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Easy 6 11-28-2012 10:24 AM

If they were breaking and entering, yeah, you have to expect bad things and they had no excuse.

But this guy still went way over the line, dragging half dead people around and then "finishing" them as they gasp and weeze.

What a sad, sick story.

loochy 11-28-2012 10:34 AM

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Originally Posted by frazod (Post 9158946)
Some additional thoughts on this:

Sounds like these kids were basically terrorizing this guy. I've been in a situation before where somebody kept ****ing with me at my apartment (showing up with 5 guys in the middle of the night, blowing up M-80s on the porch, etc.) and I can tell you, it really makes you crazy. I had to run that ****er off at gunpoint a couple of times and really, really wanted to end him, so I understand this guy's frustration. Add in him being an old man and completely isolated, and well, I don't excuse his actions, but I get why he snapped.

Also, sounds like these kids were complete ****ing vermin, bravo for removing them from the gene pool.

LOL at kids messing with crazy old frazod

http://cdn.memegenerator.net/instanc...x/24150070.jpg

notorious 11-28-2012 10:34 AM

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Originally Posted by Rain Man (Post 9158957)
They'll heal eventually and won't be friendly.

I'm not saying that's a reason to finish them off, but it's a rationale.

When I was in high school, my father got attacked at work by a couple of thugs. (He ran a restaurant and they came in at night and just did a random attack.) He had to testify against them in court and they got sent to prison for a couple of years, and when it was time for them to get out it was very worrisome. We got new beefy locks on our doors and all kinds of stuff.

This.

I told my wife that anyone that breaks into our house will end up dead because I don't want to worry about them coming back wanting revenge.

lcarus 11-28-2012 10:35 AM

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Originally Posted by NIUhuskies (Post 9157561)
especially an 18 year old girl???? thats just bizarre

Yeah that's because it's a bullshit lie. For all we know this nut found these kids on his property and forced them at gunpoint to come inside so he could execute him. Could have happened...

el borracho 11-28-2012 10:50 AM

Well, I don't guess anyone will break into his next apartment but he is likely to have an annoying roommate.

crazycoffey 11-28-2012 11:55 AM

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Originally Posted by Dartgod (Post 9158847)
Even if the first shots had disabled the intruders to the point of removing the threat?


Are you willing to bet your life they don't have a weapon they'll use on you once you turn your back to look for the other intruder? Are you willing to risk your life to the other intruder by spending precious seconds searching the one you just shot? When do you absolutely know you've removed a threat? If actions were taken while fearing his life or safety it shouldn't matter if we now think it's "too far".


Moving the bodies with out necessity or reason is tampering with a crime scene, not calling the authorities as soon as safely possible doesn't do the guy any favors either. The "finishing shot" on the girl makes my stomach cringe like any normal person would.

But the "wanting him dead" for the first intruder, doesn't bother me as much. Still another person in the house, he's probably still fearing his safety and he doesn't want to worry about this guy shot in the leg or hips getting back up and getting back in the fight.

Lzen 11-28-2012 11:55 AM

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Originally Posted by notorious (Post 9157960)
She was a good looking girl. WTF was wrong with them?

http://extras.mnginteractive.com/liv..._kifer_300.jpg

Of course they are going to show the pic of her when she was looking good. Not the girl who was going to an alternative school and probably strung out on meth.

Lzen 11-28-2012 11:57 AM

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Originally Posted by bowener (Post 9158251)
The same person that came downstairs in a strangers house to investigate gunshots....

Yeah, that one doesn't really pass the BS detector. Something is very fishy about this whole thing. I'll be there's a lot more to this story.

Dartgod 11-28-2012 11:59 AM

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Originally Posted by Barney Stinson (Post 9159188)
Are you willing to bet your life they don't have a weapon they'll use on you once you turn your back to look for the other intruder? Are you willing to risk your life to the other intruder by spending precious seconds searching the one you just shot? When do you absolutely know you've removed a threat? If actions were taken while fearing his life or safety it shouldn't matter if we now think it's "too far".


