Yeah, the Warrior DVD is a complete burial...no surprise there.

I just think that segment is the funniest thing ever, Warrior's promos are beyond bizarre.

Sure, but that's basically a typical WWE thing. He wasn't a good wrestler but the reality is, almost the entire WWE roster at that time wasn't. He had a unique look and gimmick and was majorly over and made money. I've seen some shoots with Warrior he's not nearly as out there as is implied, He always addresses things as "my character" "working on a language for my character"

I always wonder if it pains guys like H and Michaels that no matter how hard they try they will never draw like he did. Shawn Michaels era on top nearly bankrupted the company.

Oh I agree, my point was just that you knew that Vince and co. were going to turn that DVD into a hatchet job and bury the Warrior after their beef with him.

I don't know what to make of him TBH, he just seems really out there for me, both in and out of the ring.

Those promos are gold though...as is Jericho's interpretation lol.

Seems like a nice enough guy

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They were going to bury Hart too before he agreed to talk with Vince and go to Stamford to meet and discuss his history.

And I guarantee you that it chaps their asses. No matter how many illegitimate reigns he gets, Triple H is not, and never will be a major draw. However, someone for 411 did a good job tracking merch sales of his opponents. What he is good at is depressing the merch sales of the guy he is facing because of how he buries them in the feud.

H isn't a draw.
Cena is a draw. I will say that as much as I don't like the Cena character, I respect the fact that he busts his ass inside and outside of the ring, and he makes his opponents get a lot of offense in before he hits the five moves of doom. H has never, ever learned this story.

Cena would be appreciated a lot more if he didn't have that Paul Levesque-esque (c wat i did there?) streak of being booked like an unbeatable super-beast a while back. Despite having a bland character and having less-than-desired ability, he's really passionate about the industry.

Maybe, but since he came back from his first major injury, he gave the rub to Batista, ****ing JBL, Shawn Michaels, whoever got the clean pin on him in the EC match at NWO, Orton, HHH got his pin back, he's jobbed quite a bit for the top face in the company.

Meanwhile, look at Paul's record after he came off his two major injuries.

Since August '07, he has a clean pin loss to Jeff Hardy?, and I believe that is it.

****, Triple H and TV-PG are just ruining this product :shake:

True dat, unfortunately.

You know, what, I'm just going to keep ranting on Triple H.

Why? Because **** him, that's why.

This post is great though:

I will never warm to him, as he simply has held to may careers back when they were on the brink of stardom. RVD was n fire when he was jobbed out to Hunter, Kane had finally regained that spark when Hunter blocked from the main event. Now I know his fans may sneer at these two but people these were both insanely over when Hunter killed their pushes,. Now then lets begin this talk with Booker T.
The feud they had back in 2003 was a disgrace, Booker on fire at the top was made to look like ****, and the climax to their match at mania remains one of the most disgraceful finishes you will see for a long time. For those who don’t remember Hunter took nearly half a minute to pin Booker which killed Bookers momentum and took him years to regain.
Then we shall fast forward to Cena at Mania in 2006. Hunter the heel in there feud in the build up showed no interest in getting Cena cheers which was a total no no for a heel.Cena was made to look beneath him and even in the match Hunter done little to get the crowd behind Cena. The biggest disgrace to this was of course he had politicked his way into the match, Edge who was in the form of his life should have been in the match, at least he would have got the crowd like Cena which he proved he could do superbly later that year.
Now then lets analyse his return, first thing he killed Booker in a squash match at Summerslam which was to be synonymous with what was to come. The night he buried five guys for no reason including the tag champions made no sense storyline wise except to boost Hunters ego. Then he turned Carlito a decent upper card heel into a total jobber, in the space of a few weeks. The guy was one of the more promising heels in the roster, but Hunter killed his momentum and its he is only beginning to recover from this burial. He has admitted this himself in interviews. We look at the brutal 2008 title reign which was terrible, the crap matches with Khali, the fact that Cena and Edge for some unknown reason were jobbed out to him to sooth his massive ego. Then of course he destroyed Umanga over and over.
I should mention Orton his most disgraceful burial.....
2004, Orton has the title for a mere month before he has to job out to Hunter for months.
2006 Orton and Edge were buried by DX, at least HBK earned some redemption by putting Orton over clean in 2007
2007 Hunter was it again, he ruined the night when Orton regained the title by pinning him 30 minutes after he got it.
2008 Just when Orton’s run with her belt had taken off, Hunter buried him in three consecutive PPVS.

