He's not a traitor. He did what any other smart free agent would do. Go to a team that gives him the best chance of success. The only thing he did wrong is have The Decision. That was the worst move in recent history. If he had changed teams quietly, even Cavs fans would understand. But that's in the past. He is the best player in the league right now and will be top 10 when he retires.

He could retire now and would be recognized as top 5.

I spent several bachelor party weekends in Windsor. My entire weekend involved gambling and a straight shot to the strip club. Repeat. Again and again.

I've been there a total of six days and couldn't tell you what the city looks like if it's not the Caesars not cheetahs, and isn't directly in that route.

Good point. Rep....

He could retire now and nobody would care and the world might be a better place...

But he'll also now be known as one of the top 5 sports assholes on the planet too.

As many are saying, even if the decision had some merit, how he did it was plain stupid. But alas, other than bouncing a ball really well and putting it in a basket, he's pretty stupid.

Did I mention he can shove both rings up his ass and go home to his big house there in norther Cuba? And rotate too?

you have issues

the funny thing is

yeah, LeBron pretty much single-handedly won the Heat a title this year

but they have to feel AWFUL about the future of THIS team

Wade is clearly not the same player anymore. He's not a star.

Bosh was miserable. Absolutely miserable this postseason. He was one of the worst players in the playoffs and he makes the most money on the Heat.

LeBron has to play 1 more year in Miami. If he's smart, he packs his bags and goes elsewhere in 2014-15.

The LeBron trolling this thread was miserable. He absolutely carried his team at a level only one other player I've ever seen in my life could possibly do.

The Spurs were the best team in the playoffs this year. They should have beaten the Heat. If they ended it in game 6, the story would have been "LeBron choked."

Which is insane.

I guess what I'm trying to say is...

if the best team wins...how is a player on the other team a choker? That's what I hate about this board, especially during football.

Just because Aaron Rodgers or Tom Brady or *gulp* Peyton Manning lose in the playoffs doesn't mean they choked. I hate that ****ing term so much. It is so grossly misused on this website.

silly post dude.

the world might be a better place if he retired? come on man

No, it's not.

LeBron's finals were pedestrian before the 4th quarter of Game 6.

Comparable to his shitty Dallas finals. A smidge better.

Kudos for him to rising above. It was impressive. But let's not get this twisted.

Dude was a Kawhi Leonard FT or a Ray Allen 3 from me laughing at him for several months.

That's because you're dumb and you don't understand what you're watching.

The Spurs are a great team. LeBron had little help from his supporting cast. The Spurs dared anyone other than LeBron to beat them and he got little help.

LMAO

Whatever. LeBron was flopping around bricking his ass off for much of this series, or even flat refusing to take shots.

It's a good thing he turned it on late when it mattered...

you're just wrong

par for course

Actually he didn't. The trade was set up for Divac money to come off the books so the Lakers could pursue Shaq.

In fact, we should compare Dirk and LeBron's finals just so you get a little perspective.

Dirk - 26 PPG - 9.7 REB - 2.0 AST

LeBron - 25.3 PPG - 10.9 REB - 7.0 AST

Good job scoring LESS than Dirk in a finals, LeBron.

Oh, and now let's compare LeBron's total postseason run to Dirk's

Dirk - 27.7 - .609 TS - 8.1 - 2.5
LeBron - 25.9 - .585 TS - 8.4 - 6.6

Nice postseason run, LeBron...but not one of the greatest of all time...in fact his PER in this year's postseason was only 43rd all time.

http://www.basketball-reference.com/..._season_p.html

Perspective, Hootie...get some. One Kawhi Leonard FT away from being an embarrassment.

Sorry, didn't mean to offend.

Bill Simmons created a metric to measure post-season success. Look up the 42 club, see who's on there and who isn't.

And four assists is worth more than 1.8 points.

*shrug*

Not saying Dirk's postseason run was anything legendary, or even better than LeBron's (it wasn't)...just puts it in perspective. Plus, a big man like Dirk isn't going to rack up assists.

LeBron was absolutely great in Game 7, Game 4 and the fourth quarter of Game 6.

The rest of the time, pretty meh for a supposed GOAT candidate.

Dirk played no Defense whereas lebron shut down tony parker.

Is Lebron a little guy now?
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Why does this conversation even exist?

Because people are so desperate to worship LeBron James they'll ignore the facts.

Do you think LeBron would average 7 assists if he played with Jason Kidd?

