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The Franchise 12-07-2016 03:14 PM

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Originally Posted by ChiefsCountry (Post 12601814)
Moose? Great clubhouse guy. Above average defense, has some pop. Grew up in the LA suburbs. Solid player.

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Originally Posted by duncan_idaho (Post 12601834)
Good defender with a plus arm, very steady and excellent hands.

As an offensive player, again, great hands and good raw power. Started trusting his hands again before he 2015 season and simplified his swing/stopped trying to pull EVERYTHING.

He's a 3-4 win player if he comes back from the ACL surgery (which there is no reason to Not expect), I think. With potential to be a 5-6 win guy if he has a breakthrough power season (like he was trending towards before last year's freak injury).


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Originally Posted by Prison Bitch (Post 12601825)
Well there's a lot of stuff out there on the internet. He's also been on TV a lot the past couple years, over 30 playoff games and the AS Game too.

Go **** yourself.

Mr. Laz 12-07-2016 03:23 PM

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Originally Posted by duncan_idaho (Post 12601822)
Soler will play every day in RF/Dh for KC and offers an upgrade to the offense from that position. Potentially a very sizable one. That's the strategy, first and foremost. KC got better in the OF by trading Davis. Secondary strategy is extending the window beyond 2017.

If they were trying to dump salary, they would have just taken the best prospect package available. They didn't. Instead, they took a guy with less control and a higher cost - about to hit arbitration eligibility.

That's not a salary dump. It's a reshuffle of assets.

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Hope you're correct but i doubt it. This reeks of one of Dayton's Halfway moves.

Partially dumps salary, pickups a JAG who can play right now.

ultimately nets us nothing:

Guy we pick up isn't good enough to make a difference
Don't dump enough salary to sign a guy who would make a difference

All it really does is keep us from totally sucking while Dayton hopes our farm guys are developing. Standard Moore stall tactic.

Hopefully Soros is a stud though

I think this also leads to us trading another outfielder like Cain or Dyson.

Can't trade Gordon because that would be selling really,really low. Who would want him at his current salary?

I had hoped we would be selling high at least when trading Davis but we didn't.

DJ's left nut 12-07-2016 03:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Mr. Laz (Post 12601855)
I had hoped we would be selling high at least when trading Davis but we didn't.

By all accounts Moore tried to do exactly that in July. He was looking for Giolito or Turner from the Nats and Urias or Pederson from the Dodgers. The thought at the time was that he was going to cost more than what the Cubs gave up for Chapman because of the extra year of control.

But the second forearm injury put the kibosh on that. I can't recall what it was at the time but my memory is they were closing in on some nice packages with the Nats and/or Dodgers.

You really can't fault Moore for that one. Davis got hurt at the exact worst possible time. It kept him from getting traded at the deadline or significantly re-establishing his health after it.

Just some fairly shitty luck.

Chiefspants 12-07-2016 03:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Mr. Laz (Post 12601855)
All it really does is keep us from totally sucking while Dayton hopes our farm guys are developing. Standard Moore stall tactic.

Aren't you the guy who thinks Moose, Hosmer and Gordon have all been disappointments?

Mama Hip Rockets 12-07-2016 03:46 PM

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Originally Posted by siberian khatru (Post 12601628)
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Soler is basically Wil Myers a year ago - 25-yo RF with 4 years of club control. Dayton traded Wil, got him back, won a title in between. 👍🏻</p>&mdash; Rany Jazayerli (@jazayerli) <a href="https://twitter.com/jazayerli/status/806584674608939008">December 7, 2016</a></blockquote>
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Myers MiL career: .299/ .389/ .521
Soler MiL career: .295/ .379/ .519

Myers ML career: .257/ .331/ .429
Soler ML career: .258/ .328/ .434

They are both shitty outfielders, too.

Buehler445 12-07-2016 03:48 PM

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Originally Posted by DJ's left nut (Post 12601727)
Obviously the Chiefs thought Matt Cassel could throw or they wouldn't have traded for him.

What the **** does that have to do with anything?

I'm honestly not convinced Bubba can even see. It's hard for premier athlete to hit .180 and strike out 10 times for every walk in AAA. Michael Jordan was a better player in his only season in AA than Bubba Starling was last season and Michael had to do it in the Southern League. Bubba got to take aim at the Texas League and still couldn't figure it out.

Bubba wouldn't be a good hitter for a pitcher at this point. Damn shame because the tools are off the charts.

I laughed pretty hard at this.

BWillie 12-07-2016 03:49 PM

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Originally Posted by ChiefsCountry (Post 12601797)
Halfwit, bwillie, laz, and cosmo hate it. Sounds like Dayton did alright then.