Since Backlash 2006, Hunter has not been pinned with a finisher in a PPV, he lost twice last year on TV which was a result of interference. it’s the manner of his victories as well which leave a sick taste in the mouth, Cena tries always to make his opponents look good while Hunter destroys them.

Indefensible.

Where you at, Big Rock, where you at?
Over here, to the rear, with your girl & the fourties of beer.
Where you at Big Rock, where you at?
Over there with the bad attitude cause I just don't care.

I'm just a very casual observer of wrestling these days, but Hamas has me wanting to see Hun-tor blow out his quad again.


A question for those of you way more up to speed on the WWE than I - Have they had a sizable drop in talent coming up through the ranks? It seems to me that since Austin and Rock have left, it's the same guys having the same feuds over and over, with the names changing back and forth from month to month. And as for the talent that seemed to be on the way up (the Carlito's and Shelton Benjamin's, for example), why were they undercarded?

LMAO

During Randy Orton's media blitz of the U.K. last month, PowerSlam Magazine conducted an interview with him. During the interview, Orton's asked if he was happy that Triple H got drafted to SmackDown. Suffice it to say, Orton was. Orton also noted a comment Umaga told him backstage during the night of the draft regarding moving away from Triple H when he was drafted to SmackDown (but before he found out Triple H was moving to). And then you won't believe what Orton has to say on Triple H. Here are Orton's comments when asked by PowerSlam Magazine what he thought about HHH being drafted to SmackDown:

I was at the Draft (on June 23) after I got hurt. I was in the locker room watching the backstage monitor. I was hoping to get traded (from Raw to SmackDown). Actually, it's funny because Umaga just got traded to SmackDown. He was like, "Man, you know what? At least I haven't got to be around Triple H no more." So (Umaga) goes to SmackDown and I'm like, "Yeah ... F--k you!" The last Draft pick's Triple H and I'm like (punches the air), "Yes! Oh, my God! Yes, yes, yes!" I went right up to Umaga and I was, like, "You've got to deal with it now!" It was my favourite Draft pick, to be honest with you. And we got Rey Mysterio, we got Kane, Batista. I've got history with those guys.

Here's the problem: You don't have territories to build guys any more. There isn't any place for people to ply their craft. Furthermore, the territory system would teach guys to wrestle different styles, whether or not it was Strong Style (like the Harts) or the Southern style.

Imagine a pitcher who was able to learn 4 good pitches before being called up, and got to build up from 120 to 150 to 180 to then 200 innings. He'd be much better prepared than a guy who went straight from high school to high A, and then got called up in September and was thrust into a make-it-or-break-it role in the big leagues.

Of course, Vince destroyed the territories, so it's largely he who benefits and suffers from their decline (although not nearly as much suffering as we do).

When I was deepest into wrestling, I enjoyed it because I could read up on what was happening in the WWF, NWA, AWA, Mid-South, the Deep South, and keep up on all the favorites there. I enjoyed it when Flair would cross over and put his title on the line against the Von Erichs, or Steve Williams, or any number of "heroes" of that particular organization. And you're right - it worked in keeping styles and identities "fresh", without being totally buried or foreign to the fan. The competition for the talent between organizations was a plus, as well. Ricky Steamboat made his name in the WWF, but made himself and the NWA a mint when he came over and beat Flair for the title. It's that kind of crossover that I miss, I guess. Going back and forth between Smackdown and Raw really doesn't do much for me, personally. It's just not interesting, especially knowing that any of these guys could turn up on the other show any given night.

Basically, you're saying Vince's desire to be the King of Wrestling has soured the product, and I agree. Like I said, I just poke my head in from time to time, but all I see are the same guys doing the same shit. The best thing that could happen for the WWE is to have the territories come back, and let some up and comers find their niche so the WWE could have some newness to it.

Just imagine if every basketball team was filled with guys who were 6'6", weighed 210-215 pounds, and all had the exact same offensive game and defensive mindset.

