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The CW: New Green Arrow TV Show ( with new actor)
(https://www.chiefsplanet.com/BB/showthread.php?t=259671)
No one watch this anymore? More Olicity drama...and darkh in trial
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Well we still don't know who he visit at the grave site?
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That Olicity shit was absolute dog crap. Worst part of the show, IMO. Reason why I haven't watched this season.
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I think the problem with Arrow right now is that Flash is doing what Flash does so much better. Arrow is just....dark and broody, almost a parody of itself at this point. They need something like they did at the beginning of Flash on Tuesday, everybody going out and having some fun. It's all relationship drama between all the characters, flashbacks to the magic island or everybody trying to figure out how to get Damien Darhk. There's not really much else going on, nothing in the way of either relief or catharsis week-to-week.
But I still watch and I still like... |
I still watch Arrow and mostly like it, even if Ollie is a stone cold idiot. The writers kinda do need to get their shit together. But I'm still a fan.
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The problem with "Arrow" is that ultimately Green Arrow isn't that interesting of a character. He's Bruce Wayne with a bow. In the early comics his weaponry was Green Lantern level buffoonery (GL would make a giant green fist, GA would have a "boxing arrow"). In the later comics his dislike for Superman mirrored Batman's. The TV show has basically been Batmanized and they're running out of places to take it.
The chicks are ****ing hot, though. |
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The whole Felicity issue is kinda ****ed up. I mean this whole "boo hoo, you lied to me" bit is childish. They need to sew that up quick and move on with the show. Add in the fact that not having Felicity with Oliver is ****ed up and having her on the team without them together is equally ****ed up at this point. They need to fix the relationship, and get to something exciting. I don't want to watch year 57 of Dallas. |
Still thought it was hilarious when Felicity was dumping Oliver and was able to stand and then slowly creeped out the door. Lol..hilarious scene... So awkward. But yes...she's acting stupid now
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How lame did you guys find this past episode? Bee robots? Kill em with the high pitched annoyance... Nothing relevant to anything that's been going on really happened. Felicity is still being a bitch.
The asides to the past gave us a marginal clue about the history with the totem and where Darhk gets his powers though. Like I said, it always eventually ties in. |
This hashtag is all over Twitter.... #NoLaurelNoArrow
They really gonna kill her off now? |
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Potential paparazzi-generated spoiler.
Supposedly we find out whoever it is in the grave tonight. Possibly not-related, Katie Cassidy is appearing in the penultimate Flash episode this season as an Earth-2 version of Laurel. |
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Also anger how the show keeps going downhill due to Olicity bs |
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I quit watching it this year. Season 1 was great, ever since then, it's gotten dumber and dumber(sorry comic fans, if it floats your boat, good for you, just not my thing). And Laurel always irritated me, so good if those rumors are true.
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Holy shit they did it...last 2 episodes they used her up and did it. I'm kind've pissed actually
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It's a play. Oliver dosed her with something. She asked him for something, the production switched the shot to outside the window so we can't hear what it is and then suddenly she's dying. I'm not sure what exactly the point is. Felt like a classic misdirect. I think Oliver had to oversell his reaction, especially to her dad, presumably so that they can pull off whatever scheme it is and convince everyone she's gone.
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Although after reading some articles with Guggenheim and Cassidy it sounds like she really is dead.
If that's the case, there was some bad post-production there at the end. Anyway, I never particularly liked the character so I'm not all that upset. Always wished Sara had stayed instead of her. |
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@drawandstrike: Look think about it.
1) Laurel is gonna be fine 2) She asks Oliver to promise her something 3) She 'suddenly' has a seizure & dies #Arrow |
To be honest I don't believe she's dead. I've seen far too many "deaths" lately that turn out not to be actually dead. Until I see a body with dirt being shoveled over it I'll remain skeptical. She was doing fine - switch to outside of window shot with her and Oliver talking intently - switch back to shot of her suddenly convulsing for no apparent reason. I think they had a plan to fake her death to keep her safe till it's over.
I posted this on the Blu-ray forum right after the show was over. She may not be a regular anymore but I doubt that she's dead.(IMO) |
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if she isn't dead then what a horrible thing to do to her father. While I don't like the idea of killing her off, she needs to stay dead. I'm tired of shows like this killing people then bringing them back to life.
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It sounds like she's dead. I don't think it's a swerve after reading several interviews. It was just awkward editing making it look like Ollie did something. Whatever she told him is supposed to pay off next season.
