him, but he got burned repeatedly on routes that went past 10 yards.

Cool, thanks for the info.

That being said, Bryant and Watkins are both studs. Still, you have to be able to hold up against studs every week in the NFL.

saphojunkie 02-26-2014 01:00 PM

Why don't they make DB's run the forty backwards for the first split?

OldSchool 02-26-2014 01:15 PM

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Originally Posted by saphojunkie (Post 10455064)
Why don't they make DB's run the forty backwards for the first split?

I think they time the backpedal and flip drill, just not with official timers.

OldSchool 02-26-2014 01:16 PM

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Originally Posted by CleveSteve (Post 10455057)
Cool, thanks for the info.

That being said, Bryant and Watkins are both studs. Still, you have to be able to hold up against studs every week in the NFL.

Yeah, I know. I'm just saying that he'll get burned by the TY Hiltons of this league just as badly as our DBs were.

Jakemall 02-26-2014 01:45 PM

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Originally Posted by saphojunkie (Post 10455064)
Why don't they make DB's run the forty backwards for the first split?

I think everyone should wear gear (standard weights by position).

I'd be okay with having DBs run a 30 yard dash where they start backwards and have to turn after 10 yards. It'd be even better if they had to turn both ways and they run it twice.

I think it would be in addition to the 40 which is useful for other things.

Jakemall 02-26-2014 01:47 PM

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Originally Posted by OldSchool (Post 10455086)
I think they time the backpedal and flip drill, just not with official timers.

I didn't realize they timed those.

It'd still be useful to have a 30 yard dash version of the drill so you could see how quickly they get up to speed out of the flip.

OldSchool 02-26-2014 01:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Jakemall (Post 10455147)
I didn't realize they timed those.

It'd still be useful to have a 30 yard dash version of the drill so you could see how quickly they get up to speed out of the flip.

For us armchair GMs, yeah, lol. You could always try to use your own timer and time it with whatever is on the feed.

saphojunkie 02-26-2014 04:19 PM

But seriously, why isn't that an official timing thing? I don't care how much fluidity their hips appear to have if they can't get back up to speed after they turn.

OldSchool 02-26-2014 08:48 PM

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Originally Posted by saphojunkie (Post 10455463)
But seriously, why isn't that an official timing thing? I don't care how much fluidity their hips appear to have if they can't get back up to speed after they turn.

It's pretty much just an eye test, no need to put a timer on it. You have film to go off of as well.

KChiefs1 03-04-2014 09:50 PM

Bruce Feldman on the combine:

http://mweb.cbssports.com/ncaaf/writ...he-nfl-combine

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Thoughts from a week spent at the NFL combine

Back from a week in Indy at the NFL combine. Here are some thoughts from what I saw and heard:

• As I wrote a month ago, Virginia Tech QB Logan Thomas is a fascinating case for NFL personnel people. Thomas actually didn't have much quarterbacking experience before arriving in Blacksburg. He was recruited as a tight end. He had a terrific sophomore year but was shaky the past two years as the skill talent around him declined. His accuracy is suspect, as is his decision-making. His physical tools and size are jaw-dropping as NFL folks now can attest. At 6-feet-6 and 250 pounds, he had the fastest 40 among all the QBs (4.61), the best vertical (35.5 inches), longest broad-jump (9-10) and also most velocity on his throws (60 mph ... Pitt's Tom Savage was next at 57 mph I'm told). Having spent a lot of time around Thomas for the past two months for my upcoming QB book, I've found him very easy-going and likable. Of course, the latter two impressions don't necessarily mean he'll impress NFL brass who are looking for presence and confidence in their QB prospects. Still, Thomas as a developmental project will be very tempting for some NFL teams I suspect.

