Doug Williams

those guys are yawns that had one or two good seasons. Cunningham was garbage

the Trent dilfer of black qbs

I wasn't a huge Cunningham fan but garbage really?

ROFL

How do you define "success?"

Jeff Blake was a very good QB who played on a bad team and so probably never achieved the success he was capable of.

Doug Williams won a SB after finally escaping Tampa Bay. Had he been drafted by the Redskins, maybe he's a future HOFer.

Cunningham's Eagles teams had the unfortunate fate of playing second fiddle to the Cowboys in the early 90s.

That guy was a franchise QB, no doubt.

If we're sitting here in 10 years and Geno has amassed 30,000 passing yards and 200 TD, you really gonna complain?

Cunningham was 82-52 as an NFL starter. But yeah he was "garbage."

Get the **** out.

In 1992, Moon played only 11 games due to injuries, but still managed to lead the Oilers to a 10–6 record, including a victory over the Buffalo Bills in the final game of the season

In 1990, Moon led the league with 4,689 passing yards. He also led the league in attempts (584), completions (362), and touchdowns (33), and tied Dan Marino's record with nine 300-yard games in a season. That included throwing for 527 yards against Kansas City on December 16, 1990, the second most passing yard ever in a single game

if Cunningham was white he would've been a shittier version of Tony Romo

99.9999% chance a 24 year old Tom Brady isn't walking through that door, I'll take Geno Smith.

I second that.

Warren Moon.

look, I'm not saying Geno can't be good. He just isn't going to be.

He wasn't really black, he played white i tell ya.

Warren Moon.

Well I'm not convinced. one dude in the history of the nfl and a handful of just guys... give me Te'o

:fear:

Completely transparent trolling. Yawn.

Hey reaper, where do you tan?

****ing nowhere, brah. Fear the alabaster penii.

Clay!! PLease put all these awesome Geno GIFs in one post!!!

So, I thought this was interesting regarding 'non-elite' first round QB prospects. I think these two guys look a lot at the pre-draft point to the top 2 guys this year. I'll post the whole scouting report, but pay particular attention to the positive/negative sections:

11-13-2005, 01:26 PM
Pre-Draft Profiles of Drew Brees and Philip Rivers, provided by http://nfldraftscout.com (http://nfldraftscout.com/)

#15 QB Drew Brees, Purdue, 6-0/213/4.83
Class/Draft Year: Sr/2001
Projected Round: 1-2
Rated number 2 out of 28 QB's

Overview
The unquestioned leader of the Boilermakers’ offense and one of the school’s most decorated athletes...The three-year starter shattered virtually every school passing record and also made his marks on the Big Ten Conference and NCAA Division 1-A record charts...Ranks fourth in NCAA annals with 1525 pass attempts, 942 pass completions and 11,815 yards in total offense (NCAA does not recognize bowl stats)...Including post-season action, he holds the Boilermaker and conference career-records with 1026 completions of 1678 passes for 11,792 yards, 90 touchdown tosses and 12,692 yards in total offense...His pass completion percentage of .611 set another Purdue all-time record...Only player in Big Ten Conference history to throw for over 500 yards in a game twice in a career...Threw for over 400 yards seven times, over 300 yards sixteen times and over 200 yards twenty-seven times during his career...Tied Wisconsin tailback Ron Dayne’s (1996-99) Big Ten Conference record by earning Player of the Week honors eight times during his career.

Analysis
Positives... Touch passer with the ability to read and diagnose defensive coverages...Confident leader who knows how to take command in the huddle...Very tough and mobile moving around in the pocket...Has a quick setup and is very effective throwing on the move... Throws across his body with great consistency...Hits receivers in stride and improvises his throws in order to make a completion...Puts good zip behind the short and mid-range passes...Shows good judgement and keen field vision...Has a take-charge attitude and is very cool under pressure...Hits receivers in motion with impressive velocity...Has superb pocket presence and uses all of his offensive weapons in order to move the chains...Has solid body mechanics and quickness moving away from center...Elusive scrambler with the body control to avoid the rush.
Negatives...Plays in the spread offense, taking the bulk of his snaps from the shotgun...Tends to side-arm his passes going deep...Lacks accuracy and touch on his long throws...Seems more comfortable in the short/intermediate passing attack...Does not possess the ideal height you look for in a pro passer, though his ability to scan the field helps him compensate in this area...Will improvise and run when the passing lanes are clogged, but tends to run through defenders rather than trying to avoid them to prevent unnecessary punishment.

