and another one...

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CD3rS_rUIAIYQqN.jpg

Not sure what side you're wanting me to pick.

You don't think Shane Ray is a first round talent. I do. We disagree there.

You don't think the Bronco's in general are good evaluators of talent. Seconded. We agree there.


And, BTW, you're public enemy #1 here because you lie about things and then when you're called out on it you try and deflect or change the subject.

Honestly, you admitting you were wrong a few minutes ago in this thread is the first time I have seen that in the two years I have been posting here.

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Not my post. Not sure what that has to do with me?

Help me out here though.

Shane Ray is a 1st round talent but the Broncos made a mistake by drafting him correct?

Because according to you they aren't good talent evaluators.

He's going to be a stud. It's interesting that the guy who mailed it in during his college career after his draft status was secure won ROTY while his teammate who was made to play hurt by his coach never saw the court due to injury.

He's trying to make an equivalent of making a prediction before circumstances change vs stating a fact that is obviously and demonstrably incorrect at the time of the statement.

oh, I thought you were talking about Sheldon Richardson.

Yeah. He got busted for weed, and it cost him a dozen or so spots in the draft. Dude made a dumb choice. I wish my dumb choices left me a millionaire in my early twenties.

Bambi's post wasn't yours either. We will wait patiently for you to lash out at SaulGood for being wrong and not owning up to his failure.

I never claimed the Broncos made a mistake by drafting him. That is your claim.

In general, I don't believe they are. That doesn't mean that their team can't inevitably hit on a good pick. Hell, Pioli was a terrible evaluator of talent when he was with the Chiefs. I'm pretty sure everyone here would agree with that. But he did make a couple REALLY damn good picks. Now whether that was him, his associates, luck of the draw? I'm not privy to that info.


But you can't honestly be arguing that a team that has poor talent evaluation will NEVER make a good pick in the draft, can you? That is just dumb.

As the old saying goes, even a blind squirrel finds a nut once in a while.

See Post #6166 from Sully.

Ray has been in trouble with drugs before while at Mizzou.

Why would this change anything?

Obviously it didn't. Foot thing probably had more of an effect.

Ray was arrested and got in trouble for drugs while at Mizzou? Where are you and Bitch getting this information? You should tell someone in the media.

So why didn't the Chiefs "jump up" to get him?

They already know.

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Probably hoping Benny Hinn drops to them in the second round...

Because a lot of guys have gone through this crap in college (dumb decisions early in their college career) and have turned out okay.

Most are smart enough not to get caught with the stuff 3 days before the draft. Shane Ray was not. He is paying the price in lost $$$$$$$. That is on him.


That still doesn't take away from the fact that the dude is a legit first round talent. Just needs to make better decisions going forward.

Tamba Hali, Justin Houston, and Shane Ray have all been busted for weed? Maybe they need to tell Dee Ford to blow a few bongs.

Do you understand football?

Saul said Ray "would look great in red"

Does he not understand football?

He would. We had a bigger need at CB given the fact that we have Houston, Hali, and Ford. Football is great. You should watch it sometime.

I've got a solid source telling me that the Chiefs are confident that Benny Hill will still be on the board when our next pick rolls around. /crosses fingers

Everyone in this thread understands football.

That's why everyone is sitting at a desk posting in this thread.

Did he say, "Only Ray would look good in red?"

Ben Heeney would be great to have around just for the quotes.

“I'm planning on getting drafted. But even if I don’t get drafted, I don’t even care." -Ben Heeney

“It’s a bullshit stat. I don’t care about that stat. It’s not like freaking Joe Schmoe is going through every single college football player and counting all their missed tackles. It’s an inaccurate stat.” -Ben Heeney

“Most guys on the team probably thought we weren’t going to win the game. That’s the attitude that has been around this program. I think for me and guys like JaCorey, to go out and play with as much heart as we did, knowing that there’s slim to no chance that we’re going to win the game week in and week out" -Ben Heeney

I'm out of town on business. Can we still look at picking up Shane Ray in the fourth round?

"Ray would look good in red"

-why? We already have pass rushers

"I know. He'd look really stylish standing on the sidelines in our pretty red uniforms"

You just aren't very smart. Did you attend kU? (Do they pay you to make sure you don't admit if you did?)

Unfortunately, another team "traded way up" to snag him before we had a chance.

No he was available.

We didn't need to trade any picks. He went right on by.

Your posts should be in the epic fail thread...mods can we get this moved?

Oh no, it wasn't a fail at all.

Why pick him in the first when he's going to slide multiple rounds, eh?

Apparently that's what the Chiefs thought.

Damn, what a miss on evaluating talent by us.

They have three stud pass rushers already. Are you that clueless?

We could really use an ILB. Will Heeney fall to us in the second round?

I've heard he's going to have a better career than Shane Ray. You've got to like a guy who knows he has no chance to win, doesn't care if he's drafted, and the last Linebacker we had who was incredibly reckless behind the wheel ended up being a great player.

He might but why would we draft him?

We already passed on Ray who was a top 10 talent.

Might as well pass on Heeney too. Shoot, maybe the Broncos will get him.

Where do you think Heeney will be drafted?

Will Heeney be drafted?

Is Heeney one of the most talked about draft prospects? If so, by whom?

We passed on an OLB because it's easily the deepest position on our roster. We are woefully inadequate at ILB. When you have a chance to draft a guy who is going to be better than a first rounder, don't you have to take him?