Think about how boring that would be to watch. That's basically what the WWE is now. The only guys with even remotely innovative offense (Bourne, Morrison, RVD in his time) aren't and weren't given a chance to shine. There's no variety to the product. No tag division, no cruisers, no IC or midcard fueds of any interest.

The one guy at the top of the card who has a slightly different approach is Jeff Hardy, but he's basically only a spot monkey. He can't tell a story worth a damn.

Thanks. I thought it was p. good. I was able to invoke both the poster Big Rock, who has defended HHH on this forum, and reference Kid Rock, who stunk up Reliant Stadium on Sunday.

Oh, and Benjamin was buried b/c of his tendency to botch moves at times and his inability to talk.

Carlito was buried for his attitude (supposedly) and the idea that he half-asses it at times (who knows).

HHH took great interest in burying Carlito in the Fall of '07 on one of the first stops of his Quadfest II: Burial, the Reunion.

IIRC, They set up a match btw. Carlito and HHH where Carlito was allowed to use weapons and H couldn't, and Trips still squashed his ass.

LMAO

Thanks for the info on those two. They seemed to be pushing both of those guys pretty hard and fast. Carlito was like top two or three villian with his dumbass apple bit, and Benjamin scored a couple of suprise pins on HHH. I half expected to hear that Hun-tor got vaginitis over the attention they were getting, and went crying to daddy-in-law about it.

I guess that's when you know for sure you've been demoted in importance in the WWE.

Personally I think Triple H's greatest moment is his Wrestlemania match with Warrior.

The Ultimate Warrior didnt draw big money. I am sure he sold a lot of tshirts and all, but his run on top in 1990 was a disaster. House show business tanked. The company went running right back to Hogan after less than a year.

Shawn Michaels didnt draw well in his year in top in 1996 either, but WWF was taking it hard from WCW and the nWo for most of that year. Warrior had no such excuse for his run. Also consider that Warrior completely collapsed from strength of the Hogan era, while the title run for Shawn was precceded by a year of Nash, one of the worst drawing champions of all time, and a few months of Bret, who also wasnt a terribly strong draw on top (though better than everyone else mentioned).

Over the course of Shawns career, he has probably made WWE twenty times the money Warrior ever did. To say otherwise is completely insane.

Neither of those statements is true. Do you guys just believe everything you read or what?

No offense to your opinion but there is not a more overrated wrestler in the history of wrestling when it comes to drawing and making money than Shawn Michaels. People like him because he can work matches. Shawn Michaels is the wrestler that was on top when they came very near going out of business...

It's of course cool to rip on Warrior but I will guarantee you this he has more name value appeal than pretty much 99% of wrestlers who have ever wrestled. And this idea that he was never a draw is pretty absurd, of course he tanked in comparison to Hogan in ****ing 1990 most everyone would.

Who pinned him with a finisher?

Its not an opinion, the amount of money people drew are verified facts. The Warrior drew little. So did Shawn, but he has made far more for WWE over his career than Warrior ever did. If nothing else, that should be common sense due to longevity.

He tanked in comparison to anyone. Randy Savage drew better as champ than Warrior did while Hogan was off making No Holes Barred and god knows what else.

I only know this because I recently saw it, but Randy Orton RKOd him and pinned him in a tag match during the DX/Rated RKO feud. And I am just going off memory here, but didnt Edge spear him when he won the belt at Survivor Series?

He lost to Edge because Jeff Hardy hit H with a chair...

I also don't recall him being pinned with an RKO, I recall him losing a last man standing match.

Different matches, one was a tag and one was the LMS. But that is the beauty of phrasing things so specifically, he wasnt *pinned* with a *finisher*. Doesnt mean he wasnt pinned. Doesnt mean he didnt lose because of a finisher. By that rule you could eliminate him tapping out to Cena at WM.

But phrasing it a certain way makes the argument look stronger than it is. Which is why such things are usually a waste of time.

I think it's phrased that way to avoid this line..."he lost to Jeff Hardy" you know not factoring in that, that win was made to look like a total fluke and treated as such.

Billy Kidman d. Hulk Hogan

I just think it's funny to see people defend Trips the guy is our generations Hogan as far as his actions he's just never been close to the draw...