Probably. But that has nothing to do with the idiocy you spew.

you said dirk is a big man and wouldn't get many assists.
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Lebron is ten times the player dirk ever thought about being
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Because clay can't admit he is a ****ing idiot
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This isn't about Dirk vs LeBron.

It's about putting LeBron's finals in perspective.

LeBron was a missed free throw away from losing the Finals.

Partially because he disappeared for huge stretches.

Why ignore that?

LeBron was probably worth 5-10 ppg just for his defensive value alone. Dirk was known as _irk for years. Just using counting stats alone is problematic.

Bullshit. You have made it about dirk vs Lebron for years idiot
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Dirk didn't make the finals. Why ignore that?

Again he isn't Jordan. He isn't as mentally strong as Jordan.

Everyone knows this.


He's won two titles. Might just win more.

You make yourself look silly with these stupid rants
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Well, it's not.

But it's a good comparison, because Dirk was the only true alpha on his team.

I know one thing...he certainly didn't have anyone scoring 32 points in any of his Finals games...

This isn't a rant.

People are ignoring the fact that LeBron almost lost the finals because he had some terrible performances.

I'm here to snap Hootie back to reality.

our he could have almost lost the finals because bosh sucked, wade sucked for the most part, a very technically sound spurs team concentrated on trying to shut him down...

The other nine guys on the court play too
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Dude...here we go again. ROFL

One of the big reason LeBron won the Finals was because Wade showed up big time in two of the victories.

LeBron did NOT do this alone.

neither did dirk.


Absolutely no one has ever win a finals alone dumbass
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Agreed.

And definitely not LeBron this year.

Is it fair to say that LeBron had comparatively less help than previous finals winners?

lol. How many points did Jason Terry score that series?

Dumbass
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Hell Jason Terry basically won games five and six iirc
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LeBron had a pretty good Finals, guys!

I look forward to next year's playoffs.

Dirk will return with a VENGEANCE.

Shut the **** up
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You are very unkind. I am merely discussing basketball.

Where would you rank LeBron's finals performance, my friendly asian?

LeBron is not winning any Finals ever again, I guarantee you THAT.

Time to put this bitch in his place.

http://i.imgur.com/XAOxMiq.jpg

You said that last year dumbass
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I'm referring to virtual LeBron, my asian friend.

I think the 2014 playoffs start on Monday

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LOL that rant is good. I especially like the one where he says...'game 6, 5 seconds left, court roped off I haven't seen anyone gag like that since two girls one cup!!' LMAO

Rockets apparently have a T-Rob deal in place. Clearing space!

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LeBron had the 4th best postseason of all time in 2013 according to win shares: http://www.basketball-reference.com/..._season_p.html

Facts like LeBron already being 7th overall in career postseason win shares at the age of 28 (above both Kobe and Dirk)? http://www.basketball-reference.com/..._career_p.html

Like him being #3 in both WS/48 and PER behind only Jordan and Mikan?
http://www.basketball-reference.com/..._career_p.html
http://www.basketball-reference.com/..._career_p.html

People just don't get Lebron....he's not built to be MJ....he's a hybrid everything, and it's fascinating. I truly enjoy cheering for him.

That's awesome. The EXACT same words were used by many to describe Kobe. They are now used to describe Lebron. I hope the next big thing in the NBA is actually a peoples champion alah Michael, Larry, Magc.

Michael Jordan actually quit on both his team and the entire league to play a different sport in the middle of his basketball prime. And yet, he's perceived as a "people's champion" due almost entirely to media narratives, while LeBron is the guy destroying the game with his presence in some idiots' minds.

Yep, makes all kinds of sense.

I was strictly talking about basketball and the fact that you Cleveland whiners got to watch one of the greatest athletes ever for 7 years, many of which were seasons where those teams contended for championships. Cities rarely get that kind of direct opportunity to experience the kind of transcendent athlete that LeBron is.

But really, outside of two baseball championships over two decades ago that are a distant memory for many, Toronto has been just as bad as anybody in the area of professional sports. The Leafs haven't won a Cup in nearly 50 years, the Raptors have had only five .500+ seasons in their entire existence, and the Blue Jays haven't sniffed the playoffs since 1993.

My favorite LeBatard rant:

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that Dan Le Betard "rant" is annoying as ****. I had to turn it off.

Sometimes I dream he is me sometimes that how I dream to be like Lebron, yeah if I could be like Lebron- said no one ever.