Rang: Big Board
• Quietly, a great trip for Stanford's hard-running Tyler Gaffney. I doubt anyone -- player or coach -- in the Pac-12 would've predicted the 220-pound Cardinal RB would've run a faster 40 time than Oregon's De'Anthony Thomas, who has had a pretty dismal past six months. Gaffney ran a 4.49 to go with an 11.36 60-yard shuttle -- best among running backs. DAT, who is blazing fast on the field and also has legit track credentials, "only" clocked a 4.50 despite weighing just 174 pounds and is coming off an underwhelming season plagued by injury.

• I spoke to several NFL personnel folks who came away loving LSU WR/KR Odell Beckham Jr. almost as much as Cam Cameron and the Tigers staff does. I've been on the Beckham bandwagon for a while, and he promptly tore it up in Indy, running 4.4 and displaying magnificent hands and quickness in the on-field drills. He's gonna be a star in the NFL. Fast.

• There are two-super sized WRs in this draft: Texas A&M's Mike Evans and Florida State's Kelvin Benjamin. Evans was the much more productive college player. Benjamin has more of a wow factor when you first see him. Both are still very raw as route runners. Evans, though, separated himself even more from Benjamin with a very impressive workout, running 4.53 and vertical jumping 37 inches -- 4.5 inches more than the big Nole, who ran a 4.61 40. Evans' shuttle times also were faster than Benjamin's. Evans is still young -- he won't turn 21 until a few weeks before Week 1 of the 2014 NFL season. If he has even an average NFL starting QB, my hunch is he'll be in the Pro Bowl by the time he's 23.

• Speaking of Evans, Missouri CB E.J. Gaines, who lined up against many of the best WRs in the SEC, called Vandy's smooth Jordan Matthews, not Evans, the top wideout he faced in his career. Like Evans, Matthews has terrific size and hands, but Gaines said the difference in college was the Commodore's polished route-running. This draft is stacked with good receivers. I feel like now that Beckham's stock seems to be soaring, Matthews may be the most underrated in the group. He's 6-3, 212, has huge hands and ran in the mid 4.4s. The guy made a ton of plays in the SEC despite being the main focus of rival teams and he was on one of the few teams that didn't have a standout QB.

• I think if O-linemen worked out later in the week than at the start of the combine more people outside of Indy would've been talking about what an awesome showing Auburn's Greg Robinson had. The 6-5, 332-pounder clocked a stunning 4.92 in the 40 (only Michigan's Taylor Lewan ran faster) along with broad jumping 9-5. Why wasn't there more talk about Robinson's workout? Probably because it occurred at a time when many people aren't sure exactly when the workout part begins in Indy and most of the media is focused on the QBs, skill guys and head coaches and GMs filtering into the interview room.

• I don't care about Jadeveon Clowney's relatively low number of reps (21) benching 225 pounds. Clowney, again, more than backed up beliefs that he's the Freakiest athlete we've seen in college football in a long time with his 4.53 40 at 266 pounds. Clowney basically repped the same number on the bench as two of the NFL's top pass-rushers this year, Robert Quinn and Greg Hardy. And Clowney is even more explosive than they are. I do think his lack of effort at times is cause for concern, but for those saying he is just a workout warrior, keep in mind he averaged 0.67 sacks a game in his college career -- only two other active college players were higher in 2013, as South Carolina's Charles Bloom pointed out.

Brinson: Clowney is best player in draft
• The D-lineman who had the best week in Indy was Pitt's Aaron Donald, who was great in-season and at the Senior Bowl. Seen as a bit undersized for a DT at 285 pounds, Donald clocked in the 4.6s. His long arms were also measured at 32 5/8 inches, which makes his 35 reps on the bench even more impressive. Best of all, he has tons of terrific film. "The guy is [an] absolute beast," one NFL scout said. "He's relentless. I would've hated to play against this guy." I saw people make comparisons to Geno Atkins and Hall of Famer John Randle. That's impressive company.

