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Buehler445 07-09-2013 04:38 PM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud (Post 9801501)
Dude, please.

Anyone that works in this town will tell you the same exact thing, whether they're a director, a gaffer, an accountant or work in marketing.

It's one thing to take a profitable film and assign applicable costs to it to reduce overall NI, but I seriously doubt the companies just piss money away because they don't want to pay tax. Unless those escalators are HUGE, I really don't see any way at all they'd purposely produce losing films.

Perhaps I'm missing your point. I can understand maximizing return on taxable income, and to a lesser extent, understand that if they make X money they have to pay certain other people Z instead of Y.

But I really doubt they're going to produce "Buehler445 shits in the field and buries it" for $100M just because they need a loser.

Buehler445 07-09-2013 04:39 PM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud (Post 9801501)
Dude, please.

Anyone that works in this town will tell you the same exact thing, whether they're a director, a gaffer, an accountant or work in marketing.

I'm actually familiar with the details, as having been a part of some of those deals.

I understand that. That's why I think we're talking about different things.

DaneMcCloud 07-09-2013 04:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Buehler445 (Post 9801505)
It's one thing to take a profitable film and assign applicable costs to it to reduce overall NI, but I seriously doubt the companies just piss money away because they don't want to pay tax. Unless those escalators are HUGE, I really don't see any way at all they'd purposely produce losing films.

There are ways to make a film that's grossed $400 million dollars appear as a "loser" on the balance sheet and reasons the studio would do so.

One, is so that they're taxable income is significantly lower. Two, is to avoid paying escalators to the talent, e.g., the director and movie stars get "x" percentage if the film earns "x" amount after net income.

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Originally Posted by Buehler445 (Post 9801505)
But I really doubt they're going to produce "Buehler445 shits in the field and buries it" for $100M just because they need a loser.

Every studio knows that every film isn't going to resonate with the viewers. Sometimes, those films are scheduled opposite other "blockbusters" in order to make sure that the film is a "loser". Other times, it just happens. At the end of the day, everyone was paid, the studio gets to write-off the loss and everyone goes home happy.

On the music side, we signed songwriters and bands that either sold zero records because their album was never released (even after spending $1 million or more in recording and publishing) or bands and artists that couldn't find an audience.

It was up to the discretion of the CFO as to how to write those off (this year, spread out over several years, etc.) but it did happen and was expected.

Sweet Daddy Hate 07-09-2013 04:50 PM

Is that book legit?

Is it a new EU series or is it a tie-in leading up to the new movie?

Buehler445 07-09-2013 04:55 PM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud (Post 9801518)
There are ways to make a film that's grossed $400 million dollars appear as a "loser" on the balance sheet and reasons the studio would do so.

One, is so that they're taxable income is significantly lower. Two, is to avoid paying escalators to the talent, e.g., the director and movie stars get "x" percentage if the film earns "x" amount after net income.

Income statement? I'm not sure how it would end up on the balance sheet.

That makes good sense. Tax planning is sound business strategy as long as the auditors are happy.

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud (Post 9801518)
Every studio knows that every film isn't going to resonate with the viewers. Sometimes, those films are scheduled opposite other "blockbusters" in order to make sure that the film is a "loser". Other times, it just happens. At the end of the day, everyone was paid, the studio gets to write-off the loss and everyone goes home happy.

On the music side, we signed songwriters and bands that either sold zero records because their album was never released (even after spending $1 million or more in recording and publishing) or bands and artists that couldn't find an audience.

It was up to the discretion of the CFO as to how to write those off (this year, spread out over several years, etc.) but it did happen and was expected.

So they're not actively seeking losers, right? If during the production or marketing, it looks like it might not do as well, I can see what you're saying. But I still can't see taking on a project that you know is going to lose actual money.

EDIT: Not trying to be a dick. I'm just a business nerd.

CrazyPhuD 07-09-2013 06:32 PM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud (Post 9797084)
I about crapped my pants the first time I saw Rango on Blu-Ray on my 65" Sharp Aquos LCD at Christmas time 2012. The blacks were soooooooooo black, which made everything pop.

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Hammock Parties 07-09-2013 06:33 PM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud (Post 9801397)
Well, someone knows the outline and details to Episode VII

Are you saying they've determined what old L/H/L are going to be like and passed that on to writers?

Hammock Parties 07-09-2013 06:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Sweet Daddy Hate (Post 9801524)
Is that book legit?

Is it a new EU series or is it a tie-in leading up to the new movie?

It's a new standalone book that's already been released.

Apparently it's kind of boring. About L/H/L's final adventure or something. They help Lando fight some kind of corporate war.

CrazyPhuD 07-09-2013 06:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Alex Smith HATER (Post 9801827)
Are you saying they've determined what old L/H/L are going to be like and passed that on to writers?

No the writers used the Schwartz to write the new novels!:D

Hammock Parties 07-09-2013 06:37 PM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud (Post 9801417)
What's not factored in the raw box office receipts is marketing and exhibitor fees. Movie theaters can take up to 30% of the overall take. Marketing can easily surpass $100 million.

Disney spent $175 million marketing "The Lone Ranger", so they've spent more than $400 million on a film that will never earn enough to break even.

I read that they would need to gross 800 million world wide on that turd to make a profit after the cut that theaters take.

Buehler445 07-09-2013 09:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Alex Smith HATER (Post 9801854)
I read that they would need to gross 800 million world wide on that turd to make a profit after the cut that theaters take.

Ouch.

Sweet Daddy Hate 07-09-2013 10:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Alex Smith HATER (Post 9801835)
It's a new standalone book that's already been released.

Apparently it's kind of boring. About L/H/L's final adventure or something. They help Lando fight some kind of corporate war.

God that sounds exciting. Lucas must have had input.

CrazyPhuD 07-09-2013 10:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Alex Smith HATER (Post 9801835)
It's a new standalone book that's already been released.

Apparently it's kind of boring. About L/H/L's final adventure or something. They help Lando fight some kind of corporate war.

Against the Occupy Hoth movement?

Sweet Daddy Hate 07-09-2013 10:12 PM

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Originally Posted by CrazyPhuD (Post 9802462)
Against the Occupy Hoth movement?

'

Why would one want to visit Hoth, much less occupy it?

DaneMcCloud 07-09-2013 10:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Sweet Daddy Hate (Post 9802447)
God that sounds exciting. Lucas must have had input.

LMAO


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