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The Franchise 12-09-2013 11:11 AM

Fasano is a damn good 2nd TE.

Saccopoo 12-09-2013 01:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Pestilence (Post 10263181)
Fasano is a damn good 2nd TE.

I agree, but when they used a high third on Kelce in the 2013 draft and we've received solid production out of Beard McGrath all season long, I would hope that our tight end situation has been and is basically addressed for the immediate and long term future.

While I think that Jenkins is a talent, spending our first rounder in 2014 on him or another player at the tight end position would be a waste, all things considered.

I think that the Chiefs will end up going with the best OL guy on the board, someone like Miss State's Gabe Jackson, Stanford's Dave Yankey or Baylor's Cyril Richardson, unless guy like USC's WR Marquis Lee or Alabama's FS Ha-Ha Dix is sitting there.

However, just throwing this out, a guy who might be a dark horse is Utah's DE Trevor Riley.

Riley led the team in most defensive categories (sacks, tackles for loss, tackles and fumble recoveries). Long and athletic, Riley really exploded this year. Utah defensive players under Wittingham have made a smooth transition to the NFL and Riley's size (6'5", 255 lbs.) indicates he'll be a nice fit for an OLB in a 34 system.

However, I still think it will be a OL guy. Neither Albert nor Asamoah will likely get long term, bigger money contracts and both positions seem to have already been upgraded with the insertion of Stephenson and Schwartz into the lineup. However, Allen still remains the weak link on the line, though the #2 receiver position is probably the biggest need with free safety second.

Draft needs as I see it:

1. WR
- Unless a guy like Lee falls, guys like Davante Adams, Allen Robinson and Jordan Matthews are really no different than guys like Mike Davis and Cody Hoffman - and I personally like Davis and Hoffman a lot better than those guys anyway. I think LSU's Odell Beckham offers up some nice stuff, but I think he'll be in that second/third round grey area. Ohio State's Pitt Brown or Oregon's Josh Huff gives you that same type of guy as Beckham though and will be around in the later rounds.

2. FS
- After Dix it's a pretty thin class at the position and I'm pretty sure that the Chiefs have two young guys/rookies on the roster in Commings and McDougald that will really push Kendrick Lewis for the starting spot for the 2014 season. If it's not Dix, who does have superb speed and athleticism at the position, I don't think you waste a pick due to the two young guys already on the roster.

3. OL
- As stated, I don't see either Albert or Asamoah getting much in terms of a long term offer/contract from the team. Both, in a contract season, haven't played very well and have been out played by the guys who've replaced them the past couple of weeks in Stephenson (who I thought we stole in the 2012 draft) and Schwartz (who seems to solidify the blocking on the line every time he's been inserted into the lineup). Jeff Allen has been flat bad for most of the year and could easily be replaced in the starting lineup. Where the Chiefs will pick, they will have their choice of some really solid pro prospects in the aforementioned guys like Jackson, Yankey or Richardson. And I really like either Virginia's OT Morgan Moses or Tennessee's OT JaWuan James in around the third/fourth round area.

RunKC 12-09-2013 03:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Saccopoo (Post 10263579)
I agree, but when they used a high third on Kelce in the 2013 draft and we've received solid production out of Beard McGrath all season long, I would hope that our tight end situation has been and is basically addressed for the immediate and long term future.

While I think that Jenkins is a talent, spending our first rounder in 2014 on him or another player at the tight end position would be a waste, all things considered.

I think that the Chiefs will end up going with the best OL guy on the board, someone like Miss State's Gabe Jackson, Stanford's Dave Yankey or Baylor's Cyril Richardson, unless guy like USC's WR Marquis Lee or Alabama's FS Ha-Ha Dix is sitting there.

However, just throwing this out, a guy who might be a dark horse is Utah's DE Trevor Riley.

Riley led the team in most defensive categories (sacks, tackles for loss, tackles and fumble recoveries). Long and athletic, Riley really exploded this year. Utah defensive players under Wittingham have made a smooth transition to the NFL and Riley's size (6'5", 255 lbs.) indicates he'll be a nice fit for an OLB in a 34 system.