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Review that I'm in agreement with. http://www.forbes.com/sites/erikkain.../#72607e877509
APR 7, 2016 @ 12:13 PM37,770*VIEWS Arrow Is Dead, And Olicity Killed It Erik Kain CONTRIBUTOR I write about the intersection of entertainment and technology. Spoilers through Season 4 of ‘Arrow’ follow. Credit: CW Much more than a beloved character died for me in last night’s*Arrow. No, Laurel wasn’t the only victim of this atrocity.*Arrow,*the show itself, just jumped the shark so badly I’m not sure it can ever recover. What a joke. What a bad joke. What a disservice to a character who we’ve spent the last four seasons getting to know, one of the only characters with a truly heroic arc, going from spurned lover and idealist, to crime-fighting vigilante and stable force in Team Arrow. A character often wasted, given too little screen time, and pushed to the background—but one who deserved better. And how does she shuffle off her mortal coil? By telling Oliver that she still loves him, but that she’s so happy he found Felicity. Her dying words are about*Felicity! Well, not quite. She says something to Oliver after that but we don’t hear it. It’s a mystery. And then just like that, she’s gone. It’s a shame, really, because this wasn’t a terrible episode other than its terrible ending. They had us guessing a bit with Andy. The prison break was intense. But everything to do with Laurel was just awful. She just very suddenly decides she’s giving up on Team Arrow because…I guess her entire four season character arc is just meaningless. And while all the actors did a great job—you really*feel*Quentin Lance’s pain here; Paul Blackthorne is terrific—I can’t help but wonder if their talents would be better used elsewhere. Honestly, killing off Laurel isn’t just an insult to her character, it makes a mockery out of everyone. Especially Quentin. He lost Sara, but then she’s back! Then she’s killed for real by Malcolm for really stupid reasons. Then she gets resurrected! But now his other daughter is dead! (Will Sara hear about this over in*Legends of Tomorrow?) You have to wonder*if they’ll bring Laurel back from the dead, too, though it won’t matter at that point. I’m almost as sick of the fake-out deaths as I am of the Olicity pandering. There’s no resurrecting a show that’s fallen so deeply in love with its own mistakes. It’s a kind of*twisted vanity. The producers and writers have stopped caring at all about making a vigilante show. Now, as critics of the Olicity trainwreck term it, we’ve got “Felicity and Friends” the charming tween soap opera about a playboy billionaire and his hot fiance. Will they finally tie the knot? Or won’t they?!? Let’s get that pesky other love interest out of the way now…  * A while back I wrote that for*Arrow*to survive,*Olicity must die. Instead,*Arrow’s*producers killed off the Black Canary, removing the last “obstacle” to Oliver and Felicity’s eventual reunion. The Black Canary, a cornerstone of the Green Arrow stories, was killed off so that we could have more relationship drama. (Or she wasn’t, and Laurel and Oliver are in cahoots with some secret plan…but then, what a cruel thing to do to Quentin, and another lie Oliver would be telling everyone…it doesn’t add up.) The Black Canary is dead, and she didn’t even go out with a bang. Her death wasn’t even about her. I’ll keep watching and writing my reviews, but I’ve moved past annoyance at this point into a realm bordering on apathy. Suffice to say, whatever enthusiasm I once had for this show—and I had quite a lot—has evaporated. The Flash*and*Legends of Tomorrow*are far better shows, in any case. At least we have them to look forward to. There was a big death last night, that’s for sure. RIP*Arrow.*What a great superhero show you could have been. Here’s to Katie Cassidy moving on to bigger and better things. |
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I still like Felicity far more than I ever liked Laurel.
The problem isn't her. The problem isn't Ollicity. The problem is that they've strung it out too long. It's kind of the same problem Supernatual sometimes has, where you just wish the brother drama would go on the back burner (it has this season and the show is better for it...). On arrow they need to either marry or break up, and focus on Dahrk. You know, the worst evil they've faced to date? Enough with the relationship drama. That's what kills the show. Losing Laurel is not a huge loss at this point, other than obviously they're down a man now. |
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I want Laurel to stay dead. Was she the right one to kill off? I don't know for sure, but she's definitely not the worst one they could have axed and I think people are doing far too much crying about her elimination. Her place in the show was relatively awkward to begin with. It would have been different if they had Oliver come back from the island and fall back in love with Laurel instead of Felicity, but they didn't. I think they can play off this really well and turn the Green Arrow back into a bad-ass. Use this as a spark to bring back what made the show good in the first season - make him start killing again. I don't agree its the beginning of the end, so long as the producers do it right. It could be breathing life back into the show instead.