#5 ILB while Ray was #3 OLB according to FOX.

Who knows though, I don't work for an NFL team.

http://www.foxsports.com/nfl/story/n...osition-042715

lol, Denver has Von Miller and Demarcus Ware and drafted him.

but hey, get him in that red and gold no?

Saul is. He said Ray would "look great in Red"

So the Broncos gave up their #28 overall pick plus their fifth round pick, plus their 2016 fifth round pick, plus Manny Ramirez for the right to draft Shane Ray.

This brings up an interesting question...

Will Ben Heeney be drafted before or after the fifth round pick this year that was packaged with the first round pick, next year's fifth rounder, and Manny? Is KU's best prospect in years more or less valuable than one of the tiny pieces used to move up in the draft to select Ray?

Hell, maybe the Lions will draft Benny with that pick.

The sad thing is that very few people care about this troubled kid's draft fortunes. Hell...according to him, even HE doesn't care.

He would. Doesn't mean we need him as much as we needed a corner, though.

Why would he look great standing on the sideline?

Just thought I'd drop these two in here, since you didn't answer any of my three questions (questions, by the way, you have answered previously and are running away from right now).

More questions...

Do you believe that, for instance, the number 3 running back would be equal to the number 3 safety?
Why or why not?

Why did the kU football program allow a player on their team who had endangered other peoples' lives on more than one occasion? Why are they so out of control?

Thanks in advance!

But will he look good in neon?

http://worldonline.media.clients.ell...b13517ef7e2ccf

So you're saying that Denver has an elite pass rusher in his prime, an aging star, and just drafted a first rounder from the SEC in the mid-late first round? That reminds me of a team...

Can somebody on Chiefs Planet please help me figure out what team that sounds like?

Not if he's just standing on the sideline.

Well they don't need CBs, that's for sure.

Dee Ford and Shane Ray.

Yep, sounds about right... These SEC "stars" are really killin it in the NFL lately.

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That must be why only 7 SEC players were taken in the first 25 picks.

Solid 3rd place finish. Just like in real life.

OOh!!


Actualy football talk!!
Hooray, and I congratulate you for realizing there is actually a game!!


What about Ray's play that you've seen makes you think he is going to be like Dee Ford? In what ways do you think they are similar or different?

And the Big 12 was tied with the American conference. Fun contest.

Dee Ford (23rd): 6-2 252, 4.59 forty, 35" vertical, 10.4" broad, 10.5 sacks
Shane Ray(23rd): 6-3 249, 4.59 forty, 33" vertical, 10.0" broad, 14.5 sacks



It's a real shock Ray was selected where Ford was. Lulz

Not included in the top 4. Just like in real life.

Thank you for their measurements.

Any comment on how their play is similar and/or different?

Tell that to Bambi. He's the only one who seems surprised.

Underwhelming SEC linebackers?

Dee Ford and Ben Heeney each had 1.5 sacks and 1 pass defended last year. Heeney should have gone 23rd overall.

So underwhelming that they were both first round draft picks. Of course, they're following in the footsteps of SEC first round picks Von Miller, Justin Houston, and CJ Mosley...all pro bowl linebackers in 2015.

Sure got a lot of footsteps to take before they get there.

Who knows, maybe a couple KU players will drop out this year and let some mizzou guys play in the pro bowl.

No, just chucking at Saul's assessment we'd have to "trade way up" to draft the next Dee Ford.

oh and nice try slipping Von Miller in as an "SEC" player.

Might want to get your facts straight before lying again.

Yeah. You definitely have a good sense of humor when it comes to trades. Got your Royal blue Justin Upton jersey yet?

You mean his assessment made long before a final decision about his foot was made, and before a ticket for a misdemeanor was given? Yeah, thanks for keeping that in check.

How do you feel about the following assessments:

Ben Heeney will be picked right around Shane Ray

Ben Heeney is one of the most talked about players in the draft

No team wants any part of Shane Ray.



Any comment on those assessments, since there has been virtually no change in Heeney as a prospect in the time since those statements were made and right now?

Oh shit. Someone must have hacked Bambi's account. He has referred to Andy Dalton as a Big 12 QB in the past, so this clearly wasn't posted by him.

Mods, can we just shut down this account to prevent further fraudulent posts?

Wickedson pimping Ben Heeney is as predictable as the ****ing sun rise.

Obviously, the best idea analysing MU-KU draftees is to take SaulGood and Bambi and just average them out. That's what I did, and it seems to be working.

I'm sure that's the answer to some question. But it certainly isn't the answer to any of mine. But I assumed you'd pass, as it would force you to be honest, or tell tall tales at slapstick proportions.

I was predicting the 10-12 range before his weed incident. Bambi said 4th round after it. He actually went a little higher than I would have guessed when it was all said and done. Hell, I thought he might slip into the second.

Of course, Bambi thought he was going to land in Benny Hinn territory. I wonder how many more former Mizzou players will be drafted before Speed Racer hears his name called. (At least 2 would be my guess).

Tags are hilarious. The fact that they are listed numerical and alphabetically "1-10" will always be listed first.

Well done mods. Troll effort 10/10

WTF are you talking about?

Why would he drop? You said it was just a minor traffic ticket.

He would, but it isn't a position of need. Both are talents worth a mid 1st round selection. The troubled corner they picked mixes talent with filling a hole.

Closing thread for performance issues.