In his mind he wants to be Flair, so then he acts like Hogan to keep his spot while all the while he's Kevin Nash.

LMAO Holy shit.

lol, I didnt even remember that one.

No offense to anyone here personally, but as much as you found the funny quotes after Mania from HHH fans and all, its also funny seeing angry HHH haters dredging up the same old stuff time and again. Its like someone going around posting endlessly about what a lousy draft pick Ryan Sims was. We know, but come on already.

I was reading back to old posts about this, and someone said it really well about how its like some people are endlessly trying to prove a point about HHH that doesnt need to be proved to anyone. And when they do it, they usually rely on the same he hasnt been *pinned* with a *finisher* type stuff to boost their case, when the case doesnt need boosting.

Its like the LAPD planting evidence on OJ when he did it anyway. The overall case is right, but the questionable method its presented in just makes it easier for people to dismiss it. People still raging against HHH after all this time are just turning people off to it.

Also, if you want to talk about draws, you have to give HHH his due. He is one of the top in WWE history. He certainly hasnt been a draw in recent years to any noticable degree, but the peak financial years in WWE (2000-2001) came with HHH as the top heel.

People say, well business was hot because of Austin, but he was out that whole time with neck surgery. Then people say well it was Rock, and thats no doubt true to an extent, but it was when HHH and Stephanie took over as the evil couple that business really started to grow beyond the 98-99 Austin level. There was a period of 2-3 months after Austin left to have his surgery where there was concern about business cooling off. Then the McMahon-Helmsley got hot and business actually ended up improving from where it had been. So he definitely deserves his share of the credit.

No doubt his longevity helps his overall standing in a historical context, but I think Dave Meltzer has said that if HHH had retired in 2003 he would probably still be among the top 10 biggest draws WWE has had. So the idea that he hasnt been a draw is pretty untrue, at least in the big picture.

I like talking about the money stuff, someone set me up with another. I have lots of old Observer figures and stuff saved if anyone wants.

Why is it that there will always be someone there to defend him then?

You can go onto wrestling forums and atleast half of the forum will defend him and go "you're just an H hater" etc.

And he should be raged against right now, he just beat the companies hottest young heel at the biggest show of the year when he didn't need to do that. Not to mention he has now killed 2 Mania crowds in mainevent matches...if he was anyone else he'd never get another one.

Can that really be argued anymore? As soon as Austin and Rock were done the company went in the shitter, H was always the 3rd man riding their coat tails.

Lets not mention that when he was first put into the mainevent scene with his first title win the crowd shit on it and him basically saying "we don't want this guy". The WWE's reaction was to ram him down everyones throat and give him everything possible till people just accepted it.

I think its a combo of 3 things.

One, he has fans, and fans will always defend someone.

Two, like I said, the people still raging on and on about it turn people off.

And then three, a lot of the times people stretch the truth and halfass their arguments, when you could make plenty of valid cases about HHH without having to embellish it. And some people argue those points, like I did with that bit about how he hasnt been pinned. Its not true and I said so. That doesnt mean HHH is my favorite wrestler, but there is no sense arguing mistruths.

Did he kill the crowd, or was the crowd already spent? Its the chicken or the egg, and people who hate him will see it one way, and people who dont will see it another.

The one match show killed the crowd I guess....that whole Taker/Shawn burnt out the crowd card is being overplayed seeing as there was a match between them...and that guy Austin didn't seem to have a problem getting a reaction after it.

The crowd wasn't spent for Austin, five minutes earlier.

What killed the crowd was a shitty match that offered nothing in the way of twists or turns other than a bland ref bump that meant nothing.

The thing that really pisses me off about that is, Taker who I don't really personally like is 45 ****ing years old and he can bring himself to put on a top match every single year at mania he can drag it out of himself on the biggest stage to perform.

Triple H can't even bring his broke dick ass up to have a good match when he's maineventing the biggest show of the year.

Its not an argument, these are business facts. WWE business was doing well from the Austin era, but began an upswing in early 2000 when the HHH-Stephanie marriage angle got hot. Austin was gone and Rock was already hot all through 1999, its not like something happened to make him even bigger.