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I'm still in the "show me the body" camp. Going from "You have to promise me something," and cutting to a secret conversation just reeks of faking her death. A few interviews aren't going to convince me otherwise. Killing the Black Canary seems pretty counter to everything ever in the comic books, as well.
However, their treatment of the Black Canary character so far has been kinda terrible. Sarah was fairly believable. She didn't look nearly as ridiculous in the fight scenes, and the backstory of League of Assassin training worked for the character. Laurel had a few boxing lessons from Wildcat and fights like that girl who got hit in the head with a shovel in that Youtube video. There has definitely been too much teen angst this season. Oliver & Felicity need to get over it or don't. All the comic fans have always expected the Green Arrow to hook up with the Black Canary. Which is another reason I don't think Laurel is dead. But as goofy as things are starting to get, they might just stick Felicity in a Black Canary costume. |
Are there any good GA comics novels I should start with? I notice there isn't much animated features other than a DC presents green arrow short with Neal McDonough as GA and Justice League animated cartoon has Arrow character
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If Laurel really is dead then the next casualty of this show should be the writer who came up with that lame death scene.
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The writer, exec producer etc failed this show with that shit and teeny boppers Felicity drama. Just ignore the comic completely... Felicity should've been Oliver's Lana Lang. Sent from my XT1585 using Tapatalk |
Saw this theory in the comments of an article about this. I don't know the Black Canary origin story well enough to have thought of this.
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As for felicity, she is a more interesting character than the annoying laurel. Hopefully they turn her into a villain. |
I actually do think Legends is a better show. Has been at least as far back as the Russian gulag.
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The hand to hand fight scenes are really bad also. |
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The Longbow Hunters and Quiver are also good. Though with Grell's run you will be upset at the character butchery that they did to Eddie Fyers in the show. |
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Agreed.
https://www.yahoo.com/news/arrow-the...-sh&soc_trk=tw Arrow - The Rise and Fall of Felicity Smoak In the sixth episode of*Arrow’s first season, we were introduced to one Felicity Smoak; an IT support girl at Queen Industries, she was initially intended as a one episode character who would provide a little bit of tech related exposition before never really being seen again. Despite these initial intentions, however, the character was revisited; the primary reason was that theArrow*cast and crew quite liked Emily Bett Rickards, who played Felicity. They weren’t alone in this, of course, as the character became something of a fan favourite.* Felicity was soon bumped up to a season regular, and had become a key member of the*Arrow*cast. She remained a fan favourite, of course; the third season saw a Felicity centric episode,*The Secret Origin of Felicity Smoak, which contained flashbacks to Felicity’s college days, and introduced her mother, Donna. For quite some time, Felicity was everyone’s favourite character. She could do no wrong. The audiences loved her. Now, she’s near universally hated. So what changed? [https://s] It’s easy, of course, to blame it on “Olicity” - that’s the name used to refer to the relationship between Oliver and Felicity, which developed across the third season, and… was complicated, we’ll say, during the fourth.* Easy, but not entirely accurate, that is. In theory, there’s little wrong with developing a relationship between Oliver and Felicity; certainly, in the early seasons, the pair had chemistry together, and that’s part of why the character of Felicity was so popular. Certainly, had it been written well, you likely could have convincingly depicted a relationship between Oliver and nearly anyone on his team - how different things would have been had we got*“Oliggle”! But the operative term of the sentence -*“had it been written well” - is essentially the embodiment of the issue. Olicity is not well written. Felicity, of late, has not been very well written. Frankly,*Arrow*of late has not been very well written. The problems here are twofold: one is a matter of emphasis, the other of contrivance. The first problem, and arguably the greater of the pair, is the manner in which Felicity is treated by the narrative. Felicity is*valorised*by the narrative; constantly, we are told that she is great and strong and powerful, with nearly every other character having some dialogue about how wonderful she is. (Diggle in particular has fallen foul to this of late.) Obviously, on a surface level, this is just particularly unsubtle writing; the old maxim of*“show don’t tell” is one which springs to mind in this instance. More than that, though, is the fact that this narrative lacks any form ofbalance*- given how insistentArrow*has become in beating the audience over the head with constant references to how great she is, there is rarely any acknowledgement of her character flaws. A good example of this is 4x16*Broken Hearts,*in which Felicity is constantly sniping and making cruel digs at Oliver - but rather than her being criticised for this, Oliver is told simply to give her time. Through not allowing Felicity to have character flaws (or, at least, ignoring the ones she does have)*Arrow*has fallen into the pitfall of a*giving us a very superficial and shallow*“strong female character” - as opposed to*“strong” meaning