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DaneMcCloud 07-05-2013 11:59 PM
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Originally Posted by Chiefspants (Post 9794032)
It's worth noting that I primarily relied on these two sources for information.

http://blogs.indiewire.com/theplayli...rever-20130524

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0076759/trivia

Here's another fantastic nugget of information:
Dude, you're talking about ideas that are more than 40 years old and never made it into the script.

Do you actually believe that anyone, regardless of the screenwriter, novelist, etc., gets everything pitch perfect on the first draft?

Why do you think there are multiple writers listed on nearly every screenplay and movie released? Why to do you think that "script polishers" exist?

Do you think it's somehow easy to create a film that resonates for 40+ years?

Chiefspants 07-06-2013 12:08 AM
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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud (Post 9794625)
Dude, you're talking about ideas that are more than 40 years old and never made it into the script.

Do you actually believe that anyone, regardless of the screenwriter, novelist, etc., gets everything pitch perfect on the first draft?

Why do you think there are multiple writers listed on nearly every screenplay and movie released? Why to do you think that "script polishers" exist?

Do you think it's somehow easy to create a film that resonates for 40+ years?
Never did I make the claim or even imply that it was "easy" to create a film that resonates for 40+ years. Both A New Hope and The Empire Strikes Back are among my favorite films of all time.

I cited these examples in an attempt to construct an argument that Lucas' ideas can definitely tred on the loopy side. This is in no way a criticism of Lucas' entire filmography, or those who stray to the loopy side (I tend to dabble there myself). However, it's exceedingly clear that more "script polishers" and script "yes men" were required before Lucas pursued the prequel trilogy. In fact, Lucas himself admitted to his inability to create real life dialogue last month.

Is anything I stated unfair?

DaneMcCloud 07-06-2013 12:14 AM
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Originally Posted by Chiefspants (Post 9794635)
I cited these examples in an attempt to construct an argument that Lucas' ideas can definitely tred on the loopy side.
Dude, first off, this information has been available for decades because Lucas himself put it out there. There were multiple drafts and different iterations of Star Wars but all that matter is that Star Wars (and later, A New Hope) were released. They were the final product. Whatever it took for him to get there is just part of the journey.

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Originally Posted by Chiefspants (Post 9794635)
This is in no way a criticism of Lucas, or those who stray to the loopy side (I tend to dabble there myself). However, it's exceedingly clear that more "script polishers" and script "yes men" were required before Lucas pursued the prequel trilogy. In fact, Lucas himself admitted to his inability to create real life dialogue last month
This is actually completely untrue. George has stated time and time again that this was a nine part series and that the technology didn't exist in the 80's in order to complete it.

There was absolutely no way he was going to turn his empire over to a screenwriter, for better or worse.

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Is anything I stated unfair?
Taken completely out of context? Yes.

You know, I see a bunch of you guys bitch about the prequels yet somehow, they earned over $2.5 billion at the box office.

Chiefspants 07-06-2013 12:23 AM
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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud (Post 9794642)
Dude, first off, this information has been available for decades because Lucas himself put it out there. There were multiple drafts and different iterations of Star Wars but all that matter is that Star Wars (and later, A New Hope) were released. They were the final product. Whatever it took for him to get there is just part of the journey.
I believe you are missing the central thesis of my argumentation. I am not using these early drafts to condemn Lucas' early works whatsoever. There are a wide variety of people who wonder how Lucas' somehow created some of the best works of all time before released three (commercially successful) thuds.

Illuminating some of his original ideas demonstrate that he's always had some pretty wild ideas and seems to underline my reasoning that the prequel trilogy did not feature enough peer edits or rewrites before seeing the screen.

You're not honestly going to defend Jar-Jar and the entirety of AOTC, are you?

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This is actually completely untrue. George has stated time and time again that this was a nine part series and that the technology didn't exist in the 80's in order to complete it. There was absolutely no way he was going to turn his empire over to a screenwriter, for better or worse.
Can you clarify this statement? I was saying that Lucas should have hired more "script polishers" not that he did and it took them 20 or so years to produce a somewhat coherent work.

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You know, I see a bunch of you guys bitch about the prequels yet somehow, they earned over $2.5 billion at the box office.
FTR, I'm not arguing that the prequels weren't massive commercial hits. However, that does not mean that my arguments are invalid. I do not really care for this line of reasoning, as it would mean that any Michael Bay extravaganza would be immune to legitimate criticism.

It's also worth pointing out that despite it's immense success at the box office, I seem to recall that you possessed a fair amount of disdain for The Avengers

Chiefspants 07-06-2013 12:26 AM
Dane, we really should stop this fighting (I'm a fan of yours, after all). Can we please spew some hate on Abrams and his boy wonder Lindelof instead?

DaneMcCloud 07-06-2013 12:31 AM
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Originally Posted by Chiefspants (Post 9794649)
I believe you are missing the central thesis of my argumentation. I am not using these early drafts to condemn Lucas' early works whatsoever. There are a wide variety of people who wonder how Lucas' somehow created some of the best works of all time before released three (commercially successful) thuds.

