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Rain Man 03-20-2014 09:19 PM

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Originally Posted by planetdoc (Post 10505409)
thats one way to look at it. He could speak over the intercom, "this is your pilot speaking. hope your enjoying your flight .just want to let you all know your going to die." People frantically try their cell phones but get no signal. others try to get into the cockpit, but cant because the doors are re-inforced.

the other way to look at it is a blessing. They have 8hrs to get their life right...maybe write down their last thoughts and wishes. leave a message for their loved ones. make peace with this life and the afterlife. Most people dont get that opportunity. they are hear today and gone tommorrow, expecting that they will do tommorrow what they didnt do today, and tommorrow never came. opportunity lost.

I appreciate your thoughts of peace and blessing, but with all due respect I'd be going all McGyver on that cockpit door with everything I could lay my hands on. If I had to go in from the outside, I'd go in from the outside.

alnorth 03-20-2014 09:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Rain Man (Post 10505418)
I wonder at what point you'd figure out that something's wrong, and then what you'd do about it. That's what creeps me out.

Assuming that he didn't kill them all early on with the high-altitude thing, what do you do? You're looking out the window and seeing nothing but water, and then the sun is coming up on your left and the pilot's not saying anything. Did people start figuring it out? Or is it one of those deals where most people are sleeping and the rest just assume that the pilot's not a murderous criminal?

There's a pretty strong culture against acting up on a plane. It would be hard to be the first person to stand up and tell the cabin, "Something's really wrong here."

I also presume that the pilot also turned off the in-flight maps on the TVs. Because that would be weird to be watching as a passenger.

The flight attendants would be the first to know something is up. About the time when they are supposed to land, they'd be trying to contact the pilot, and after a couple hours, the passengers would be able to tell something is going wrong by the panic from the flight crew.

threebag 03-20-2014 09:24 PM

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Originally Posted by planetdoc (Post 10505409)
thats one way to look at it. He could speak over the intercom, "this is your pilot speaking. hope your enjoying your flight .just want to let you all know your going to die." People frantically try their cell phones but get no signal. others try to get into the cockpit, but cant because the doors are re-inforced.

the other way to look at it is a blessing. They have 8hrs to get their life right...maybe write down their last thoughts and wishes. leave a message for their loved ones. make peace with this life and the afterlife. Most people dont get that opportunity. they are hear today and gone tommorrow, expecting that they will do tommorrow what they didnt do today, and tommorrow never came. opportunity lost.


What kind of flute are you blowing this week Chris616?

Rain Man 03-20-2014 09:28 PM

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Originally Posted by alnorth (Post 10505440)
The flight attendants would be the first to know something is up. About the time when they are supposed to land, they'd be trying to contact the pilot, and after a couple hours, the passengers would be able to tell something is going wrong by the panic from the flight crew.

I would imagine that at some point they'd tell the passengers to try to do something, but it's hard to imagine how that would go down.

I bet the flight attendants talk to the crew somewhat regularly, right? And give them food and stuff? I wonder if they would've figured it out pretty quickly, or if he was calm and lying.

You also have to figure that any flight like that will have a few businesspeople who are flying that route every week. If it was a daytime flight, they'd figure it out at some point, but it's possible that this flight never saw daylight.

Of course, this all assumes that they weren't dead within 30 minutes of the veering off course.

srvy 03-20-2014 09:31 PM

Pilot programed auto pilot that took them to 45000 feet killed all including pilot. It descended cruising out to open sea to there finale resting spot.

The horror would be if you were the only person to have somehow survived the ascent.

tk13 03-20-2014 09:36 PM

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Originally Posted by srvy (Post 10505455)
Pilot programed auto pilot that took them to 45000 feet killed all including pilot. It descended cruising out to open sea to there finale resting spot.

The horror would be if you were the only person to have somehow survived the ascent.

Somewhere a light bulb just went off in a screenwriter's head.

Rain Man 03-20-2014 09:36 PM

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Originally Posted by srvy (Post 10505455)
Pilot programed auto pilot that took them to 45000 feet killed all including pilot. It descended cruising out to open sea to there finale resting spot.

The horror would be if you were the only person to have somehow survived the ascent.

Oh, you think the pilot killed himself too with the ascent?

The more I think about it, I like that theory. I'd never thought about that. It's a painless way to kill yourself, and it would explain setting a course out to sea so you don't end up crashing into a city.

Of course, if you've already murdered 238 people you probably shouldn't worry about killing a few hundred more, but maybe he thought it was more peaceful to go down at sea.

The plane went back down to 23,000 feet, though, and then (I think) back up to cruising altitude. Could he program it to do that?

tk13 03-20-2014 09:37 PM

Then again, I guess that's pretty much "Gravity" on earth.

Rain Man 03-20-2014 09:38 PM

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Originally Posted by tk13 (Post 10505462)
Somewhere a light bulb just went off in a screenwriter's head.

It's mercenary to think about this, but I think the best movie plot would have the passengers figuring this out and then trying to solve the problem. Can you imagine those discussions and factions? Jeepers.

srvy 03-20-2014 09:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Rain Man (Post 10505463)
Oh, you think the pilot killed himself too with the ascent?

The more I think about it, I like that theory. I'd never thought about that. It's a painless way to kill yourself, and it would explain setting a course out to sea so you don't end up crashing into a city.

Of course, if you've already murdered 238 people you probably shouldn't worry about killing a few hundred more, but maybe he thought it was more peaceful to go down at sea.

The plane went back down to 23,000 feet, though, and then (I think) back up to cruising altitude. Could he program it to do that?

The fly in the ointment is the co-pilot. He seemed a lover of life and playboy had a lot to live for he would of fought like hell.

My guess is he never saw it comeing. Maybe the ax or hatchet thats stored in the cockpit. That is if they still had those after 911.

srvy 03-20-2014 09:48 PM

I assume the Maylays have questioned the wife and kids of the pilot. Its strange we have not herd how that went. Seems an important piece of the puzzle why they moved out the house the day before. The Malays are looking like heels in this whole deal.

Rain Man 03-20-2014 10:05 PM

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Originally Posted by srvy (Post 10505470)
The fly in the ointment is the co-pilot. He seemed a lover of life and playboy had a lot to live for he would of fought like hell.

My guess is he never saw it comeing. Maybe the ax or hatchet thats stored in the cockpit. That is if they still had those after 911.


Yeah, it's pretty easy to kill one person who's completely not expecting it.

I mean, so I hear.


I like your theory a lot, though. It seems quite logical. Did you read it somewhere else, or is it your own theory?

J Diddy 03-20-2014 10:10 PM

I think the most important thing we need to think about is whether or not this gets a song like the Edmund Fitzgerald.

srvy 03-20-2014 10:14 PM

I read where they think someone with knowledge of the systems on board may have reprogrammed autopilot before the handoff from Malay control to Vietnamese control.
So I think maybe thats why the US thinks it went down in the Indian Ocean. This is remote and some the deepest water in the world. Also learned today its also some of the roughest water in the world. If you want to ditch it where nobody may never find it this maybe the place.

tk13 03-20-2014 10:20 PM

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Originally Posted by srvy (Post 10505530)
I read where they think someone with knowledge of the systems on board may have reprogrammed autopilot before the handoff from Malay control to Vietnamese control.
So I think maybe thats why the US thinks it went down in the Indian Ocean. This is remote and some the deepest water in the world. Also learned today its also some of the roughest water in the world. If you want to ditch it where nobody may never find it this maybe the place.

Yeah, it's a sparsely traveled area of the ocean from what I've read... it seems it's not really near any shipping lanes.


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