Combine Results
Height: 6' 0"
Weight: 213
40 Yard Dash: 4.83
20 Yard Dash: 2.75
10 Yard Dash: 1.66
20 Yard Shuttle: 4.21
3-Cone Drill: 7.09
Vertical Jump: 32"
Broad Jump: 8'9"
Wonderlic: 34

Campus Agility Tests
40-yard dash: 4.67
Bench press: 275 lbs.
Squat: 475 lbs.
Power Clean: 275 lbs.
Arm length: 31 ¼”
Hands: 10”

#17 QB Philip Rivers, North Carolina State, 6-5/229/5.08
Class/Draft Year: Sr/2004
Projected Round: 1
Rated number 3 out of 57 QB's

Overview
The second-leading passer in NCAA history with 13,484 career passing yards, breaking school and Atlantic Coast Conference records, he also set an NCAA record with 51 career starts at quarterback...Philip finished second in NCAA history with 13,582 career yards of total offense...He tied for fifth in NCAA history with 95 career touchdown passes and also broke school and ACC career-records for passing attempts (1710), pass completions (1147), touchdowns responsible for (112), 300-yard passing games (18) and 400-yard passing games (7)...Philip started all 51 games (including 2000-01 bowls) of his four years and threw for at least 100 yards in every contest while posting a 34-17 career record as the starter. He is the first quarterback in ACC history, and the seventh in the history of the NCAA, to throw for 3000 yards in three different seasons...He completed 110 of 161 passes in four bowl games for 1,202 yards, 10 touchdowns, three interceptions and rushed for 65 yards...His jersey number 17 was retired before his last home game, (11/22/03) vs. Maryland...The most decorated passer in school annals, he also excelled in the class room, graduating with a degree in Business (12/18/03), four days before suiting up for the final time for the Wolf- pack.

Analysis
Positives...Has a tall, linear build with adequate body thickness and good size for his position...Shows good arm strength and velocity...Very smart athlete who makes proper judgements (rarely throws into traffic)...Has great poise and pocket presence, as he will stand tall and deliver under pressure...Takes control in the huddle and is very respected by his teammates...Displays above average ball placement in the short area passing game and throws a very catchable ball, knowing exactly when to zip the pigskin and when to show touch...Has a natural feel for when he needs to slide out of the pocket and avoid the pass rush...seems to always be in sync with his receivers, doing an excellent job in timing his tosses and anticipating when to hit his targets in stride...Has a keen understanding of the offense, keeiping his head on a swivel as he checks down the line...Vocal leader who words hard in the weight room and practices...Highly competitive type who is not afraid to "mix it up" when defenders get over-aggressive...Has the body strength to fight off pressure and get free from the blitz...More comfortable in the short-to-intermediate passing game, displaying incredible accuracy..Not fast, but can buy time with his feet and maintains his accuracy throwing on the move (his precision allows him to squeeze the ball into tight areas)...Will need mechanical refinement, but much like Brett Favre, this kid is a flat-out winner.
Negatives...Won't ever hurt you by running the ball, but has enough foot quickness and hip swerve to elude the rush and throw on the move...Needs to work on his foot quickness in his drops, but has made steady improvement in recent years...Throws the ball with a sidearm motion, but he can improvise and make plays with his creativity...Will struggle with his long tosses, as the ball will sail and hang on him (his best way to get the ball deep is through an awkward wind-up delivery)...His unorthodox style sees him keep the ball at his waist, displaying a low release, but he has good timing.

Combine Results
Wonderlic: 30

Campus Agility Tests
40-yard dash: 5.08
Bench press: 375 lbs.
Power clean: 290 lbs.
Vertical jump: 33"
Broad jump: 9'8"
Arm length: 31 1/4"
Wonderlic: 29/35
Right handed

So-I'm not saying that Barkley is going to be Drew Brees, or that Geno is going to be Phillip Rivers. Just that here's a couple of guys that we KNOW, and here's what was said about them pre-draft. A lot of the same things are being said about Smith and Barkley. Just keeping it all in perspective, yo.

D'oh-murr

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I'm in love.

A couple of real gem comments in there.

Geno Smith on why he chose WV over his home state teams, Fla, Fla st, etc: " West Virginia needed me. I wanted to go somewhere where they needed me and could build up the program, and help them become a national contender."

We need you, Geno.

The needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few. Or the one.

I will follow him.

