How can they turn down being a Leader OMG?????

I predict suspension. Expulsion might be too much for a university the caliber of PSU, minus the scandal.

I posted one rumor that almost immediately vanished into a "this looks like nothing" puff of smoke, so I may as well post another on something I've held off on for a while. This smoke hasn't gone away yet, so what the hell.

http://clemson.rivals.com/

There's a strong, lingering rumor out of Clemson that the commissioner of the ACC, John Swofford, is meeting with the president of Clemson and the Clemson BOT at the Clemson president's home tonight and tomorrow.

It is not COMPLETELY unprecedented for a commissioner of an athletic conference to meet with a school BOT, but it is somewhat rare. Also, for such a meeting to happen under the radar like this with whispers of realignment involving that school in the air, is unusual.

The Big 12 isn't adding Clemson. They simply aren't relevent. Time to move to new rumors.

- Bidding starts next week for Champions Bowl.
- It is expected to be played permanently in one location instead of a rotation, with Dallas the likely landing spot.
- SEC is okay with game in Dallas because they want to expand their recruiting presence in Texas.
- The TV rights for the game are expected to match the $80 million ESPN just agreed to pay the Rose Bowl. That equals out to about $3.3MM per school.

http://www.cbssports.com/collegefoot...egin-next-week

sweet. I love the idea of getting January 1 back to being a big CFB day. It's usually boring as hell unless you're on vacation or something.

:eek: I actually agree with you on this one. What is the world coming to.

To piggyback on that, rumors are that the SEC is demanding the Big 12 have a conference championship game, which, per NCAA rules, requires 12 members.

http://mbd.scout.com/mb.aspx?s=159&f=4582&t=9160244

Why would the SEC care? And wouldn't that just dilute the per school payout even further?

This game is poised to become the national semi-final. I doubt the SEC wants the winner of a ten team conference to get the same cache as the winner of the SEC.

If I were into conspiracy theories, I might think that this is Slive's way of shattering the ACC without getting blood on his hands. If the Big XII has to add teams, they are likely going to have to raid the ACC. Suddenly, Virginia and North Carolina are in play.

This game won't be a national semifinal when it pits the Big 12 and SEC though, and it will likely only be a semifinal in 2 of the 12 years, just like the Rose Bowl.

The $80MM TV rights contract will apply when the two conferences meet outside of the playoff system. That's how the conferences will be able to keep all the money themselves.

For now, that's true. I think Slive envisions a future in which the NCAA/BCS gets shoved aside and this becomes the national semifinal every season with CCGs acting as de facto quarterfinals.

Maybe at some point, but the current playoff agreement is 12 years beginning in 2014. Why would he require the Big 12 to be at 12 schools by 2014? That just dilutes the pool for this current contract.

I think the Baylor guy is getting bad info or incomplete info. The Big 12 adding someone like Louisville and BYU does nothing for the SEC.

The way I understand it, the revenue is split by conference before being subdivided by teams. If this is correct, more Big XII teams wouldn't impact the SEC's cut.

Also, I don't think BYU is a factor, but destabilizing the ACC might be.

Scrolling through some of the theories, the B1G, PAC and SEC all want the B12 to go to 12 teams. They think the lack of the B12 having to put its champion through a CCG gives it an unfair advantage. Also, the CCGs build more hype for these bowls.

From my understanding, this game will not be in the "regular rotation", maybe once every three years. Dallas will be the home for the game, but it will alternate to New Orleans in years it is a national semi-final.

Another perspective:

The first paragraph is baseless speculation. Of course the agreement could have come with stipulations.

Are you kidding? Aside from FSU and ND, Clemson would be one of the most attractive schools out there

Hypocritson does not think Clemson's endowment is good enough.

TV Ratings ought to trump endowment. They did very well on TV last year.

Yeah, but he really likes endowedmen

I would agree...I think Clemson would be a good addition to the Big XII.

KU fan claiming that Clemson isn't relevant in a football discussion is awesome.

Clemson and FSU would easily be better additions to the Big IIX than TCU and WVU.