However, I still think it will be a OL guy. Neither Albert nor Asamoah will likely get long term, bigger money contracts and both positions seem to have already been upgraded with the insertion of Stephenson and Schwartz into the lineup. However, Allen still remains the weak link on the line, though the #2 receiver position is probably the biggest need with free safety second.

Draft needs as I see it:

1. WR
- Unless a guy like Lee falls, guys like Davante Adams, Allen Robinson and Jordan Matthews are really no different than guys like Mike Davis and Cody Hoffman - and I personally like Davis and Hoffman a lot better than those guys anyway. I think LSU's Odell Beckham offers up some nice stuff, but I think he'll be in that second/third round grey area. Ohio State's Pitt Brown or Oregon's Josh Huff gives you that same type of guy as Beckham though and will be around in the later rounds.

2. FS
- After Dix it's a pretty thin class at the position and I'm pretty sure that the Chiefs have two young guys/rookies on the roster in Commings and McDougald that will really push Kendrick Lewis for the starting spot for the 2014 season. If it's not Dix, who does have superb speed and athleticism at the position, I don't think you waste a pick due to the two young guys already on the roster.

3. OL
- As stated, I don't see either Albert or Asamoah getting much in terms of a long term offer/contract from the team. Both, in a contract season, haven't played very well and have been out played by the guys who've replaced them the past couple of weeks in Stephenson (who I thought we stole in the 2012 draft) and Schwartz (who seems to solidify the blocking on the line every time he's been inserted into the lineup). Jeff Allen has been flat bad for most of the year and could easily be replaced in the starting lineup. Where the Chiefs will pick, they will have their choice of some really solid pro prospects in the aforementioned guys like Jackson, Yankey or Richardson. And I really like either Virginia's OT Morgan Moses or Tennessee's OT JaWuan James in around the third/fourth round area.

I think you could be right about TE. Reid is close with Kelce's family. He's gonna let him roll. I like the Fasano/Kelce/McGrath trio.

I don't know about OL. Reid obviously has Fisher at LT next year. He likes Jeff Allen a lot, Schwartz will probably start and I think Stephenson deserves his shot at RT.
I think Hudson would be the only weak link because he's struggled and is too small to fit Reid's system.

I think it just depends on who is there. The Joyner kid from FSU is pretty good too, but not sure if he's worth a 1st. Tuitt would be amazing, but idk how he would last that long on the board.

We will probably pick up Jeremy Maclin and a veteran safety, draft a lineman of some sort in round 1 and then draft another WR in round 3. I can see that happening.

Halfcan 12-09-2013 04:27 PM

his name is Haha-lol what is his brother's name Hoho and a sister named HeeHee.

hitchief 12-18-2013 03:10 PM

very nice mock and would be very happy if it happened but don't think Ha-Ha is gonna be there for us when we pick.

hitchief 12-18-2013 03:40 PM

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Originally Posted by RunKC (Post 10263810)
I think you could be right about TE. Reid is close with Kelce's family. He's gonna let him roll. I like the Fasano/Kelce/McGrath trio.

I don't know about OL. Reid obviously has Fisher at LT next year. He likes Jeff Allen a lot, Schwartz will probably start and I think Stephenson deserves his shot at RT.
I think Hudson would be the only weak link because he's struggled and is too small to fit Reid's system.

I think it just depends on who is there. The Joyner kid from FSU is pretty good too, but not sure if he's worth a 1st. Tuitt would be amazing, but idk how he would last that long on the board.

We will probably pick up Jeremy Maclin and a veteran safety, draft a lineman of some sort in round 1 and then draft another WR in round 3. I can see that happening.

You are probably correct with TE situation but if the top TE is still there, we take him.

FS is a huge need for us but as others have said the only viable pick in the 1st
round at that position is Ha-Ha and he will be gone.

With Albert and Asamoah going in FA, Oline is gonna be high on the list also.

So, I think it falls like this:

We pick up the best FS in FA by signing Jarius Byrd. Will have the money if we don't resign Albert and Lewis.

