This team signed players for Depth cause Scott ***** ****ed it.

This is exactly the philosophy you try to build as a team. You're going full reerun.

Draft the best talent you can, fill the holes in free agency.

That's exactly what this team is trying to do right now.

I believe we're looking at an 8-8 season. But that's what you'd hope for one year removed from a 2-14 cluster****.

Would you prefer they sit on their hands and play the game as Pioli did?

Shocking prediction.

Exactly.

And save the Alex Smith compensation, none of the players have been signed to unreasonable contracts.

so he didn't get any bonuses for it? No enhancements? If so, good.

Joeckel's still a turdbag. And we're clearly going to draft Fisher. Not Joeckel.

That doesn't change your sins against Joeckel.

May Joeckel have mercy on your Joeckel.

True. Dan Jeremiah said there is a lot of buzz around the league in KC taking Fishet.

Joeckel is a sniveling old targ, and about as fierce as one. No true warrior fears Luke Joeckel

Dude, players get voted in for no reason all the time. Eric Berry was a probowler last year. BJ Raji was a probowler in 2012. Champ Bailey has been going to the probowl on reputation the past 3-5 years. Brandon Flowers has been an elite corner since he was drafted.

I'm pretty sure I'm the only other one on here that knows what a Targ is.

I don't get it. Lets say hypothetically joekel is as good as albert. You start out with a 1st, a 2nd, and albert. you end up with a 2nd, joekel (albert), and alex smith. Does that mean you basically gave up a 1st for alex smith?

I wasn't serious about the "free agentz = bad football" thing.

I know it takes free agents longer to adapt to new teams because they aren't brought into the team and coached by the same guys and have to adapt to shit, etc. But it's like the whole "USC QBs = poison" thing that people still try to pedal around here.

No reason?

Right.

So the players I listed were elite players during those years? Eric Berry was elite last year?

Well, if there's any kind of bright side, with a Branden Albert trade they could be players for Barkley, Tyler Wilson, or EJ Manuel. Or maybe they have interest in Zac Dysert.

I'm not overly excited about any of those options. But if they went after any of these guys, it would make it hurt a little less.

I guarantee Joeckel and Fisher are better in their first 5 years than Albert.

They are both gonna be top 10 LT's in the near future.

Disagree. He got beat pretty bad quite a few times in 2011.

He's in that 2nd tier IMO.

So they're going to allow less than 5.5 sacks a season? If so, that will put them in Joe Thomas territory. You're saying they're going to be as good or better than Joe Thomas?

https://twitter.com/KarenCivil/statu...175873/photo/1

Ok now i get this.

Jon Snow, Baelor Breakspear, Aemon the Dragonknight, and Daemon Blackfyre say "Hai!"

The link you provided is racist. Just a heads up.

It will be harder for them considering they will be playing in a passing offense.

Albert played in an offense that ran the ball most the time his whole career which helped him out a ton.

Didn't know fixed it with just a pic link

Oh...sounds like the Texas A&M offense. Guess we shouldn't draft Joeckel.

Stating that Pro Bowls don't matter is outright ****ing dumb.

Endorsement deals, whether local or national, contractual escalators and so on all become factors when a player earns Pro Bowl status.

JFC.

Joeckel wasnt even the best tackle on his team.

But hey ! At least we will get a QB with that 2nd rd pick:D Ya think ? Stay tuned:popcorn:

That's fabulous insight, Mort jr.

That's right crackerjack! BOW DOWN! ROFL

Once a-****ing-gain...that has NOTHING TO DO WITH THE CONTEXT OF THIS ARGUMENT!

Why the hell would endorsement deals matter to us?

Answer the question, was Eric Berry elite last year?

According the NFL players, coaches, writers and fans, the answer is an unequivocal "No".

No amount of PFF stats or rationalizations will make that answer change.

So why did he make the probowl?

Thats the whole point of this argument. Making the PB doesn't mean you are elite or not.

Actually he had a lot of success in that system against he best DL/pass rushers in the nation. Probably why they like him so much.

He was an alternate.

And yes, if a player makes the Pro Bowl as a starter, for all intents and purposes, those players are considered "Elite".

Or is there another way you'd like to determine elite players in the NFL that you'd like to share with the NFL?

I doubt it, Joeckel has topped out already, and will get anally raped and if he's the 1st overall pick it's most likely he won't be able to handle the massive backlash he'll receive from Arrowhead when he ****s up epically.

He was not an alternate.


And dude, you've just become a clown this year. You have no opinions of your own.

You seriously watched all 16 chiefs games last year and thought Eric Berry played at elite level? LMAO

Berry was not a alternate.

Houston and Flowers were. However no CB got injured so he couldnt go.

ROFL @ KC. Why should I expect less? It's what this franchise does.
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**** it: I've said it before and I'll say it again; go ahead and put a rook on Alice's blindside. Do it. Make my ****ing day.
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Oh, JFC. I got confused and thought we were talking about Brandon Flowers. ****. My bad.

And yes, my answer still stands. If the NFL thinks a player is elite, it doesn't ****ing matter what someone in Kansas on a message board believes.

Oh, and **** you.

