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Hammock Parties 06-15-2013 02:05 PM

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But I did actually like it more than Wrath.
Yep. You know nothing.

NOTHING.

Hammock Parties 06-15-2013 02:06 PM

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It's clever and gripping.
Wrong. There is nothing clever OR gripping about the third act, and it kills the movie.

Red Brooklyn 06-15-2013 02:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Branden Albert's Huge Balls (Post 9753654)
Yep. You know nothing.

NOTHING.

Opinions. Assholes. All that.

Red Brooklyn 06-15-2013 02:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Branden Albert's Huge Balls (Post 9753657)
Wrong. There is nothing clever OR gripping about the third act, and it kills the movie.

Okay. My bad.

Hammock Parties 06-15-2013 02:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Red Brooklyn (Post 9753687)
Opinions. Assholes. All that.

No.

Star Trek II is a masterful work of art.

Into Pissness is action schlock.

Red Brooklyn 06-15-2013 02:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Branden Albert's Huge Balls (Post 9753690)
No.

Star Trek II is a masterful work of art.

Into Pissness is action schlock.

Oh, okay. My bad.

Hammock Parties 06-15-2013 02:32 PM

Glad to educate.

Bowser 06-15-2013 04:11 PM

I will say that Bruce Greenwood was very good in his role as Pike. His performance deserves a little recognition.

whoman69 06-16-2013 07:20 AM

I do have to give him props. He did a great job with the role. I have to fall in the ST purists here. If they're just going to rewrite all the old episodes, I don't need it. I still have my memories of those old episodes. If they want to do a reboot, they have to come up with some new ideas. That said, I had a ton more problems with the first movie. Here's an example. At the end they couldn't just escape from the black hole. They ejected their warp cores and exploded them to give them enough momentum to escape. It would be like a car on a cliff slowly slipping towards the edge. The driver then decides to detach his gas tank and blow it up to give him momentum to get away. Problem is, how does he get away with no gas tank? Just another day for the Edselprise.

BigBeauford 06-16-2013 10:28 AM

Well, since there is no gravity or friction in space, I believe an object in motion remains doing so until otherwise stopped.

unlurking 06-16-2013 10:44 AM

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Originally Posted by Red Brooklyn (Post 9753636)
To each their own. But it didn't feel like a rehash to me (outside of the obvious moments of borrowed plot, which only really amounted to like five minutes of screen time). It was just a new introduction to a standard original series character. It continued the same things I loved about the reboot. It gave us a new introduction/take on a classic character. And Kahn was much more interesting and fleshed out than Bana's Romulan. Big improvement there, I thought.

And this is all way before the timeframe of Wrath of Kahn. If Into Darkness is a rehash, it's a rehash of the original series Kahn episode.

I wonder if it's just because it's the second in the new series and Kahn was the second film in the original run. Would people have been bothered if they'd waited until the fifth or sixth film to do a Kahn story?

Into Darkness probably isn't quite as good as Star Trek (09). But I did actually like it more than Wrath. I would have preferred less direct homage, but I think they pulled it off. It's all explained very well. It's clever and gripping. And I was on the edge of my seat the whole time. I even got a bit teary at times.

The tribble in the middle of the scene was awkward and pure set up. That could have been handled more gracefully. And the resurrection was strained. But it could have been worse. And it's not like anyone expected dude to stay dead.

It's nice that we finally have the Enterprise out on its mission. I think that has the potential to open up the new timeline. I'm excited to see where they take it.

I tried to like this one, and even waited a few weeks to see it in an attempt to let go of my expectations of suckitude ever since it was determined Khan was the villain. I don't want to try and convince anyone this was a bad movie, because I don't think it was. In fact, if I had not been a fan of everything Trek prior, I probably would have loved it. My 19 yo did, and I'm glad. It just wasn't for me.

I even tried to find some things to look forward to, like the glowing reviews of Simon Pegg. I'm a big fan of his, and thought he didn't get enough face time in the first movie. Unfortunately he did too good of a job! I thought his acting was a great portrayal of Scotty. Unfortunately, there is no way I can look at him and see a younger Scotty. All the other actors are close enough in appearance to suspend disbelief. In this one I was constantly at war between watching Scotty and Shaun of the Dead.

I can't really put my finger on any one thing, but just so many little things adding up that make me completely uninterested in any 5 year mission. I've already seen that too. Besides, a story line like that fits a TV show, not a movie. No way they start making movie length TV episodes (I hope).

Honestly, I think only one thing could bring me in to watch more of this alternate timeline. War with the Klingons. It happened in the original timeline, so it should be enough to follow the "similar but different" excuses we are seeing for the reboot. It has a broad but very undetailed back story, so just about anything they do would be a new story, or at least a first telling of an old story. Without Vulcan assistance, this could be a VERY dark time for the Federation, and fit in with the whole darkness theme that seems popular right now. It could fit in movies and/or TV shows. In fact, they could spend three movies on it, kill off the entire cast, and then start something new.

I really like the cast. I really liked the special effects. I really enjoyed the action sequences. There's definitely plenty here for me to like, but they just need to move onto something different.

whoman69 06-16-2013 11:43 AM

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Originally Posted by qbsacker93 (Post 9754675)
Well, since there is no gravity or friction in space, I believe an object in motion remains doing so until otherwise stopped.

There is gravity in space, but no friction. If there were no gravity in space, planets couldn't be held by their sun. They weren't blown out far enough to escape the gravity of the black hole.

BigRedChief 06-17-2013 08:25 AM

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Originally Posted by unlurking (Post 9754684)
I really like the cast. I really liked the special effects. I really enjoyed the action sequences. There's definitely plenty here for me to like, but they just need to move onto something different.

THIS!

It was a good movie but down on the list of ST movies. It doesn't even make it past Wrath of Khan.

I know its going to be a long time before we see another, if ever with JJ. I agree with the other comments, they need to do a movie on how the Klingon war started in the alternate timeline.

seaofred 06-18-2013 09:15 AM

Just watched this on Fathers Day. I really liked it. I liked it better than the original Wrath of Khan. I find the original ones a bit more corny than these, which is why I like these two better.


If they did one on how the war started with the Klingons, that would be great.

Tribal Warfare 06-18-2013 09:21 AM

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Originally Posted by seaofred (Post 9758965)
Just watched this on Fathers Day. I really liked it. I liked it better than the original Wrath of Khan. I find the original ones a bit more corny than these, which is why I like these two better.


If they did one on how the war started with the Klingons, that would be great.

If they did Khan's presence when he was kicking some major Klingon ass would be a fear induced catalyst with the war with Klingon's believing that the federation has legions of super soldiers like Khan.


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