Soler could very well turn into an All-Star someday. But, if we are going to trade away pieces and not compete next year. I'd rather blow the whole ****ing thing up and get as many prospects as we can.

siberian khatru 12-07-2016 03:53 PM

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Originally Posted by thurman merman (Post 12601903)
They are both shitty outfielders, too.

Which is why one of them is now a 1B. :D

Discuss Thrower 12-07-2016 03:54 PM

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Originally Posted by BWillie (Post 12601913)
Soler could very well turn into an All-Star someday. But, if we are going to trade away pieces and not compete next year. I'd rather blow the whole ****ing thing up and get as many prospects as we can.

So move Hosmer, Moose, Cain...?

What type of return would ever justify those trades?

Sure-Oz 12-07-2016 03:58 PM

http://www.kansascity.com/sports/spt...119443603.html

Someone post this article

siberian khatru 12-07-2016 04:05 PM

WOW

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Source confirms: <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Nationals?src=hash">#Nationals</a>, if deal is completed, will send Lucas Giolito, Dane Dunning and Reynaldo Lopez to <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/WhiteSox?src=hash">#WhiteSox</a> for Eaton.</p>&mdash; Ken Rosenthal (@Ken_Rosenthal) <a href="https://twitter.com/Ken_Rosenthal/status/806620169019805700">December 7, 2016</a></blockquote>
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KevB 12-07-2016 04:06 PM

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Originally Posted by siberian khatru (Post 12601941)
WOW

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Source confirms: <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Nationals?src=hash">#Nationals</a>, if deal is completed, will send Lucas Giolito, Dane Dunning and Reynaldo Lopez to <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/WhiteSox?src=hash">#WhiteSox</a> for Eaton.</p>&mdash; Ken Rosenthal (@Ken_Rosenthal) <a href="https://twitter.com/Ken_Rosenthal/status/806620169019805700">December 7, 2016</a></blockquote>
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That's crazy. Oh, and that's how you rebuild. Sox still have Frazier and Quintana that should bring back value. Maybe Abreu if they can find a taker.

DJ's left nut 12-07-2016 04:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Sure-Oz (Post 12601932)

No. It's a good article, give the dude some pageviews.

That said, he's right. It's reality for small and mid-market teams. You don't get to be great every year for a decade. You don't usually even get a full 5 years. Small and mid-market teams are going to ebb and flow.

The key is to be the Royals and not the Rays. The Rays are going to be shitty for awhile because they didn't get value when they could've on guys like Price and Longoria. Worse still, they didn't actually win the prize and the Royals did.

Or you can try to get lucky like the Pirates have done and when McCutchen gets a little older you have Polanco behind him. When you can't hold onto Volquez, you have Taillon and that 9 foot tall mother****er that can't throw strikes who's name escapes me (edit: Glasnow - I have no idea how anyone ever touches that guy). That allows you to force the window back open for another few years.

But those don't come out of nowhere - you have them when you need them or you don't. A view of the Royals farm system says they don't have them. Ventura is probably not going to be that ace and Duffy burned through too much service time to be the cheap reinforcement you needed. Zimmer's arm is hamburger and while Cuthbert is a nice player, he's not a cornerstone type that they needed to replace Hosmer as the Pirates have done with Polanco.

It's a hell of a lot harder to keep things going in modest markets. So Moore's going to have to keep doing stuff like this. It's not fair, but it's reality.

KevB 12-07-2016 04:07 PM

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Originally Posted by DJ's left nut (Post 12601867)
By all accounts Moore tried to do exactly that in July. He was looking for Giolito or Turner from the Nats and Urias or Pederson from the Dodgers. The thought at the time was that he was going to cost more than what the Cubs gave up for Chapman because of the extra year of control.

But the second forearm injury put the kibosh on that. I can't recall what it was at the time but my memory is they were closing in on some nice packages with the Nats and/or Dodgers.

You really can't fault Moore for that one. Davis got hurt at the exact worst possible time. It kept him from getting traded at the deadline or significantly re-establishing his health after it.

Just some fairly shitty luck.

He and Hoch getting hurt near/around trade deadline really blew up the sell high from the pen strategy.

Fansy the Famous Bard 12-07-2016 04:09 PM

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Originally Posted by siberian khatru (Post 12601941)
WOW

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Source confirms: <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Nationals?src=hash">#Nationals</a>, if deal is completed, will send Lucas Giolito, Dane Dunning and Reynaldo Lopez to <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/WhiteSox?src=hash">#WhiteSox</a> for Eaton.</p>&mdash; Ken Rosenthal (@Ken_Rosenthal) <a href="https://twitter.com/Ken_Rosenthal/status/806620169019805700">December 7, 2016</a></blockquote>
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Holy balls.


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