While that poster is an idiot, he is right on with that. Jake Matthews is the better prospect.

I prefer Fisher to Joeckel as well.

I would be surprised if we drafted Joeckel. Fisher I guess is the pick.

Jesus, no wonder I hardly post in football threads.

So I take it Sean Smith is Gochief's Mccluster this year?

GC - Sean Smith will never be good because he is slow and doesn't have elite talent

GC- Find one single link showing a 40 under 4.5

Randoms link two, including a video showing an electric time of 4.47 and pro day link showing 4.43, on the video the announcers are boasting about a 6'3 corner running a 4.47

Random posts that Richard Sherman ran a 4.56

GC- Sherman doesn't have elite speed but is "good", Sherman who is undeniably at minimum the 2nd best corner in the NFL behind Revis and a very debatable #1, "good"...Sherman "good" Sherman "good". Flowers is at minimum "good" and he also happens to be slower than Smith, just like that other "good" corner.

Jesus Christ, just phugging make gifs, that brief stint for that highly regarded publication where you pronounced Cassel a stud really went to your head.

Quit obsessing over one player like a maniac, DMC will be a decent player for Reid, and I bet Sean Smith will too.

Richard Sherman is "good" Gochiefs 4/17/13

I don't like either one. Both are not elite left tackle propsects no matter what the media bullshit says.

So we're pretty much trading our number 1 pick for Alex Smith.



ROFL

Nobody called them elite. Kiper and Mcshay said in a normal draft they would go 15-25

We're getting one regardless, and I am going to be mega pissed if it's the one with T-rex arms and a less than ideal height for the position. I don't give a shit what he did at Texas, that is going to be a major disadvantage in the NFL. Plus the Manziel factor probably helped quite a bit.

FYP.

God Mark Schlereth is saying Luke Joeckel is a cant miss prospect.

Who do you like in the top ten? That's not a loaded question, but you probably know that.

:thumb:

Schlereth was a pudgy wuss when he entered the NFL too. He sees himself in Joeckel.

Matt Barkley
Geno Smith
Dee Milner
Dion Jordan
Shariff Floyd
Star Lotulelei
Sheldon Richardson
Cordarrelle Patterson
Tavon Austin
Chance Warmack

Thats my top 10. Not mock order or where I think they go.

Take out Barkley and Patterson.

Thanks!

You know, I think this opinion will be unpopular, but if the Chiefs kept Albert, I think Austin would be the biggest immediate impact player at 1.1.

For this year, that is true. But I look at the draft who will make the biggest impact 5 years from now.

Well with the new CBA and lack of cap increases, five years might be too much to expect, especially considering the fifth year option has to be activated after year two.

I think the smart teams will look for more immediate impact players even more so than in the past.

Win now, at all cost.

Does make sense. Dolphins didnt want to sign Long because he was asking for too much money and had injury concerns so why would they give us a pick for Albert who is asking for more money than long and also has back problems. Its just some pre draft BS.

The win now mentality of pro sports needs to take a step back and look at aging and stats to see that around age 27 is when thing normally take off for a player especially at quarterback. Look at Rodgers, Flacco, Eli Manning etc. NBA is the even a greater example of this. That is the age that Jordan, Shaq, Larry Bird, LeBron all won their first championship and took off from there. Which I'm sure in about 3 years is when we will see Andrew Luck when a Super Bowl. Its pretty much like clock work this happens yet the media can't seem to grasp it.

I agree. It's just that this new CBA, at least to me, changes everything. And the lack of cap space is really a game changer.

We have the Nancy Graces of football.

Trade Albert, get a second for him. Trade down, grab an LT and BPA.

Profit.

The only **** up is the price for Alex Smith.
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Stupid stupid stupid.

Omar Kelly is Miami's version of Teicher and doesn't really know shit lol

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B. Albert grades out as the 25th OT in '12(17th LT) according to @PFF. He was 11th in pass blocking. 47th in run blocking. @GoZakNeverGoBak

Yeah I think Joeckel or Fisher can do better than that.

My whole point with the Richard Sherman idea was that he doesn't have elite speed but is elite and on the verge of being the best corner in the league.

ROFL he is a puggy whiteboy...oh and I'm white so no that wasn't really race. Who gives a shit

Albert and our 1st overall pick, for the Dolphins 1st.

What an awesome trade

Pretty interesting article on tackles and how productive they are as they age.

http://www.footballperspective.com/d...age/#more-8626

Well this settles it. Joeckel is going to be the greatest lt to ever play now thanks to Tribal's bullshit psychoanalysis.

Not shocking. None of you have watched games of the players you constantly pimp or ridicule on this board.

Why not just add Royr to that elite group for the win?

Cassel absolutely was an alternate. (Hopefully that's who you were discussing)

He was referring to Berry.

Joeckel is one inch shorter than Fisher

Thanks for the info.....This....all of this^^^

Albert and our 1st overall for the Dolphins 1st (12)? ROFL

i hope they sign a veteran FA(s) with the 9 million Albert clears

and I hope TBG is right that the first pick is Fisher, let he and Stephenson battle for LT and flip the loser to RT.

No Fisher plays LT. You don't trade Albert and draft Fisher number 1, only to have him play RT.