• I've been chirping about Buffalo's Kahlil Mack all season and was glad to see he more than backed up that hype. His 40-inch vertical at 250 was a good example of the explosiveness that makes his so special. I'll be surprised if he isn't a top-10 pick. Amazing considering most coaches looked right past him in the recruiting process when they flocked to his high school to check out a four-star teammate (Miami DT Luther Robinson). Mack actually first committed to FCS Liberty before then-UB assistant Danny Barrett spotted him.

• I had a chance to visit with an NFL linebackers coach not long after he had met with former Ohio State star Ryan Shazier. The coach seemed surprised -- and thrilled that Shazier came in at 237 pounds. Word was he was almost 20 pounds lighter than that near the end of the Buckeyes' 2013 season. The coach loved Shazier's athleticism, which was later backed up by a 42-inch vertical.

• South Dakota's Tyler Starr didn't set the combine record for linebackers in the three-cone drill like he said he might. His time of 6.64 seconds, though, was tops among all LBs, but the 6-4, 250-pounder's 40 time of 4.95 is at least 0.2 slower than expected. The small-school LB that created the most buzz in Indy was Montana's Jordan Tripp, a lighter guy at 234 who moved exceptionally well. Tripp ran 4.67 in the 40 and his 3.69 in the short shuttle and 6.89 in the 3-cone were among the fastest at the position. Tripp also was very impressive in the on-field drills.

• I'm a big Darqueze Dennard fan. He's physical and tough and was as close to a lock-down corner as we get in college football, but after watching the DBs group in Indy, I suspect Oklahoma State's Justin Gilbert will be the top corner picked. He measured at over 6-feet and weighed 202 while running 4.37. He also has terrific film.

• Shrinkage is rarely a good thing, although in Calvin Pryor's case I'm not sure it's gonna be a big deal. Still, it was curious to see the DB Louisville had listed at 6-2 this year measure just 5-11. Regardless, he hits like a linebacker and has very good range.

• Over the years of doing the Freaks list there has been some skepticism about the validity of some of the testing numbers included in the stories. Thanks to Aaron Aloysius, for the heads-up noting the case of Ole Miss WR Donte Moncrief, who last year put up these numbers: 4.44 in the 40, 11-1 broad jump and 39-inch vertical. At the combine, his numbers almost mirrored them: 4.40 in the 40; 11-0 in the broad jump and 39.5 vertical.

No surprise ... Missouri's Michael Sam had tons of media attention. (USATSI)

• Last note: I don't know how much Mizzou pays strength coach Pat Ivey, but I'm pretty sure whatever it is, the school is getting a bargain. Ivey might have been the most impressive guy I spoke to in Indy. The former NFL D-lineman was at the combine with a Mizzou SID in the media area. (A few schools send SID staffers to Indy to produce reports and updates on their own players and Missouri was doing that.) The Tigers had a big contingent of players taking part in the combine. They also produced the guy who drew the biggest crowd at the interview session Michael Sam, the 2013 SEC Co-Defensive Player of the Year.

Michael Sam's story wasn't just about Michael Sam. It touched on a lot of things, including Mizzou football. Sam's teammates, too, were part of the story. And so, the Tigers players in Indy all expected to be asked about playing with a teammate who had come out to the team before the season. All of the Tigers players I saw in the media sessions, including Sam, handled a potentially difficult issue extremely well. And no one was prouder to witness all of that than Ivey, who watched from a distance.

"Every one of our guys are expecting this and they're welcoming this," Ivey told me when asked about Tiger players getting questioned about Sam. "They're like 'Man, great. When I step on that stage, how I answer the questions about my teammate may tell you more about me than my talking about myself.' I think our guys know that.

"Our core values at Missouri are honesty, treating women with respect; and our final core value is 'respect cultural differences.' That is on the locker room door. As they exit the locker room every day, it's 'respect cultural differences.' Our guys know that's part of our culture. You don't take a bunch of two and three-star athletes and win a bunch of games against a lot of four and five-star guys without them being great character people, and without them developing as people, mentally, socially and emotionally."

