I agree, but nobody calls a teams defense a weapon when talking about a quarterback's play.

Oh. Nice! Thanks so much man. I really appreciate it.

You're welcome.

Matt Cassel 12 playoff wins ROFL

This thread is the stupidest ****ing thing ill read all day. JFC. 9 AFC championship appearances and Brady is trash and Manning is god. Get real.

Well we do know nine one and dones could be had by a replacement level QB

Just more confirmation that Brady has had a ton of help in getting the postseason wins he's had, which shouldn't be a surprise to anybody.

The biggest joke is the notion that Manning > Brady because Cassel won 11 games with the Patriots and Curtis ****ing Painter/Kerry Collins won 2. Is Curtis Painter even in the league anymore? And Kerry Collins was what, 38? Not to mentioned they waited til 2 weeks til the regular season to sign the broke bastard. That whole season in Indy was a shitfest because they wanted Luck.

Well, he'd already won the first thread, before he even posted in it (as he said), so time for a new thread for him to win.

out of 26 with Belichick as coach scheming his opponent?

is that really out of the realm of possibility? Remember, it wasn't Cassel getting them to the playoffs in this scenario. Tom and Peyton were still the regular season QB's.

This is Cassel starting instead of Brady in 26 playoff games. And Cassel starting instead of Manning in 24 playoff games (assuming Cassel is replacement level exactly).

Nate Silver concluded in this scenario Cassel goes 12.6 - 13.4 with the Pats and 8 - 16 with the Colts / Broncos in playoff games started by those two HOF QB's.

Mark Sanchez is ranked #9 above Andrew Luck, Roethlisberger, and Russell Wilson. Lol.

I think you can do alot of things with numbers and stats, but what 538 is trying to do here seems way beyond the pale.

But putting all that aside, your post above sort of clinches the entire debate. Tom OUTPERFORMS expected wins, and Peyton UNDERperforms expected wins.

And that, really, is all anyone is saying about playoff performance.

Thanks for blowing up your own argument. Well done. Time to quit while you're so far behind it isn't even funny.

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where are you reading Brady is trash? where are you reading Manning is God? Please link me to where this has been said.

Thank you.

I'm honestly somewhat skeptical about WAR in football, regardless of the whole Brady thing.

The bottom line is baseball is barely a team game at all. It's essentially a long series of one-on-one matchups, and other than some fielding things (double plays, etc.), those one-on-one matchups determine everything.

Football involves many one-on-one matchups, of course. Two linemen facing off, and a receiver versus a CB, but they all occur within teh context of the team effort. There isn't a TON of talk about offensive line cohesion and communication because it just boils down to five guys "winning their [individual] battles", and a WRs/TEs route tree, decision whether to break off a route early, etc., isn't about one-on-one at all. It's about coordination wth the quarterback.

Stated differently, NFL players dont' plug and play nearly as well as baseball players in my view.

it's tougher for Peyton to win because he has to play flawless football to win playoff games, as evidenced by the 8 - 16 expected postseason record with a replacement level player at QB

Tom, just average, as evidenced by 12.6 - 13.4 expected postseason record.

Must be nice, to have all those weapons. No?