In the 1st round we take the best player available at either TE, Oline or Wr. One is gonna slip and fall to us out of that group and I'd predick it will be Lee (Wr) or Ebron (TE)

Then pick up a OG or Tackle in the 3rd.

saphojunkie 12-18-2013 04:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Halfcan (Post 10263919)
his name is Haha-lol what is his brother's name Hoho and a sister named HeeHee.

Are you ashamed of this post? I hope you're ashamed of this post. Because you should be ashamed of this post.

htismaqe 12-19-2013 02:21 PM

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Originally Posted by RunKC (Post 10253434)
Would you draft a TE round 1 even though Fasano will be back and Kelce is healthy next year? Cut Duck Dynasty maybe?

I think if Sefarian-Jenkins is on the board, we gotta take him. He's too good.

I'm not gonna count on Fasano for anything at this point. He's a journeyman at best and a constant injury risk at worst.

The Franchise 12-19-2013 06:25 PM

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Originally Posted by htismaqe (Post 10294219)
I'm not gonna count on Fasano for anything at this point. He's a journeyman at best and a constant injury risk at worst.

I was excited about the Fasano signing. Shit just didn't work out.

Saccopoo 12-19-2013 07:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Pestilence (Post 10295117)
I was excited about the Fasano signing. Shit just didn't work out.

The guy is a solid backup/#2. Does everything well.

Personally, I'd love Jason Witten on this offense with Smith as the QB. Money all game long, however, that ain't gonna happen as he inked a big time, five year deal in 2011 with the Cowboys.

Kelce has the same level of athleticism as Witten, and we did spend a very high third on the guy. Reid knows the family and obviously saw something in the guy that he liked. As I stated earlier, with Kelce, Fasano and McGrath, I wouldn't be spending anymore draft picks on the position until it's proven that Kelce doesn't have the potential and Fasano can't stay healthy. McGrath has been a huge boon for the team and has earned his spot. Using a pick on the TE position would be a waste, especially an early pick. We've got to find out if Kelce can play before that position is once again addressed.

However, even the casual fan knows that WR, OG and FS are serious needs. Personally, I don't think that Reid likes messing with a lineup once it's set for the season. We'll really see Commings and McDougald push at the FS spot next summer IMO. However, other than Hemmingway, there isn't anything at the WR position beyond Bowe and even he has struggled this season and at this point might be better utilized as a big slot guy much in the same way as Boldin is being utilized in San Francisco.

I think you'll see no less than two WR in this next draft in an effort to upgrade the position. You'll also see a OG and an OT somewhere as depth is needed. OG could be early in an effort to push Allen/the LOG spot. If they went OL with their first pick, my bet would be Gabe Jackson, who is a power blocking left guard who has absolutely dominated the SEC this season. (Three time SEC Lineman of the Week in 2013.) However, as I stated, if a guy like Marquis Lee or HaHa Dix fell to them, I think that they would be very tempted to take either of those players.

RealSNR 12-20-2013 01:22 AM

McDougald plays for the Bucs now, Sac. They claimed him from us when we were busy playing Musical Roster Grabass.

Saccopoo 12-20-2013 01:45 AM

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Originally Posted by SNR (Post 10295869)
McDougald plays for the Bucs now, Sac. They claimed him from us when we were busy playing Musical Roster Grabass.

Poop.

They may regret that one.

rtmike 12-20-2013 01:03 PM

Decent mock. No draft will be without criticism. The folks' bad mouthing this mock should post theirs up. :thumb:



Sac, I gotta know if you don't mind. How many wives do you have? ;)

Nightfyre 12-20-2013 01:21 PM

Probably none based on the fact that he has free time to make mock drafts! LMAO

rtmike 12-20-2013 01:58 PM

Maybe, could be.

I would bet we're not talking to him at all. He just gives one of them a pointer & notes so she can edit while another one can take short notes from the edited material all the while another one is here on the planet typing out this post & yet another is on another computer visiting the Orange Mane getting ready to fire them up...


See there, I already lost track of how many he has. I wonder if he nose. :D


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