Strength coaches spend more time with the football players over the course of a year than any other coach in a college program. They are the real backbones of the college football team. Talking to Ivey for an hour, I started to get why the Tigers have won so many games over the last seven or eight years.

"I think it's just something that's really known at Mizzou now, that once you set foot in our locker-room, this is a brotherhood," Tigers DB E.J. Gaines said. "Everything they talk about on your recruiting visit about it being a family atmosphere, that is the truth. Tolerance and just accepting people as they are that really does go along with being a Missouri Tiger. [Ivey] sets that tone. He doesn't just talk about it. He does it by example. He really teaches us how to be leaders."

Ivey, who finished his Tiger playing career as the strongest guy in MU history and got his doctorate in sport psychology earlier this year, said he believed that Sam coming out to his teammates brought the team even closer together and that it "absolutely" played a role in helping a 5-7 team become a 12-2 team. "We love adversity. When you have good character people go through adversity they come out better."

Ivey told me he had suspected for about three years that Sam might be gay. I asked him how concerned he was about the team's reaction.

"I'm going to make a strong statement here," Ivey said. "I want to talk to every head coach in the NFL, every GM in the NFL, every owner in the NFL. We are responsible for setting our culture and our environment. The athletes are not responsible for setting our culture and our environment. It's up to us to set an environment that is accepting and understanding of our differences and be respectful of our differences. It is not on our freshmen or rookies or whomever to decide how the workplace environment is. It is on us. I take that very seriously. I select the songs that we play in the weight room based on the environment and the mood that I want. Not a freshman, not a senior, not a captain. I do it. It's my responsibility. If someone is being disrespectful in my presence, that's my responsibility."

Asked if there were some instances where some things might have been said by teammates that were challenging in light of Sam coming out, Ivey acknowledged that there were.

"There was that going on," the coach said. "But who's supervising the environment? Who's educating that young freshman? 'Hey, That's not the right thing to say. You may have said that for your first 18 years but for the rest of your life, or at least the rest of your time at Missouri, you won't use gay slurs. You won't use racial slurs. You won't use sexual innuendo. You won't do that here.' That's on Coach [Gary] Pinkel. That's on Mike Alden. That's on me. Every day we're talking about respect. I have to do it often. 'Hey, pull your pants up. That's disrespectful to show your underwear.' 'Hey, let the lady get a nutrition bar first.' We talk about that every day."

Ivey smiles now whenever he hears skepticism about Sam's NFL prospects.

"He was 'two-star' athlete in high school. Some people thought that he'd never amount to anything," Ivey said. "He's not just now hearing criticisms. He's heard it his whole life. Can you imagine growing up like he did and hearing the criticisms he heard in the sixth grade, in high school -- every day, 24 hours a day, seven days a week. This is nothing. Life is bigger than football."


htismaqe 03-05-2014 08:19 AM

Beckham's gonna be gone when we pick...

Direckshun 03-05-2014 09:18 AM

Almost certainly.

htismaqe 03-05-2014 09:31 AM

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Originally Posted by Direckshun (Post 10467665)
Almost certainly.

With Dennard, Evans, Donald, and Beckham probably off the board, it makes me hone in even more on Amaro. Either him or a guy like Dee Ford.

Direckshun 03-05-2014 09:32 AM

I like both of those players. But I'm really loving Cooks as well.

htismaqe 03-05-2014 09:35 AM

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Originally Posted by Direckshun (Post 10467690)
I like both of those players. But I'm really loving Cooks as well.

Yeah.

There's also Jordan Matthews - his production (despite the lack of a surrounding cast) and his size/speed ratio really shine...

Sfeihc 03-05-2014 09:43 AM

Beckham or Cooks would give the CHIEFS the kind of player the offense lacks. If played correctly this draft could yield the kind of WR depth that we have never known.

htismaqe 03-05-2014 09:50 AM

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Originally Posted by Sfeihc (Post 10467708)
Beckham or Cooks would give the CHIEFS the kind of player the offense lacks. If played correctly this draft could yield the kind of WR depth that we have never known.

