Worse every year.

Any news here? No movement from FSU, Clemson, Notre Dame, Louisville, etc.?

That's nothing new. It's been a showcase for the last 50 years. It makes a bajillion $'s for the power brokers in the universities and the NFL doesn't have to subsidize it. It's always been a perfect situation. For everybody but the players.

The players only get $100,000 worth of scholarships, the best coaching in the world, and a four-year audition for a job that pays millions of dollars per year.

I'm hearing no new news until mid August, if then.

You'd think teams would be jumping at the bit to join such a great conference.

The Clemson boards seem to think Notre Dame is ACC bound.

They actually are, since you're not specifying which teams. Louisville desperately wants in. Of course, its a simple mind that assumes he thinks he knows what is going while making generalized and biased assumptions to attempt to denegrate the Big 12.

We're going to be making more per year than any team not in the PAC, B!G, or SEC, and in the same neighborhood as those conferences. We have a partnership deal with the SEC, that will combine the two conferences that have made the BCS Championship game more than any other.

That kind of earnings potential will entice schools to want to join, but it doesn't mean we have to offer. We actually are in a position to be selective.

Now, go and have fun in your junior membership.

Sounds like the Big 12 has no interest in anyone except Notre Dame. Landing a deal so valuable with only 10 teams was a bombshell. Especially given the fact that each team is free to earn whatever they like 3rd tier. No reason to add anyone unless it really boosts the earnings even more and at this point only ND and perhaps FSU do that.

It's weird though because apparently the deal the Big 12 signed with FOX and ESPN includes clauses that increase the payouts for ANY schools the Big 12 adds. Talk about a power position. Well done.

Gotta love those who talk as if they are the schools president LOL

Yeah that JR membership has landed them some of the top facilities in the nation, a top 25 recruiting class in football, more national exposure, and enough money to extend our football coach to keep him from going to other schools.

Meanwhile KU is being used as a filling spot for the Pac 12 plane and hired a coach who was fired from his last head coaching gig. Whats the bar set at? 5 wins this year? Rock Chalk.

I've heard that talk, but the B12 boards had some of the same talk a few months back. Personally, I wouldn't want ND as a partial member unless it was with agreement that it would soon be full membership, If ND is going to the ACC, then it will probably be as a partial member. Afterall, why make a separate Orange Bowl deal if you were planning to join the conference contracted with it, anyway?

I don't think it will matter to FSU either way. Not even ND/partial member can make up the money gap between the ACC and the B12. If ND is coming as a full member, then it means they got some sweetheart deal that's more likely to piss FSU off. These dead times are full of misinformation, deliberately set free, with various purposes in mind.

Either way the ACC is fine. None of these conferences are going anywhere. It's funny that after all of this pretty much any school will be eligible to win the NC instead of just BCS level conferences.

It's more convoluted than ever.

Well, then go enjoy it and quit sticking your dick in media holes it wasn't meant for.

Your coach is already talking shit on the playoff format because he knows Nebraska will never be good enough to get into the top 4.

Have fun!

Bill Self just went yard.

I disagree, the net effect will be that schools not from the Big 4 conference will find it even more difficult to get into the playoffs. They'll be some sort of RPI that will take in conference difficulty combined with a selection committee. You would have to have an undefeated team with quality opponents, and if your conference doesn't offer it, then it will handicap you. When they were projecting what form this type of selection might look like, only 2007 Virginia Tech would have made it in the BCS era.

I agree with that but wasn't it impossible for a non BCS conference team to make it into the BCS NC game before? I could be wrong but I thought that was the biggest gripe from Utah, Boise etc...

Or were they just never voted in? I never paid that much attention because the system seemed so random.

No, they could get in, but as a non auto bid conference, they had to meet certain criteria, like being ranked so high, etc.

Basically, if you lost once, you couldn't get in, whereas a BCS auto bid school could lose once or twice, and if it won its conference, still get a shot.

Who cares? Non-BCS teams shouldn't be allowed to play in the championship game either.

Are the auto bid conferences still in tact or is that tbd?

The only way to have a true national champion is to have every single team that competes at that level to have a chance to win it all. Otherwise it's not a true championship.

This is how every single other sport works.

There are no "auto bid" conferences in name, but the Big 4 will make it very difficult for anyone not from one of their conferences to crash their party.

Yeah and in other sports teams play more balanced schedules.


There's no comparing Boise State's schedule to Florida's.

The whole system is still a sham and a fraud

The system, clunky though it may be, does a better job of crowning the best team as champion than any sport at any level.

QFT

I think the NBA does IMO.

Well you could just hand the team with the best record the trophy every year. That would be fun, I mean...you'd have to take out all those nice post season "moments" from well......forever. But yes, like in present day college football the best team would always win.

all these teams falling all over each other to join the big 12 - are they in yet?

And don't forget it's the only sport where you can possibly have 2 teams that are champions. It doesn't get much better then that.

So the 2011 Mavericks were the best team?

Who was better?

There is only one BCS champion.

There were three teams with better records. I mean, Dallas didn't even...gasp...win their own five-team division.

So the term "Split National Championship" is never used in college football?

How did those teams do against Dallas in a 7 game series?

As discussed it appears the Big 12 is only interested in one school. They've pretty much stated that publicly and it has been discussed repeatedly in this thread. The Big 12 has achieved enormous payouts via media contracts with only 10 teams which is remarkable considering that other conferences need as many as 14 to be considered valuable.

ROFL

ROFL

Honestly I think the discussion and controversy in comparing college football teams makes the sport special. I wouldn't mind if we completely did away with the BCS game or playoff and went back to just playing bowl games.