Loved that and this one:

EG: "Do you feel any added pressure to live beyond expectations of what you did last year"?

Geno: "My offensive line does a tremendous job of keeping me upright, keeping me clean. My wide receivers do a good job of making me look great.

Ya know, I'm gonna make the same routine plays that I've been making and not try to get ahead of myself, or try to prove to people, 'Yea this is what I do,' because that's being an egotistical person; that's being selfish.

Ya know, I've got things up my sleeve that I'll use later in the game, ya know; I'll just bait you in and show you things you've seen on tape and when the time is right, I'll strike."

I don't know why, but I loved this. Confident but respectful.

Those are the words of a young man who knows he has untapped potential.

He's itching for MOAR.

JFC.
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Wait, SAUTO endorsing a GoChiefs post?

END OF DAYS

If your not a complete and total ass clown you know that being black or white has absolutely **** all to do with ability to play quarterback. Anyone suggesting otherwise is just.plain.ignorant.

It's called putting the ball between 3 defenders where only the receiver can get it and having the receiver make a play on the ball. All while under pressure so at the very least he doesn't lose yardage. Pretty impressive play in my opinion.

If he puts that pass high his receiver is killed for catching that.

Not only does he know it, hes proven it. Its not a case of the classic underachiever this time boys and girls. Geno is NOT the guy who everyone says can do so much but doesn't live up to it, hes the guy who has PROVEN it through hard work and ballin out of ****in control. Geno has gotten better every single year since high school. FACT!

ROFL

KC can probably get this guy for a 6th round pick:

Nice bulk and a solid frame...Good athlete...Arm strength is more than adequate and can make all the throws...Good mechanics and delivery with a quick release...Terrific accuracy...Really anticipates well and displays nice touch and timing...Will buy time in the pocket and make plays with his feet...Can throw on the run...Good ball skills...Intelligent with a high football IQ...Recognizes blitzes, can read coverages and go through his progressions...Product of a pro style offense...Is tough, fiery and super competitive...Truly loves the game...Excellent work ethic...A team leader and field general...Media savvy...Still has upside.

no, you didn't

you haven't watched him play...but thanks for posting old scouting reports

we all value your ignorant opinion

thankfully, the days where we do stupid shit like draft a LB #1 are over, and dipshits like you are out of luck...

I was just watching that on TV last week (Search For Spock).

I forgot how Christopher Lloyd made such a shitty Klingon

I know he would never say this, but I really was hoping Eddie George would ask Geno Smith, "Okay, so you know the Kansas City Chiefs? You might end up going there, right? Currently they have a need at QB. What type of chess piece would you say Matt Cassel is to that team right now?"

Geno: "That dude's the middle rank pawn that gets killed in the first few moves so you can better advance your knights and bishops, man. He's expendable garbage."

This thread totally went to tardville overnight.

LMAO

Agreed.

Focus on teh gifs.

http://i.imgur.com/MVLqh.gif

JFC. MOAR!!!!!

Gif'd up Dark Chocolate style.....love it. This board will bow down and we shall deliver the message.

Wow awesome.

He definitely has some gunslinger in him... And I like that. Would be a nice change from what we've seen for years.

I will admit that is a dangerous ass pass. It takes some stones to throw it into that window.

I'm demanding more discussion of these three GIFs. Hop to it.

http://i.imgur.com/OfN4t.gif

http://i.imgur.com/X4erl.gif

http://i.imgur.com/AAh8K.gif

even after 30 years, the thought of drafting a QB scares the shit out of chiefs fans

hence the well worn "QB X isn't good enough" (too risky!) and "we should trade down and take the 43rd best qb" (too risky!)


just new messengers for the same sad message

Incredible pocket presence. I thought you were supposed to turtle up and shit ye pants when the rush comes bearing down????

GIF 1 - Shows me toughness. Had to take a hit to get the ball off. And he did it. Also, good mobility in the pocket.

GIF 2 - Nice looking off the DBs. Came back to a perfect throw over the middle.

GIF 3 - Pure arm strength throw. Couldn't step into it because of defender.

All in all really good stuff.

Couldn't ask for better ball placement.

You mean, it is possible for a QB to throw a ball to a spot where only HIS guy can catch it??!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?

UNPOSSIBLE!

I don't know what Geno is doing in those three gifs, but whatever it is it makes my dick hard

A little too much "black" in those throws/Slappy

LMAO

There are a ton of great photos of Genormous on zimbio.