well rounded, three dimensional and nuanced, a more literal interpretation of*“strong” has been pursued, hence Felicity being shown as infallible and literally described as*“strong”. [https://s] The other problem (albeit one linked to the former) is that much of the drama surrounding Olicity is extremely contrived and very poorly written. A recent example of this was Felicity regaining the ability to walk, so that she could then walk out on Oliver, due to the fact he’d been lying about her - entirely ignoring the fact that, of course, she’d spent the episode prior trying to convince her mother that people in relationships can lie to each other if they love one another enough. It’s astonishing, really, how much*Arrow*is reliant on the use of lies and deception to further their plot; it’s as if the writers know of no other form of communication. (Incidentally, on the matter of Felicity’s paralysis; it would take an entire post to properly break down the failings within this arc, as opposed to a single aside within a larger post, so I likely shall return to this subject in the future. For now, though, I think it’s important to note that this six episode paralysis arc was not only poorly written, but was so poorly handled as to be bad representation and quite disrespectful as well.) You end up getting the indication that those involved with the show perhaps just aren’t very good at writing romantic arcs - except, then, how does that explain Diggle and Lyla, or Roy and Thea? Both of those stories were reasonably successful, and have added a lot to the respective characters. The answer, then, is that the writers aren’t very good at writing a romance when they feel it needs to be the*focus*of the story; Diggle & Lyla and Roy & Thea were always subplots, forming part of something larger. Here, with*‘Olicity’, it takes centre stage - largely at the expense of other characters, who recieve limited screentime as a result of this. Laughably, though, this brings up back around to the beginning - not just of this article, but of*Arrow.*We established earlier that Felicity became a fan favourite character - part of that was because fans were responding so poorly to the character of Laurel, and her romantic plotline with Oliver. That, in part, is why Felicity was written as the main love interest, with Laurel being simply a close friend of Oliver’s - and when “reduced” to this role, the character began to thrive. At a remove from the program, it’s actually quite interesting to watch this all unfold; I don’t think I’ve ever really seen a character plummet from such heights to such depths before. Certainly, I can’t think of any fan favourite character who became quite so reviled so quickly - can anyone? But, ultimately, within the program itself, it’s very disappointing.*Arrow*is far from its glory days, and it’s questionable as to whether it’ll ever really emerge from the shadow of its former self. The blame can’t be placed on Felicity, not really, nor Emily Bett Rickards; she’s a competent actress, and a very nice person as well. She deserves better material to work with than what she’s getting. No, the real problem lies with the writers, who are struggling to bring any sort of coherent emotional or thematic arc to*Arrow, or to their lead characters. The writers of*Arrow… have failed Felicity Smoak. |
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I think it is more to do with writing the constant love arcs to retain female viewership instead of making the best comic episodes they can. Hell they do it in Flash also, but thankfully the guy that plays Dr. Wells to me carries the show.
That is the only real difference in the shows, Arrow does not have a Dr. Wells type character. Well and better villains.. |
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Flash hopefully won't create any bs Iris drama and continue with what they're doing.
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They're gonna vote him off the island.
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This asshole has no clue. @mguggenheim: Enough With the Canon http://www.theatlantic.com/entertain...-canon/477837/ via @Instapaper
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Goodbye to BC...they need to fix Arrow. Bring it back to season 1&2 level. Huge amount of fan rage on Twitter
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Actually liked tonight's episode... Felicity wasn't too annoying but I'm more on the path of more Oliver less team...interesting to see that magic on Oliver's side and thea is stuck in wayward Pines light. Diggle may be taking time away ID think after killing Andy. Ready for the season to close and hope season 5 explores what made s1 and 2 awesome.
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Diggle could take a permanent vacation as far as I am concerned. **** that guy is annoying.
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Yes please ...esp after the latest Flash episode.
http://comicbook.com/2016/05/11/kevi...medium=twitter |
Hope this happens
@ThatKevinSmith: I wanna do 2 very SEVEN-ish @CW_Arrow ep's w/ #Onomatopoeia! I'd love to get my words in your mouth, @StephenAmell! https://twitter.com/cleatscapes/stat...96982309568512 |
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Less Donna Smoak...Jesus. otherwise this episode reminded me more of season 1&2. Looking fwd to the finale and hopeful of changes in season 5.
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Oops; he did it again - twice in fact (once to the girl in the jungle and once to Thea). Only this time it was "insert generic name here......don't do this; it's not who you are" instead of "insert generic name here........I can't let you do this; it's not who you are." My God. can't the writers come up with a different phrase to use? I'm positive I've heard this a dozen times this year.
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