With the inherit inequality of practically every single college football program it is probably the best way for people to enjoy the games. Fun times on the afternoon enjoying football. That's what it has been for 150 years.

If an organization would like to pick a national champion at the end of the season then by all means...

But it isn't the NFL. It never will be.

Duh. It's college football, not the NFL. Who's saying it is and who's saying it should be?

The same way lsu did against bama in the title game.

I'll still take a best of 7 series to determine the better team over what turned out to be a best of 2 between LSU and Bama. The larger the sample size the better IMO. Baseball is a totally different animal so while I think the large sample size gets the best teams into the post season the best teams don't always win in the post season in the MLB.

That makes no sense. If you are making a sample size argument, shouldn't it hold for either sport?

I'm chuckling remembering the dumb rednecks last time complaining about there being a clear #1/#2 title game because those teams had met in the regular season. "ah already seen that game! Ah wants me anotha game!" as if we should place teams in the championship because some fans think the schedule should cater to their interest instead of bringing the two best teams together

:spock:... ROFL

The room for error in baseball is just too small and can have such a critical effect on the game and a single player has a much smaller effect on the games outside the pitcher who only gets to pitch 2 times in most 7 games series.

That's why you see more dynastys in basketball then baseball IMO. The better team almost always win and thus is able to repeat, three peat or win 6 of 8 titles. Something very rare in baseball.

You could make a similar argument for football, no?

Yes, is which is why I would say a 7 game NBA series seems to always have the superior teams prevail compared to other sports.

I don't know shit about hockey, but they might have a beef.

Thanks Tex!!!

The conference that is crumbling just had a huge spot on Fox during the ASG. So much for that. lol

New Vandy uni's

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"The Dude of WV" tweeting FSU to B12 as #11, press conference scheduled for this Tuesday.

The Dude of WV ‏ @ theDudeofWV @ hihoze @ JSi07 Its back on again. B12 agreed to add FSU as 11 on Tuesday July 17th at 4:00 p.m.

Also from one of the other "insiders":


This was actually posted before the "Dude's" tweet came out.

Awesome!

Thought they weren't good enough for the Big Whatever???

Who planted that thought?

The Big 12 is only willing to expand for Notre Dame.....unless of course FSU or anyone else is interested, then they will be invited.

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As discussed it appears the Big 12 is only interested in one school. They've pretty much stated that publicly and it has been discussed repeatedly in this thread. The Big 12 has achieved enormous payouts via media contracts with only 10 teams which is remarkable considering that other conferences need as many as 14 to be considered valuable.
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Of course you quoted the dumbest mother****er in the history of discussion, but no credible person has said that as far as I'm aware.

Of course you're probably in the top five for that "award" yourself

Well, since it was known that FSU was interested, the B12 has been interested in FSU. Texas beats a loud drum for ND, which would absolutely add value, but they haven't been the "only one".

FSU absoultely adds value in name recognition, market value and recruiting territory. The reports I am familiar with listed only three schools as added value from the ACC: FSU, VPI and Clemson. Miami would have, but the recent shadow over the program has made them rather toxic. From there it is fairly cost neutral to lower value.

The bigger scuttlebutt was over #12. Clemson was thought to be the better option, but relations have gone cold. This, of course, could change quickly if the SEC goes poaching in the ACC as well. VPI was believed to be an SEC target, and rumors persist there is a "gentlemen's agreement" between the B12 and SEC on who each will pursue.

That means that only ND is left as a school that "adds value" to the conference. It had the added bonus of no withdrawl fees. Louisville, Maryland and a few others would definitely like to be in the conference, but the B12 is being stingy with the invites. I know its a difficult concept for some to accept, but the B12 is actually in a position of strength regarding expansion, they don't have to accept members just to survive. They will add if the overall value of doing so is beneficial to the B12 member, which FSU clearly is.

Now, if you get ND as a full member #12, that's the home run. Since that doesn't seem to be the sentiment as of today, the B12 will play 11, like the B!G did, until it gets what it wants, probably Clemson, but maybe G Tech, or even Lousiville. If the SEC takes some bites, maybe the B!G follows, and all of a sudden schools with cold feet are ready to dance again.

The other huge factor is what happens if the SEC does go to 16? I imagine they will petition for (and get) conference semi-final games. Once that value is determined, the overall value of teams considered neutal to slightly below, will increase, and the B!G and B12 will move to 16 to cash in as well.

Now tweets are coming in, tapping the brakes again, saying "nothing is agreed to" and "parties are still waiting on Notre Dame". Could mean a lot of different things.

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I agree with every word atomic noodle wrote.

What makes you say that pilgrim?

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http://www.everydayshouldbesaturday....big-12-episode

LMAO

Contrary to popular belief, Kansas DOES NOT allow skeet shooting in the second half during football games, but there's nobody there to stop you if you really want to. ROFL

and that leads us to Kansas...Missouri pops on the screen

ROFL

Maybe you can bold it larger next time.

so FSU is joining the Big 12?

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Shutdown Fullback is a wonderful series. The recent episodes on the ACC conference and on Alabama football have been spot-on.

I watched this and was waiting the entire time for the lulz and it never came.

Well, maybe there a little at the end when KU and Charlie Weis made that guy so angry. haha, that was kinda sad for him.

Hopeless.

7,819 people agree with you.

I guess I could see it not being that funny when your team is historically bad. I imagine most everyone else enjoyed it.

I'm glad you got a kick out of it! I posted it just for you!

Rarely do the ones getting laughed at find something funny.

I noticed Mizzou is 10th in the sec in recruiting what's up with that?