Michael quit on his team?

Maybe. Kind of a weird thing to say. I think his life was pretty ****ed up at that point and he had achieved everything he needed to achieve...

In fact...can you imagine if he just never came back? That would have been the most sensational sports story ever. The best basketball player to ever play quits at age 30 after winning 3 straight titles.

Yeah, because this is the same exact thing. 1) MJ won 3 championships for the team already. Not before the job was done; 2) He made the announcement right after the season ended. He didn't string his team along; 3) He never quit on the court in front of thousands of fans and in front of his teammates; 4) Jordan held a standard press conference. He didn't orchestrate an entire event.

You are probably the only person who makes excuses for "the Decision." Regardless of basketball abilities, it was completely stupid.

The Decision was stupid. LeBron has acknowledged that mistake and apologized for it. The fact that you and others can't get over it says more about you than LeBron.

The NBA loves how polarizing Lebron is even though he hasn't done anything to perpetuate this image except winning the last 2 years.


Hatred brings in a shitload of viewers.

That is too funny. Yeah, I guess Chiefs' fans are whiners because we think the Vermeil era was a failure. But... but... we got to watch a dominant RB and maybe the best TE of all time!

Don't even try to compare Toronto to Cleveland. Cleveland is known for having a devout fan base despite how bad their teams are. They had one football owner take a sellout crowd team to a new market purely for $'s, then watched that coach (bellichick) become one of the best coaches in NFL history and watched that same team win a Super Bowl a few years later. In the 90's, the Browns never made a Super Bowl, but twice came within seconds of it: 1) John Elways had "the Drive" where he went 97 yards against a dominant defense; 2) "the Fumble" - Earnest Byner fumbled a game-tying 4th quarter TD on the 1 yard line. In 1997, the Indians blew a 3-1 lead and haven't been to the World Series since.

LeBron is from Akron. He knows the history. A lot of my best friends are Cleveland fans. Anyone who tells these fans to "get over it" or that they are "whiney" need to get real.

I love this comment. Because if one of the greatest and marketable football players of all time played for the Chiefs for 7 years and did the same exact thing, people would be over it by now. Cleveland fans don't get over it because they love sports and are real fans of the sport. They don't care about great players if they don't win them championships.

JFC, are Cleveland fans to stupid to kill themselves?


Or at the very least, change teams.

I wasn't aware that being butthurt and holding grudges were requirements for loving sports and being a real fan. LMAO

That's because someone came up with the commercial prior to Lebron playing.
But I guarantee there are kids making shots as Lebron in their driveways
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don't pretend you're a real Heat fan fanboy

you're a bandwagoner for LeBron just like me

JFC, I probably dislike Lebron as much as any poster on this site, but to argue that he isn't one of the greatest basketball players of all time is ridiculous. His skills are top 5 of all-time. He is weaker than MJ mentally, but he has improved in that area every year.

The Decision was the stupidest marketing move in sports history, but he was 25 years old. Who hasn't made a dumb decision when they were 25, especially if ESPN was promising to be a part of that decision?

I think Lebron is an arrogant asshole and I hope he never wins another championship, but I can't deny his skill as a basketball player, his devotion to improving his skills, and his overall desire to be considered one of the best ever.

I've lived in several sports markets. I've sat in empty bars in St. Louis because the team went 0-2 and watched my Rams fan friends become Bears fans midway through a season. I've talked to so called diehard fans that can't even name their starting NBA lineup.

I respect the hell out of Cleveland fans because they know their sports and they still care about them, even when their teams are downright miserable. That's a real fan.

No, I'm nothing like you.


2000:
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2001:
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2004:
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2005:
http://www.chiefsplanet.com/BB/showt...15#post2272215
http://www.chiefsplanet.com/BB/showp...69&postcount=6
2006:
http://www.chiefsplanet.com/BB/showp...5&postcount=21
2007:
http://www.chiefsplanet.com/BB/showp...6&postcount=79
2008:
http://www.chiefsplanet.com/BB/showp...5&postcount=45
2009:
http://www.chiefsplanet.com/BB/showp...40&postcount=7
2010:
http://www.chiefsplanet.com/BB/showp...&postcount=150

didn't you skip game 7 to go on a date?

yeah

you're a diehard!!

I watched game 7 while on a date. What's your point?

Problem solved....

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Jordan would be hated today in the era of social media. His lifestyle and attitude would get nailed.
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