Obviously HHH isnt in the league of Austin or Rock as a star, but to say he was never a draw just isnt true. And the real declining started when the WCW invasion failed, thats when business trends started to noticeably go south. Then the brand split weakened things because shows were only featuring half the talent. Rock and Austin were still regulars at that point, but obviously when they left it didnt help.

Yeah, and they kept at it and he ended up becoming a big star. The same thing happened to Rock when they first pushed him. Everyone hated him. Then they stuck him in the Nation and pushed him into a feud with Austin that nobody thought he deserved at the time. But by the next year, he was the future of the company.

A lot of guys have that story.

Saying he's like Hogan in keeping his spot is an insult to Hogan.

Hogan made all of his opponents look strong. Whether it was Bundy crushing his ribs, Savage whipping his ass in the "medical room" at SNME, or Orndorff, Andre, or Slaughter, every Hogan opponent was made out to be ridiculously strong up until Hogan got the blowfish cheeks going.

Who looks strong against Triple H? Jeff Hardy when he pins him with a rollup that Triple H then laughs about? Randy Orton, whose faction can barely take him 3-1 and then gets punted, sledged, and pedigreed? Edge?

Yeah, he put Dave Batista over big in 2005, therefore he's like Rock, he makes everyone look good.

Triple H is also the only heel who wasn't booked like a total pussy, the guy never "shows ass" so to speak.

Also why every year at the HOF does one of the old guys have to suck off Triple H like he's the greatest thing ever?

That's just ridiculous

Rock's first push was awful and the fans crapped on him as a result.

After that, the Rock got over all by his goddamned self. He got himself over when he was in the Nation with maybe the greatest mic work in the history of the business.

Go look up his promo from the Monday before Summer Slam of '98 when he rips on Chyna, or when he gave gifts to the Nation.

However, Rocky's time as a full time wrestler ended the Monday after WM 17, after that, he never really worked a full schedule again, even though he came back later that summer.

And as far as being a draw, everyone in the ****ing world was watching in 1999 and 2000, and the belt was flying back and forth. By the time Rock and Austin were on their way out, and HHH was the undisputed top guy, it was after WM 18, and shortly after that, and the horribly botched Invasion Angle (thanks Vince's Ego), business went in the shitter.

If HHH really was a draw, he would have gotten Raw 5's and 6's and not 3's once the business cooled off.

A month ago in this thread people were talking about the great era of heels in WWE with Jericho, Edge, and Orton, and now they are all just pussies? The only one who might be arguable is Edge, but I would say he is more sneaky than a pussy. People buy him as a credible threat in the ring, which is what matters.

Regardless, what about Brock Lesnar? No one wants to remember, but Khali was world champ for a while. Then you have Kozlov. All were pushed like monsters.

They still want jobs in 10 years.

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"The clique can't rule forever" maybe they can...

Brock Lesnar was given the biggest God push since Hogan, that's true.

Khali and Kozlov can't work and can't talk. Orton, Jericho, and Edge are three of the best guys in the company. There is an ocean of difference there.

And Edge is booked like a pussy. When was the last time he had a clean defense of his title on a PPV? The dude has won 8 titles, every time through nefarious means, and never just goes over anyone clean.

Orton was just bitched out hardcore over the course of two months. Yeah, he got to punt Vince and Shane (of course Shane gave him everything he could handle) and took out Stephanie, but every time he went up against H, he was either getting tossed out of windows or his faction was getting buried.

Which was well after his feud with Austin that I mentioned. I am talking about their IC title feud in 1997. Rock had been put in the Nation and was doing nothing. The Nation was doing Gang Warz with DOA and Los Boricuas. They couldnt have been less important.

Austin was feuding with Owen and the Hart Foundation, but they all left after Survivor Series and Austin needed a new opponent. He got Rocky. Almost to a man, the reaction at the time was like why is Rocky getting another chance? Austin was the hottest guy in the business and they were sticking him with this guy?

But in that feud he became The Rock and turned into a star. Sometimes guys get hot right away, some times it takes another try, and some guys never make it no matter how many times they get pushed (Billy Gunn leaps to mind).

And look up his promo when he first calls himself "The best damn Intercontinental Champ there ever was."

