It's too bad we didn't keep Orton, because the debate would have RAGED back and forth on this board as he led us to 8-8. :D

that's a really bad example because it was more than likely offensive pass interference on Bowe

he cant beat Haden in a foot race lets call it it what it is

Hopefully that wasnt his last game as a chief :(

Nah.

Then we'd have been drafting at 15 and it would've been okay for us to take Geno Smith.

So if we had Kyle Orton, a passable NFL quarterback, then Geno Smith would've been a fine pick. Instead, we have a QB situation that is far FAR worse than Kyle Orton...and now Geno Smith is a stupid pick.

If you ever wonder why I hate everyone - that paragraph is the exact reason.

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Getting open has a lot more to do with other things than winning footraces.

Jon Baldwin hasn't made one single ****ing play like that in two years.

By the way Haden is reacting when he first flashes in that gif, it looks like Bowe faked him out with a slant and go, or some such move.

He may have just made a really terrible play on the pass.

Dwayne bowe 40 time: 4.51
Joe Haden 40 yard time: 4.57

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getting open on the outside more times than not has to do with beating the press

Bowe is just the complete package and Haden is a notorious press man CB and Bowe is just a bad match up for him skill set wise.

9 times out of 10 Bowe can beat Haden's press with a push off

10 times out of 10 Haden can jam Jon Baldwin at the line ruining the timing of his route.

that's the difference. Doesnt mean that call cant go either way. That ref either throws a flag or doesnt, happens ALL the time in the NFL. Just about every play. Just like holding, when Tamba Hali gets his necked raped every play and people want a flag, same concept.

Eh, I wouldn't take Bowe over Haden in pads. Haden has elite football speed.

I don't know if he timed poorly that day or what, but Haden's among the fastest corners out there.

Got no problem with a Bowe re tag.

like i said id have to see the beginning of the play but im sure Bowe most likely shrugged off the jam at the LOS and hit him with a double move and Haden, even as fast as he is just couldnt make it up in time, he eventually does catch up to Bowe very quickly, so Haden is very fast. Cant say Bowe is falling he fell over his own two feet trying to run faster because he turned around to look at Haden rather than just running straight ahead.

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