If I were to paint my dream scenario assuming no ND:

SEC gets UNC and UVA

B12 gets FSU, Clemson, G Tech, V Tech, NC St and Louisville


SEC-Big12 Challenge over the first four weeks of the college season:

FSU-UF
GTech-UGA
Clemson-USC
NC St-UNC
VTech-UVA
Louisville-UK
UT-A&M
KU-MU
OU-Bama (Crimson and Cream vs Crimson Tide)
OSU-Tenn (Orange Crush)
ISU-Vanderbilt (We're in these conferences too!)
KSU-Auburn (Wildcats and Tigers)
TTech-Ole Miss (Red Raiders and Rebels)
Baylor-Miss St (Bears and Bulldogs)
WVU-LSU (Mountains and Swamps)
TCU-Arkansas (Jerry's Jumbo Jubilee)

Week 1:

East Coast Early: VTech-UVA
Noon: TTech-Ole Miss
Late Afternoon: TCU-Arkansas
Prime Time: WVU-LSU

Week 2:

East Coast Early: GTech-UGA
Noon: ISU-Vanderbilt
Late Afternoon: OSU-Tenn
Prime Time: OU-Bama

Week 3:

East Coast Early: NC St-UNC
Noon: Louisville-UK
Late Afternoon: KSU-Auburn
Prime Time: UT-A&M

Week 4:

East Coast Early: Clemson-USC
Noon: Baylor-Miss St
Late Afternoon: KU-MU
Prime Time: FSU-UF

Could you imagine the extra cash we could demand for that setup? That's a ratings bonanza ESPN couldn't refuse.

JIMP

mizzou better be playing a better school than kansas if that happens...

Nah, id rather play Kansas in that scenario. Regardless of the feelings between us, its still a damn good rivalry.

Weird, your conference doesn't seem to agree.

The Big 12 isn't interested in them. The Big 12 is interested in Kansas.

I'm not making those decisions.

What?

Their endowment, their academic ranking, their athletic program. There are many reasons why Clemson isn't relevant to the Big 12.

I'll take it that the Big 12 is looking to the TV networks in deciding what to do and Clemson simply doesn't add any value to their contracts. Why divide the money up more ways when you would get the same check?

MU and A&M added no value either. If they did then why do we see an "increase" when it comes to payouts with the new Big 12 TV deal? You can't argue with numbers.

But I liked watching CJ Spiller when he was at Clemson. I'll enjoy watching them play in the ACC. But as we saw in last year's Orange Bowl, Clemson has a long way before being able to compete with the Big 12 football teams.

The SEC and the Big 12 have recently agreed on a bowl deal temporarily named the "Champions Bowl". This agreement was made after the additions of WVU and TCU (two high level BCS winning programs).

I can't say whether or not the same deal would have been made with the addition of FSU and Clemson. With FSU then no doubt it would have. Clemson I don't know....I just looked through their bowl performance over the couple decades and their isn't much to get excited about.

I think Clemson fits in well with the current ACC teams.

LMAO

The fun never stops.

What are you talking about? The programs have a virtual split in all time wins, neighbor each other, and while MU has more bowls KU has what MU fans have been hoping for to achieve for years.

If you have one of these challenge things the KU-MU is by far the best arrangement.

Let's see what happens to TCU post-Patterson. This university could turn into Baylor-light in a flash.

There's absolutely no question that Clemson would be far more desirable than TCU. Not even remotely close.

This does look pretty awesome.

Fan base then yes, Clemson is better. Performance on the field then TCU is better.

The Big 12 really isn't interested in pushing forward one of these conference network setups similar to the B1G. The Big 12 wants to get the highest level of play on the field to boost their national appeal with big time games and high positions in bowls come post season. There's just no need to dilute the conference with a team like Clemson.

If things blow up for the ACC then sure why not. But I have been thinking for months that the ACC isn't going anywhere. I still think it's going to be around forever in some form or another. Thus it takes someone REALLY wanting Clemson in order for them to leave. That's not happening with the Big 12.

You guys can't even sell a fourth of your tickets to a neutral site game against your prime rivals... no thanks, good riddance. You chose your path.

Are you speaking of last years game? It was a calculated move by the fan base for the removal of the head coach...and it worked.

Good thing to because many of us were scared shitless when hapless Turner Gill was beating you at halftime. Thank God that didn't end up staying true. I can't go another year with Gill and his circus.

But if it never happens I'd be completely fine with it. Missouri chose to leave the conference and end the series. I'm just saying that if this completely dreamed up scenario that HH has made actually happened that the best economical setup would be to pit KU against MU. Doesn't matter much to me either way.