Illuminating some of his original ideas demonstrate that he's always had some pretty wild ideas and seems to underline my reasoning that the prequel trilogy did not feature enough peer edits or rewrites before seeing the screen.

You're not honestly going to defend Jar-Jar and the entirety of AOTC, are you?



Can you clarify this statement? I was saying that Lucas should have hired more "script polishers" not that he did and it took them 20 or so years to produce a somewhat coherent work.

Also, FTR, I'm not arguing that the prequels weren't massive commercial hits. However, that does not mean that my arguments are invalid. I do not really care for this line of reasoning, as it would mean that any Michael Bay extravaganza would be immune to any legitimate criticism.

It's also worth pointing out that despite it's immense success at the box office, I seem to recall that you possessed a fair amount of disdain for The Avengers
Look, Dude, the bottom line is this: Adults don't like the prequels, but kids do.

How many six year olds have told you that The Phantom Menace sucks?

:D

Gadzooks 07-06-2013 01:01 AM
I watched "A New Hope" tonight for the first time in at least a decade. It reminded me how I felt the first time I watched it:
- the casting of Luke was off with Mark Hamill. He came off as a creepy ghey wuss.
- the script made his character seem whiny
- any comedy provided by Han Solo was appreciated but cheesy
- Carrie Fisher was not wearing a bra
- HAN SHOT FIRST!!!
In addition, the inference of incest was disturbing, Alec Guinness > Ewan McGregor, the newly added special effects added by Lucas were distracting and unnecessary and Jabba looks ridiculous in CGI.

That said, the movie is still 100X better than Phantom Menace and 1,000X better than the Clone Wars.

I'm looking forward to what the newly assembled team has in store.

Chiefspants 07-06-2013 01:09 AM
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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud (Post 9794654)
Look, Dude, the bottom line is this: Adults don't like the prequels, but kids do.

How many six year olds have told you that The Phantom Menace sucks?

:D
This actually reminds me of an interview I just watched with Jake Lloyd. He delves into TPM's target audience in what surprisingly turns out to be an entertaining (but rather sad) interview. "Young Anakin" ended up enduring relentless bullying (and was still bullied) over a role he accepted when he was seven years old. Poor guy, anyone would have struggled with that writing.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=?v=LtkM2JPcHPo

Sweet Daddy Hate 07-06-2013 04:36 AM
It's probably for the best that Lucas be removed. The template has been more than set, and it's obvious that other, more creative minds do better work.

DaneMcCloud 07-06-2013 11:50 AM
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Originally Posted by Sweet Daddy Hate (Post 9794711)
It's probably for the best that Lucas be removed. The template has been more than set, and it's obvious that other, more creative minds do better work.
LucasFilm has hired a proven director and an Oscar-winning screenwriter to pen Episode VII. Regardless, there will be a very vocal crowd that will be unhappy about the end result.

From what I understand, Lucas wrote the stories for 7, 8 and 9, so it will be similar to the Indiana Jones movies in which he comes up with the story line and plot points, then a screenwriter actually write the screenplay.

I had a producer and his family over yesterday for a post-4th BBQ/play date and this is what he passed on. Take it for what it's worth:

Spoiler!

Hammock Parties 07-06-2013 12:20 PM
They're getting it wrong already. Fisher should have a cameo as she's the least screenworthy.

Ford and Hamill should be the ones carrying the film.

****.

DaneMcCloud 07-06-2013 12:38 PM
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Originally Posted by Alex Smith HATER (Post 9794980)
They're getting it wrong already. Fisher should have a cameo as she's the least screenworthy.

Ford and Hamill should be the ones carrying the film.

****.
First off, I'm not sure this is 100% accurate. Time will tell. Secondly, it depends on the story, who is cast, etc.

DaneMcCloud 07-06-2013 12:45 PM
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Originally Posted by Alex Smith HATER (Post 9794980)
They're getting it wrong already. Fisher should have a cameo as she's the least screenworthy.

Ford and Hamill should be the ones carrying the film.

****.
One more thing: These movies are not being made for people in their 30's, 40's and 50's. Theyre being made for teens and Pre-teens.

They hired Michael Arndt, screenwriter of Toy Stoy 3, not David Goyer or John Logan.

007 07-06-2013 02:43 PM
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Originally Posted by Alex Smith HATER (Post 9794980)
They're getting it wrong already. Fisher should have a cameo as she's the least screenworthy.

Ford and Hamill should be the ones carrying the film.

****.
HOLY SHIT People gain weight when they get old? We can't make this movie now.:spock:

Setsuna 07-06-2013 02:57 PM
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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud (Post 9795010)
One more thing: These movies are not being made for people in their 30's, 40's and 50's. Theyre being made for teens and Pre-teens.

They hired Michael Arndt, screenwriter of Toy Stoy 3, not David Goyer or John Logan.
If that's the case, go back in the past and make a completely new story with new characters for the teens to grow up with.


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