Originally Posted by siberian khatru (Post 12601941)

WOW

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Source confirms: <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Nationals?src=hash">#Nationals</a>, if deal is completed, will send Lucas Giolito, Dane Dunning and Reynaldo Lopez to <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/WhiteSox?src=hash">#WhiteSox</a> for Eaton.</p>&mdash; Ken Rosenthal (@Ken_Rosenthal) <a href="https://twitter.com/Ken_Rosenthal/status/806620169019805700">December 7, 2016</a></blockquote>
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Originally Posted by BWillie (Post 12601913)

Soler could very well turn into an All-Star someday. But, if we are going to trade away pieces and not compete next year. I'd rather blow the whole ****ing thing up and get as many prospects as we can.

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut (Post 12601867)

By all accounts Moore tried to do exactly that in July. He was looking for Giolito or Turner from the Nats and Urias or Pederson from the Dodgers. The thought at the time was that he was going to cost more than what the Cubs gave up for Chapman because of the extra year of control.

But the second forearm injury put the kibosh on that. I can't recall what it was at the time but my memory is they were closing in on some nice packages with the Nats and/or Dodgers.

You really can't fault Moore for that one. Davis got hurt at the exact worst possible time. It kept him from getting traded at the deadline or significantly re-establishing his health after it.

Just some fairly shitty luck.

Originally Posted by Mr. Laz (Post 12601855)

Hope you're correct but i doubt it. This reeks of one of Dayton's Halfway moves.

Partially dumps salary, pickups a JAG who can play right now.

ultimately nets us nothing:

Guy we pick up isn't good enough to make a difference
Don't dump enough salary to sign a guy who would make a difference

All it really does is keep us from totally sucking while Dayton hopes our farm guys are developing. Standard Moore stall tactic.

Hopefully Soros is a stud though

I think this also leads to us trading another outfielder like Cain or Dyson.

Can't trade Gordon because that would be selling really,really low. Who would want him at his current salary?

I had hoped we would be selling high at least when trading Davis but we didn't.

Originally Posted by duncan_idaho (Post 12601953)

The second forearm injury really, really ****ed the Royals. The Royals were poised to get Turner, Giolito, Michael Taylor, and Austin Voth for Cain and Davis ... until the injury.

Originally Posted by duncan_idaho (Post 12601953)

The second forearm injury really, really ****ed the Royals. The Royals were poised to get Turner, Giolito, Michael Taylor, and Austin Voth for Cain and Davis ... until the injury.

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut (Post 12601951)

No way. Really?

I mean...put Quintana in there WITH Eaton and that trade makes sense. But damn, Eaton for Dunning and Lopez straight across makes a lot of sense. Giolito is too much to give up for Eaton on his own.

Sumbitch, that's crazy. Cost control is driving teams out of their minds. These GMs are desperately trying to avoid the FA market so if you can peddle someone like Eaton with 5 years of below market team control in tow, I guess teams will pay dearly for them.

I still can't believe the Chisox will actually get that, though.

Originally Posted by fahrenheit (Post 12601961)

Paging Dayton... if it's not done yet, get on the phone and offer Cain for Lopez\Dunning.

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut (Post 12601951)

No way. Really?

I mean...put Quintana in there WITH Eaton and that trade makes sense. But damn, Eaton for Dunning and Lopez straight across makes a lot of sense. Giolito is too much to give up for Eaton on his own.

Sumbitch, that's crazy. Cost control is driving teams out of their minds. These GMs are desperately trying to avoid the FA market so if you can peddle someone like Eaton with 5 years of below market team control in tow, I guess teams will pay dearly for them.

I still can't believe the Chisox will actually get that, though.

Originally Posted by duncan_idaho (Post 12601965)

And while I was typing that huge post, the White Sox pulled off the trade of the season.

I don't know if the Nationals felt sorry for the White Sox about the return they got for Sale or what... but holy other of God, that's an insane return for Eaton.

You're talking about the top pitching prospect in baseball, the No. 12-15 pitching prospect in baseball, and another very good pitching prospect in Dunning who still is far away but is a top 100 type.

Originally Posted by Mother****erJones (Post 12601976)

ROFL Quintana is too valuable man do some ****ing research.


Rick Hahn being a boss at these meetings

Originally Posted by Mother****erJones (Post 12601982)

What my ChiSox got for Sale is just fine. Moncada they say is Cano with speed and Kopech is like Syndergaard type plus the 2 others players in return

Originally Posted by siberian khatru (Post 12601963)

Ho-ly shit. What's your confidence level on that info?



Because I'm about to cry.

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut (Post 12601946)

No. It's a good article, give the dude some pageviews.

That said, he's right. It's reality for small and mid-market teams. You don't get to be great every year for a decade. You don't usually even get a full 5 years. Small and mid-market teams are going to ebb and flow.

The key is to be the Royals and not the Rays. The Rays are going to be shitty for awhile because they didn't get value when they could've on guys like Price and Longoria. Worse still, they didn't actually win the prize and the Royals did.

Or you can try to get lucky like the Pirates have done and when McCutchen gets a little older you have Polanco behind him. When you can't hold onto Volquez, you have Taillon and that 9 foot tall mother****er that can't throw strikes who's name escapes me (edit: Glasnow - I have no idea how anyone ever touches that guy). That allows you to force the window back open for another few years.

But those don't come out of nowhere - you have them when you need them or you don't. A view of the Royals farm system says they don't have them. Ventura is probably not going to be that ace and Duffy burned through too much service time to be the cheap reinforcement you needed. Zimmer's arm is hamburger and while Cuthbert is a nice player, he's not a cornerstone type that they needed to replace Hosmer as the Pirates have done with Polanco.

It's a hell of a lot harder to keep things going in modest markets. So Moore's going to have to keep doing stuff like this. It's not fair, but it's reality.