Outside the Oklahoma schools, name one Big XII team Clemson couldn't stand up with.

Here you go... I can't watch this mess again.

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So the Oklahoma schools and WVU.

Sounds like the rest of the Big XII.

Any other conferences attempting to lure KU?

KU is completely irrelevant in college football, which is the primary point in conference realignment. Zero reason for MU to play them.

I dont think that is true at all. When you play in a conference like the SEC you need a few cupcakes in the non-con to warm up with.

I call complete and utter bullshit on the bolded statement. Present some proof or GTFO.

There was some articles posted a few months ago about the Big 10 looking to add KU back in the 90's. But I don't think KU has been contacted by anyone recently. Then again, as far as anyone knows KU never attempted to contact any other conferences...they seem to be completely happy with their home in the Big 12.

I don't give a shit what you believe. Fact is that it worked.

I'm fine with that. Couldn't care less if KU ever played MU again. There's absolutely zero cache in beating you. KU has done it half the time over the last 100 years and I don't really see what it has got them.

What a bunch of bs. Nobody showed up because the team sucks balls, and they didn't want to sit there and watch them lose to their rival.

KU had about the same amount of people for the spring game this year as they did for Gill's last game. It was obviously about the coach. The numbers don't lie. KU fans love their teams and always will. Coaches on the other hand...

That sucks, dude. I'm glad that our AD isn't so incompetent that 15,000 people at a football game could have blinded him into thinking that Gill was a good coach.

Many suspect SZ was going to fire Gill anyway being that the whole "not my guy" scenario was underway. Had KU ended up holding to the lead and winning would he have kept Gill? I doubt it. But the showing of the fans was a uniting force that made the entire process that much easier.

Now the players, fans and administration couldn't be more excited about the staff SZ has brought in.

Perkins got KU fans what they wanted and now we have a new AD looking to create his own legacy. Should be a fun season for KU fans to watch the team grow and come together. Judging by the amount of posts in the 2012 KU Football thread I'd say the interest level is extremely high.

Interest level is almost too high. I mean, what if you want to attend every KU home game, but you don't have $66?

http://i1176.photobucket.com/albums/...ootballTix.jpg

The KU fan just got off a Final Four run so many are probably busy recovering from the amount they spent traveling and purchasing tickets.

Championship game tickets aren't cheap.

But I wouldn't worry, if Weis can get the team back to its winning ways I'm sure the sell out crowds that packed Memorial Stadium will be back in no time. He has to prove himself first, that's how it works in sports generally.

Seems ticket prices are on a lot of fan bases minds lately.

http://desmond.imageshack.us/Himg13/...ng&res=landing

LMAO

If the bolded part is true, there would be no need to organize a boycott of the game at Arrowhead.

Hypocritson is proven a liar once again.

The cheapest Ohio State ticket goes for 150% of the cost of the entire Kansas season's worth.

Ohio State has about 150% the enrollment and alumni base of KU.

Just can't let us go can you?

What can I say? KU fans are united with their administration.

So that's why their opener is going for over $110 and yours is the price of a gallon of gas?

Kentucky Wildcats season tickets start at $450 (smaller school than KU).

Who knows? Maybe they're just taking the loss to KU a little on the rough side and just can't wait to get football season started.

That's probably it.

Cool. Keep me updated though Saul. Whenever I need pertinent KU info you're always my go-to.

Rag on Saul all you want, you brought it on yourself by lying and making stupid statements.

I'm sorry? What did I lie about?

So, every KU fan went to the Final 4 games ROFL You keep saying they don't have money to buy tickets. Is your fanbase only 20 K strong?

I personally like the cheap tickets. Make it easier to convince the wife to let me go to the games.

I'm sure thousands of KU fans have bought tickets to the games this year.

That's like eight grand right there.

I wouldn't know, just a hunch. I don't work at the KU ticket office. I'm sure they'll let you know when ticket sales become an issue so you can inform us all here in this thread.

When I go to McDonalds here in New York a #3 costs me nearly $10.

In Lawrence, KS it doesn't cost me nearly that much. But it sure tastes the same.

Ten bucks? You could get two tickets to the home opener with a couple bucks left over for that. Not a bad deal, really. I mean, the fries are pretty good.

Add in another $5 and I'm going to Mizzou's home opener as well. Everyone wins!

Don't forget and leave at halftime.