I haven't been able to watch the Royals unless they're on espn or fox sports 1. I got rid of cable and don't have fox sports kc. So, I really had no clue

The answer is no he can't play center. His future is RF/LF with DH role.

Yeah, his arm is ok, but his range and mobility in the OF are truly suspect. He looks like a future DH that can sub in the OF from time to time.

I understand that, but to act like having Davis and Holland on this team wouldn't make a huge difference is pretty ignorant, considering how terrible this bullpen has been.

It's not ignorant. With our offense, it'd be like putting a dress on a Pig. I think that's the point - it would not have made a huge difference.....thus far.

Holland wasn't coming back.

To think this team would have a winning record solely having Davis back is ignorant. They'd likely have 2-3 more wins than they do currently. They still wouldn't be a very good team this year.

Not sure I agree. Yes there have been serious flaws with this team. But just because You have flaw A doesn't mean you can ignore flaw B. This team has a history of doing that. "Let's focus on finding that second baseman of the future because that will fix everything" when you're trotting out Frenchy in RF, Nefi Perez at SS, Mike Jacobs at 1B, etc etc etc. And it's not just the org, our fans have a history of doing this as well.

You have to look at the whole, not focus on one thing. We went through stretches during our two WS seasons where pitching absolutely carried this team when they struggled offensively for long periods of time. The early offensive woes are nothing new with this group. The difference this year is that we don't have that dominating BP or even dominating pitching staff as a whole. There were times when our Rotation wasn't a very good rotation but they helped us through rough offensive stretches. This year we have a poor rotation AND a terrible bullpen. Weren't able to steal wins like this team needs when they go through their bad stretches. Now that they are hitting somewhat, we'll play .500+ ball but it won't be good enough to make the post-season and recover from the crap stretch(s).

Having Wade and\or Holly this season during that span would have been a lot bigger difference making than I think you all are acknowledging.

I don't think they'd have a winning record right now. But I think we would be in a lot better shape during that time where our offense wasn't showing up.

Again, we've seen this with this group before but we had bullpen that helped us through those stretches without too much damage having occurred.

This year's offensive woes were HISTORICALLY bad.

There's also a LOT of 20/20 going on with Holland and Davis.

Holland threw once for teams and he was awful. Lots of teams that needed BP help passed on him. Kudos to the Rockies for taking a chance, but at that time you couldn't blame anyone for saying no. Plus, the Rockies gave him a chance to close, which he wanted, and which he wouldn't get here.

Davis would've been traded last July if not for his arm problems. He had red flags sticking out of his elbow, and for the Royals to have held on to him and risk getting nothing for him in his walk year would've been a huge gamble. If it had gone a different way, Moore would've been crucified for hanging on too long despite the warning signs, for being too sentimental, etc. Davis looks 100 percent healthy right now, but let's wait until the end of the season to gauge that trade.

I'm not going to argue on the BP, but our starting pitching this year has been pretty good, outside of Hammel and Chris Young. To this point in the season, it's better than the 2015 staff.

2014: 3.60 ERA, 1.27 WHIP
2015: 4.34 ERA, 1.37 WHIP

2017: 3.83 ERA, 1.30 WHIP

EDIT to add: Our starting staff currently ranks #4 in the AL and #7 in all of MLB. I wouldn't call that "poor".

The offensive woes we are talking about had Kansas City on pace to be the worst offense in baseball history. Including the dead ball era.

Even the Royals 14 and 15 pens can't overcome that over the span of an entire month.

Would the Royals be at least a few games better with Davis and Holland on the team? Absolutely!

But 7+? No. The games just aren't there.

And again, Holland added means no Minor. So you have to subtract 25 elite reliever innings from the mix in the process.


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I'll also say: Though I will defend the Soler-Davis trade and continue to say it needs more time for a true/final evaluation, that doesn't mean it's the path I would have taken.

If I was trading Davis, it would have been for a younger player, with fewer restrictions on what I was getting back in return. That would have maxed out the return a little more than targeting a player with 4+ years of control and MlB experience.


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I know Holland wasn't coming back. But people are saying that, hypothetically, having Holland and Davis on this current team wouldn't make a big difference. That's where I'm disagreeing.

Why? We needed a RF now. This was swapping a closer (60 IP) for a regular (500 PA)