Beckham isn't dropping to #23 now, I don't think.

Direckshun 03-05-2014 09:53 AM

He's probably the #3 WR on everybody's boards.

Sully 03-05-2014 10:14 AM

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We are responsible for setting our culture and our environment. The athletes are not responsible for setting our culture and our environment. It's up to us to set an environment that is accepting and understanding of our differences and be respectful of our differences. It is not on our freshmen or rookies or whomever to decide how the workplace environment is. It is on us. I take that very seriously. I select the songs that we play in the weight room based on the environment and the mood that I want. Not a freshman, not a senior, not a captain. I do it. It's my responsibility. If someone is being disrespectful in my presence, that's my responsibility."

Asked if there were some instances where some things might have been said by teammates that were challenging in light of Sam coming out, Ivey acknowledged that there were.

"There was that going on," the coach said. "But who's supervising the environment? Who's educating that young freshman? 'Hey, That's not the right thing to say. You may have said that for your first 18 years but for the rest of your life, or at least the rest of your time at Missouri, you won't use gay slurs. You won't use racial slurs. You won't use sexual innuendo. You won't do that here.' That's on Coach [Gary] Pinkel. That's on Mike Alden. That's on me. Every day we're talking about respect. I have to do it often. 'Hey, pull your pants up. That's disrespectful to show your underwear.' 'Hey, let the lady get a nutrition bar first.' We talk about that every day."

As a coach myself, I love this quote. I love football. I love every bit of the game, down to some of the mundane things that most people overlook. But I wouldn't coach if it weren't an opportunity to build better men. That's where the real reward is.
I have worked with coaches who cared more than anything about this part of it, and coaches who couldn't care less, and the better teams were always coached by the ones who cared about these things.

The Franchise 03-05-2014 10:17 AM

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Originally Posted by htismaqe (Post 10467736)
Beckham isn't dropping to #23 now, I don't think.

I've seen mock drafts that have Cooks over Beckham right now. Most have the WRs as:

Watkins
Evans
Beckham
Cooks
Benjamin

htismaqe 03-05-2014 10:32 AM

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Originally Posted by Pestilence (Post 10467799)
I've seen mock drafts that have Cooks over Beckham right now. Most have the WRs as:

Watkins
Evans
Beckham
Cooks
Benjamin

You have to figure with these guys' measurables, the top 3 are sure top 20 picks and all 5 of them COULD go in the top 20.

I still like Jordan Matthews too.

Direckshun 03-05-2014 10:36 AM

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Originally Posted by htismaqe (Post 10467840)
You have to figure with these guys' measurables, the top 3 are sure top 20 picks and all 5 of them COULD go in the top 20.

I still like Jordan Matthews too.

Great.

Push the other players down.

We don't need a WR in the 1st. We need the best player at a position that helps us.

If taking those five means a really good CB, S, 5-tech (I know), OLB or TE fall to us, all the better.

RunKC 03-05-2014 10:46 AM

Love Jordan Matthews. He's gonna be a very good receiver for a long time.

The Franchise 03-05-2014 10:52 AM

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Originally Posted by RunKC (Post 10467875)
Love Jordan Matthews. He's gonna be a very good receiver for a long time.

There are a bunch of WRs in this draft that I think are going to have solid careers.

RunKC 03-05-2014 10:55 AM

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Originally Posted by Direckshun (Post 10467849)
Great.

Push the other players down.

We don't need a WR in the 1st. We need the best player at a position that helps us.

If taking those five means a really good CB, S, 5-tech (I know), OLB or TE fall to us, all the better.

Say Gilbert, Donald, Ealy, Mosley, Ford, clowney, haha, Pryor and Mack are gone. Who do you take for the d? Dennard?