Moving the bodies with out necessity or reason is tampering with a crime scene, not calling the authorities as soon as safely possible doesn't do the guy any favors either. The "finishing shot" on the girl makes my stomach cringe like any normal person would.

But the "wanting him dead" for the first intruder, doesn't bother me as much. Still another person in the house, he's probably still fearing his safety and he doesn't want to worry about this guy shot in the leg or hips getting back up and getting back in the fight.

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Smith said he dragged Brady's body into his basement workshop, then sat back down on his chair, and after a few minutes Kifer began coming down the stairs. He said he shot her as soon as her hips appeared, and she fell down the steps.
According to his own testimony, I'd say he had enough time to secure the first intruder before the second one made an appearance.

tooge 11-28-2012 12:01 PM

Hey, chin up. He could still get the death penalty

bevischief 11-28-2012 12:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Lzen (Post 9159196)
Yeah, that one doesn't really pass the BS detector. Something is very fishy about this whole thing. I'll be there's a lot more to this story.

I agree.

crazycoffey 11-28-2012 12:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Dartgod (Post 9159203)
According to his own testimony, I'd say he had enough time to secure the first intruder before the second one made an appearance.

the first paragraph was more general in nature, the rest was some of my take on what we know, or what has been reported anyway. Again, as he goes to address the second intruder, he would be turning his back on the first. If the first has the ability to get his hands on anything to use as a weapon, you may just have been too nice for your own good by not finishing him off. Just my humble opinion, **** the first guy, I don't want to be concerned with him anymore, I'd want him dead too.

However, I wouldn't be moving bodies or not calling the police, I also might word my statement to not sound so emotionally detached as a human being either.

Dartgod 11-28-2012 12:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Barney Stinson (Post 9159221)
the first paragraph was more general in nature, the rest was some of my take on what we know, or what has been reported anyway. Again, as he goes to address the second intruder, he would be turning his back on the first. If the first has the ability to get his hands on anything to use as a weapon, you may just have been too nice for your own good by not finishing him off. Just my humble opinion, **** the first guy, I don't want to be concerned with him anymore, I'd want him dead too.

However, I wouldn't be moving bodies or not calling the police, I also might word my statement to not sound so emotionally detached as a human being either.

I'm just saying that if he time to put a bullet in his head, drag him to another room and sit for a few minutes before the girl came down, then he certainly had time to search him for a weapon and tie him up or secure him in some way.

The Franchise 11-28-2012 12:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Dartgod (Post 9159228)
I'm just saying that if he time to put a bullet in his head, drag him to another room and sit for a few minutes before the girl came down, then he certainly had time to search him for a weapon and tie him up or secure him in some way.

This. The dude was obviously incapacitated enough that the old guy could drag him around. He could have easily secured him.

crazycoffey 11-28-2012 12:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Dartgod (Post 9159228)
I'm just saying that if he time to put a bullet in his head, drag him to another room and sit for a few minutes before the girl came down, then he certainly had time to search him for a weapon and tie him up or secure him in some way.

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Originally Posted by Pestilence (Post 9159235)
This. The dude was obviously incapacitated enough that the old guy could drag him around. He could have easily secured him.

he dragged the first guy after the kill shot I thought.

I don't disagree it's possible, and I don't disagree this guy is a nut. but what are you securing him with? got some rope handy? handcuffs? You know before hand that the second person isn't coming down right away? It ended up that the second person didn't come down right away, but you can't afford to take that chance to tie someone up.

And even if you search him and find nothing on him, he could find your other gun downstairs if you turn your back on him. a pipe, a table leg, old lamp, etc. He could be yelling to his friend upstairs, giving information about the layout, your weapons, that you don't have a phone to call the police, etc.

Too many possible bad scenarios for me personally. If I know someone else is in the house, I'm eliminating one threat, trying to call for back up in some way if I can, and watching the fatal funnel that is the entrance to the basement and shooting anything I don't recognize coming down the steps. I don't care about taking prisoners in that case.

Anyway, just saying the kill shot on the first guy doesn't turn my stomach upside down as much as everyone else. given what we think we know about what happened, or what was reported to have happened.


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