I am not claiming what it was. Maybe it was all how Arrowhead was. My point was that even if that's true it's not Pioli's fault. You don't have to be a Chief. I can understand it sucking to be a Chiefs player this year but even if one was driven off the edge because of it I don't think it's on the person that created that environment. One could kill themselves because they saw an ugly car, doesn't meant the person that made the car is to blame. I think the grey area is when the person was forced to be in the environment, i.e. children.

You are so naive and stupid it is a sick JOKE.

Let's recap the situation:

1) Two Chiefs employees... one a player, one an employee in the stadium operations department both killed themselves and their significant others in murder suicides. These both happened within a 3 month period.

2) Detailed and first hand reports have come out from within the Chiefs organization describing the toxic morale within the organization created by Scott Pioli. This comes from both non-football and football employees.

This may be too much for your gutless self to absorb, but there could very well be a connection and it is worth at least considering.

yeah because thats the same :banghead:

She was 22yrs what the hell is she going to know?

This works for me.

I am not surprised there are positive results and that's great that they are being proactive. This isn't a field with many suicides due to the mental part of the work place. Even so, being proactive is great, but I don't think just continuing to be an asshole boss puts you at blame.

do you or have you suffered from depression?

have you ever contemplated suicide?

counseling?

I can tell you in all of these cases Everyone is different.

family members and spouses sometimes have no idea what is going on.

Blecher wasn't forced to work for Pioli. Him being a dick boss puts him in the blame somehow?

Wow didn't know about the other one. This has to at least partially fall in Piolis lap no matter how small a contribution, the environment has to contribute something.

a person can exhibit suicidal warning behaviors only around certain people or in certain circumstances. People you work with may not exhibit any at work, but may do so at home. There's no way you can say with any certainty the Chiefs failed Belcher on this.

I think a fresh start would be best for all involved. That's even removing football from the equation.

I agree with that. Being a member of this this team didn't help.

Some people just cant be reasoned with I guess... have fun thinking Pioli didnt have any sort of hand in this. Workplace killings happen all the time, same with suicides... almost always comes back to something at the work place.

When did that first story come out? I don't remember that. I still don't think it excuses murder or means that the place that created the anger is somehow morally responsible for the murder.

I think it's about a 90% chance Romeo retires. He's had so much on his plate and that's not good for a man his age. Look at his press conferences of the past 2 weeks. He's not only looking confused, but dejected and defeated.

After today, I think that may have been it. He's dealt with so much this season and now this. More than any coach has had to bare this year. I think RAC and Cassel will both be gone next year.

I'm not quite sure about Pioli though. I have a gut feeling Clark won't pull the trigger.