Direckshun 03-05-2014 10:56 AM

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Originally Posted by RunKC (Post 10467896)
Say Gilbert, Donald, Ealy, Mosley, Ford, clowney, haha, Pryor and Mack are gone. Who do you take for the d? Dennard?

Hm.

Is Dennard still around?

Edit: Or Hageman?

Edit edit: I just saw that you said Dennard is still around. LMAO Sorry. Yeah, I'd take him. I'd really take a hard look at Nix, Hageman, and Tuitt, but from the sounds of it, this team will either bring back TJax or sign his replacement.

htismaqe 03-05-2014 10:56 AM

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Originally Posted by Pestilence (Post 10467889)
There are a bunch of WRs in this draft that I think are going to have solid careers.

Which is why I'm still leaning towards defense or TE.

Direckshun 03-05-2014 10:58 AM

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Originally Posted by htismaqe (Post 10467903)
Which is why I'm still leaning towards defense or TE.

I'm leaning towards your mom.

The Franchise 03-05-2014 10:59 AM

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Originally Posted by htismaqe (Post 10467903)
Which is why I'm still leaning towards defense or TE.

This is honestly the draft where it's going to be BPA. Really the only position I don't see them taking is oline unless for some unknown reason....they get nothing in FA to fill in the holes. It'd be the Chiefs way.....

Direckshun 03-05-2014 11:06 AM

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Originally Posted by Pestilence (Post 10467921)
This is honestly the draft where it's going to be BPA. Really the only position I don't see them taking is oline unless for some unknown reason....they get nothing in FA to fill in the holes. It'd be the Chiefs way.....

They're likely going to let three starters walk this offseason.

The Chiefs are dipping at OL in the draft. It's happening.

The Franchise 03-05-2014 11:09 AM

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Originally Posted by Direckshun (Post 10467947)
They're likely going to let three starters walk this offseason.

The Chiefs are dipping at OL in the draft. It's happening.

Three starters isn't fully true. If they view Fisher and Stephenson as their tackles.....it's really only two. I'm hoping they're smart enough to realize that they need to bring back either Schwartz or Asamoah. Dipping in the draft is fine....when you're doing it in the 4th round and after. Spending another 1st rounder on offensive line though? Monumentally stupid.

htismaqe 03-05-2014 11:32 AM

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Originally Posted by Direckshun (Post 10467915)
I'm leaning towards your mom.

Totally uncalled for.

Plus, she's out of your league.

Direckshun 03-05-2014 12:01 PM

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Originally Posted by htismaqe (Post 10467993)
Totally uncalled for.

Plus, she's out of your league.

I'm what moms call a "slump-buster." :D

htismaqe 03-05-2014 12:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Direckshun (Post 10468039)
I'm what moms call a "slump-buster." :D

ROFL

planetdoc 03-12-2014 09:02 PM

have something to say sorter?

Sorter 03-12-2014 09:11 PM

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Originally Posted by planetdoc (Post 10486153)
have something to say sorter?

You're a dumbass.

planetdoc 03-12-2014 09:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Sorter (Post 10486177)
You're a dumbass.

likewise.

anything else? just want to get whatever you have on your mind over with so you can stop following me around in other threads wanting to discuss topics from this thread.

Sorter 03-12-2014 09:15 PM

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Originally Posted by planetdoc (Post 10486187)
likewise.

anything else? just want to get whatever you have on your mind over with so you can stop following me around in other threads wanting to discuss topics from this thread.

When you stop posting stupid things, I won't have to correct them.

planetdoc 03-12-2014 09:18 PM

your really blowing this opportunity.
If that is all you have to say than my answer is "ok, and likewise."

I'm going to bed now.

Sorter 03-12-2014 09:19 PM

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Originally Posted by planetdoc (Post 10486209)
your really blowing this opportunity.
If that is all you have to say than my answer is "ok, and likewise."

I'm going to bed now.

ROFL.


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