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J Diddy 03-18-2014 08:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Buzz (Post 10501234)
Yep, like God teaching algebra to ants, ants wanna know, just not smart enough. Throw in the fact people have a spirit or soul? Science cant begin to touch that.

Two problems with this. First, how do you know ants don't know algebra or even have a better system of mathematical equations than we have. Two, science never claims to know everything. In fact they do the opposite. They say "hey we think this is the way it is and we invite you to prove us wrong in hopes that we get it right."

Three7s 03-18-2014 09:30 PM

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Originally Posted by tmw4h5 (Post 10501230)
This thread sums up why the midwest sucks and why our country is far behind others in science and mathematics.

Science and religion are not mutually exclusive. The big difference that I see is exactly what you saw with Nye vs Ham.

You give Nye evidence and you can change his mind. You give Ham evidence and he points to a book written thousands of years ago and refuses to accept your evidence.

You just had to start, didn't you?

Dave Lane 03-18-2014 10:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Buzz (Post 10501234)
Yep, like God teaching algebra to ants, ants wanna know, just not smart enough. Throw in the fact people have a spirit or soul? Science cant begin to touch that.

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Dave Lane 03-18-2014 10:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Dick Bull (Post 10501247)
Two problems with this. First, how do you know ants don't know algebra or even have a better system of mathematical equations than we have. Two, science never claims to know everything. In fact they do the opposite. They say "hey we think this is the way it is and we invite you to prove us wrong in hopes that we get it right."

This all day long...

hometeam 03-18-2014 10:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Buzz (Post 10501234)
Yep, like God teaching algebra to ants, ants wanna know, just not smart enough. Throw in the fact people have a spirit or soul? Science cant begin to touch that.


That is not a fact :harumph:

Tribal Warfare 03-18-2014 10:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Buzz (Post 10501234)
Yep, like God teaching algebra to ants, ants wanna know, just not smart enough. Throw in the fact people have a spirit or soul? Science cant begin to touch that.

I would like to believe that we have a soul, but it isn't anything tangible that can be proven though. Like information and evidence of the Big Bang for example.

crazycoffey 03-18-2014 10:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Tribal Warfare (Post 10501396)
I would like to believe that we have a soul, but it isn't anything tangible that can be proven though. Like information and evidence of the Big Bang for example.

We'll only know the answer when we can't share the answer

J Diddy 03-18-2014 10:51 PM

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Originally Posted by hometeam (Post 10501390)
That is not a fact :harumph:

Exactly. No ****ing way is it a fact that my first wife had a soul.

tmw4h5 03-18-2014 11:10 PM

I understand the thought process behind religion, spirits/souls, etc, etc.
We are a species that is so far advanced that we have essentially "mastered" our existence in the sense that we don't really have much to truly fear other than ourselves. We are the dominant species on the planet.
But, we've been here for just a fraction of time in relation to the age of our planet, let alone to age of the universe.
Further more, we have this mindset as humans that we are special - there has to be some reason for our existence other than just pure luck. (sorry, but probably not)
We, like every animal, are afraid to die. We say we aren't, but we are. We're afraid that when we die, it's just that - we're dead. We cease to exist. Our thoughts are gone. So, we have created this idea that there is a special afterlife just for us where we can continue to live forever.
It sucks, but realistically, we're just like any other animal.

J Diddy 03-18-2014 11:16 PM

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Originally Posted by tmw4h5 (Post 10501429)
I understand the thought process behind religion, spirits/souls, etc, etc.
We are a species that is so far advanced that we have essentially "mastered" our existence in the sense that we don't really have much to truly fear other than ourselves. We are the dominant species on the planet.
But, we've been here for just a fraction of time in relation to the age of our planet, let alone to age of the universe.
Further more, we have this mindset as humans that we are special - there has to be some reason for our existence other than just pure luck. (sorry, but probably not)
We, like every animal, are afraid to die. We say we aren't, but we are. We're afraid that when we die, it's just that - we're dead. We cease to exist. Our thoughts are gone. So, we have created this idea that there is a special afterlife just for us where we can continue to live forever.
It sucks, but realistically, we're just like any other animal.

“A myth is a way of making sense in a senseless world. Myths are narrative patterns that give significance to our existence.”
― Rollo May

crazycoffey 03-19-2014 12:00 AM

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Originally Posted by Dick Bull (Post 10501437)
“A myth is a way of making sense in a senseless world. Myths are narrative patterns that give significance to our existence.”
― Rollo May

Could be, and realism is harsh enough to probably confirm it.

The thought of being special though, is unique to humans, poetry, love (sex for pleasure not just procreation). The extras over and beyond just animalistic instincts to survive or live.

Dogs have been companions to mankind since the written word, yet humans have dreamt and see the dreams fullfilled; air travel, internal combustion, jet propulsion, travel to the moon, see the ripples created by the birth of the universe on a telescope.....

It's hard to accept some realities, but humans not having a special quality and are just like any other animal, not true.

Does that mean any of the religions are right? I didn't say that....

Dave Lane 03-19-2014 12:48 AM

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Originally Posted by crazycoffey (Post 10501462)
Could be, and realism is harsh enough to probably confirm it.

The thought of being special though, is unique to humans, poetry, love (sex for pleasure not just procreation). The extras over and beyond just animalistic instincts to survive or live.

Dogs have been companions to mankind since the written word, yet humans have dreamt and see the dreams fullfilled; air travel, internal combustion, jet propulsion, travel to the moon, see the ripples created by the birth of the universe on a telescope.....

It's hard to accept some realities, but humans not having a special quality and are just like any other animal, not true.

Does that mean any of the religions are right? I didn't say that....

The thought of wanting o be special is somewhat unique to humans. All other emotions you listed including sex for pleasure are demonstrated by members of the animal kingdom. Oh yeah and they dream too, they just don't have opposable thumbs to be able to build stuff.

'Hamas' Jenkins 03-19-2014 01:14 AM

"What created the universe? What made the sparks?"--dumb ****s offended by the mirror suggestion, "Who created God?"

J Diddy 03-19-2014 01:17 AM

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Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins (Post 10501476)
"What created the universe? What made the sparks?"--dumb ****s offended by the mirror suggestion, "Who created God?"

I don't know that anyone is offended. Are you?

Tribal Warfare 03-19-2014 02:09 AM

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Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins (Post 10501476)
"What created the universe? What made the sparks?"--dumb ****s offended by the mirror suggestion, "Who created God?"

If you want to get to the literal since, humans did. Allah, Christian God, Jewish God, Greek/Roman Gods, and The Flying Spaghetti Monster are examples of different perceptions and beliefs of a omnipresence .


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