Click "zoom" and then right click, copy image URL to get hi-res.

http://www.zimbio.com/photos/Geno+Sm...ia/xNaBK6J8hUE

http://www4.pictures.zimbio.com/gi/G...aBK6J8hUEx.jpg

I found this very illuminating....Thank You...your insight is appreciated!

Come to the Darkside burt

Dat throwin motion

http://www.cbssports.com/images/coll...mithSplash.JPG

You might even catch some rhythm and your dick will grow....LMAO

That 3rd GIF is a PERFECT example of an NFL-caliber throw.

The WR is NOT wide open, as people often say Geno's WRs always are. That's pretty good trail coverage. There's only one window in which to put the ball.

And the throw is PERFECT.

1) Clay, if you look long enough, you could make a gif even making Stanzi look good.

2) I NEVER know what total douche nozzles PGM, SNR and Keg were....glad I know.

3) Douche nozzles or not....they have swayed me to the dark side.

4) Still think ideas "outside the box" merit discussion, even when "late to the party" and not vulgar low brow responses(which I lowered myself to)

5) I am still currently amazed at the lack of reading and comprehension skills on this board.

I NEVER said "I disagree", nor say Smith was bad. I questioned his ability IN THE NFL...but every college player has that unknown! These comments were met with loud arguments that contained completely false statements, and vulgar name calling. If ANY person with an average IQ or above actually read this....they could see how incredibly obtuse you guys were. If you doubt this statement, I encourage you to go back and re-read....you will find that I am correct!

and THAT, sir, could harm some innocent women......

But Domer said he wasn't accurate. So that's obviously a fluke play

You forgot to call him a cum belching gutter snipe.......

Smith's best quality, beyond his accuracy, and his deep throws (best in college), is that his eyes are always down field...pressure doesn't rattle him

look at the gifs...he is always looking down field for a WR

it's even more impressive watching it snap to snap during a game

QBs that 'feel' the pressure look down at their feet, or the line of scrimmage, at which point the play is fubar usually...

I'm not sure it's a skill you can teach either, it's a disposition...you have it or you don't...Smith has it

He has 11,000 yards, 96 TD and 21 INT for his college career.

I don't have to look hard for Geno looking good.

He also has a career completion percentage of 67.4.

You know who else completed 67 percent of their passes in college?

Andrew Luck and Bob Griffin 3.

i encourage you to throw yourself into a vat of aids

if you had ever watched him play, you wouldn't need to depend on 3 gifs out of his entire career to inform your worthless opinion...

but you seem to really want to tell us something about Smith, for some reason...

Nobody should question his arm or ability to throw.

His arm is awesome

It will be all the mental and intangible stuff that will make or break him.

I still wonder about the speed of his delivery, would like to see that clock on it.


to be fair, EVERY qb draft prospect has to prove the mental/intangible stuff on the NFL level. You never now whether they will adapt or implode.

My point is valid and you know it!!! And so are your quoted points!! I am on board!

and, you ****tard, still can't read.

Oh shit! You are in for it now!!!LMAOLMAO

Why do you not want to see the Chiefs be great, Burt?

doesn't help that you cut out the good stuff on your quote


bastige :cuss:


:)

Please, do yourself a favor and actually learn to read.....

Exactly why the new CBA is set up perfectly for us to find our guy. There will always be a possibility of someone not working out, but you have to try.

The only other concern I have is I would like to see his drop back motion. I can look past it because of his pocket maneuverability, that trends to translate, but I wouldn't mind seeing it.

Don't be scurred Burt......If the pundits say Geno is top 10, why is he not good enough to be #1? Who else in the pundit's top 10 blows you away? You take Geno and don't look back. Wilson's concussuions scare me and he didn't really impress me based on the hype. Glennon seems OK....Barkley sucks...I like Bray and Mariota but he is not eligible for the draft. I think it is fear of a black QB for some people....

I'm a Geno Smith fan, but the completion percentage argument isn't a strong one for college. Tim Tebow and Colt McCoy completed greater than 67% of their passes in college.

Your right, every college kid drafted is an unknown commodity. Its all a gamble. Thats what the draft is.

Teams draft most top 10 and 1st round picks based on potential and measurables. They are playing the odds because usually, the biggest, strongest, fastest have the highest probability of success. Lower round picks you start bringing intangiles into the equation.

Geno has not had any injuries that I know of and doesn't appear to be injury prone...has good size...can throw the shit out of the ball and can change the game with one throw...