It was a textbook example of how to cut an egotistical promo without relying on cheap heat.

Orton is booked like he should never be in a fight, he is made to look like he's a lilly soft guy who can't hang with anyone in a fair fight.

He got beat up by Shane McMahon for christ sake.

Any guy in the company would have been over with what they gave to H, he wasn't given time to change his character....he was given Stephanie McMahon and a ton of camera time.

But I always enjoyed how some guys would just be pushed down everyones throat while other guys got once chance and were deemed failures to never be heard from again.

I just think of it as sneaky with Edge. People think he can win. He got into the Elimination Chamber through shady means, but he won it.

I think if someone is a pussy, nobody thinks they can win without help. Santino, now thats a pussy.

I remember an interview that Bret did with "Off the Record" about six years ago when he said that he had nothing but the highest regard for Austin and Rock, and said when he first saw Rock he said "this is the guy who was going to take my spot", and when asked about H he said that no one ever really considered him one of the boys and always felt like he was an ass-kiss.

I think WWE heels are booked in pussified fashion because they feel it's the easiest way to keep someone heel. The young male demo generally won't overly cheer for someone they think is a pussy.

If you make a guy a badass heel half the crowd is going to cheer for him.

That just goes back to why Rock basically said he'd never come back to work Michaels, when Rock was given the IC title run early, HHH and Shawn thought Rock was taking his spot and flipped out and it involved Michaels telling Vince "this guy Rock, he's not shit, he'll never be shit, you should just fire him now" and apparently the Rock has never forgotten that.

That and Bret and Rocky were close and he was really pissed about Montreal.

I think it was pretty obvious that Triple H had/has a personal issue with the rock and always has...

The Rock went out of his way to put Hurricane over and as soon as he left, H buried him.

THAT WAS ME. Of course, I'm just the guy defending HHH, durr furr hurdy dur.

If you're going to say stuff, make it credible. Have some objectivity. Make it so a blind guy can't find his way through all the holes. That's my entire point and has always been my point, whether it's about HHH or anything. Why is that so hard? It's really not.

If one of youse saw some dubious exaggeration or whatever about a draft prospect, you'd be all over it like stink on a monkey. I see the same dubious exaggerations and such for YEARS and I finally get to where I'm like "yeah, well, that's not actually true" and suddenly I'm carrying Hunter's bags*.

This does not mean I care to see him on my TV, going over more talented younger superstars of wrestling. I hope we can put this issue to rest.

(*Which I would. 'Cause then I could probably carry Stephanie's bags. And then HIT ME VINCE

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Meltzer put out a list of WWE's all-time top money makers just a little while ago. HBK was on the bottom end of the top ten. I don't think Warrior was in the top 25.

tee hee. holes

Seriously? Do you remember that match?

I stand corrected. Warrior was in the top 25. He's #24, tied with Batista.

HBK is #10 on the nose, incidentally.

I'd say now, if you were to see what the best comparison to the territories is, it would be the various Independent feds. ROH is obviously at the top, with a mix of different styles and sizes (pure wrestling, brawling, comedy stuff, etc.). PWG out in Cali is like a mini-ROH but focuses a little more on comedy and blood feuds. CZW out in Philly is like a wannabe hardcore ECW with a little pure wrestling thrown in. And there's Chikara, mainly focused on really goofy characters and high-flyers. There are many others (IWA-MS, NWA, etc.).

The problem is, the indies could be a great farm system for WWE and TNA, but the talent doesn't get used properly. Stars of the indies that go to TNA end up being being booked in a completely reeruned fashion (mainly look at Samoa Joe's recent run). As for WWE, Vince does not like performers that he did not create, so he re-names these guys (CM Punk being an exception to the rule) and gives them characters they weren't used to portraying. And while many of the wrestlers in the indies are great overall performers (Danielson, Aries, Quackenbush, etc.), they aren't big lumbering jerkoffs, so Vince doesn't think they will draw.

Yeah got to admit I really respected steamboat back in the day. But after hearing the story about a young wrestler on the plane I thought to myself oh god it's HHH again. I lost a little respect for him. When I saw that kolo b ware got in I thought man he really must have kissed vinces a@@ to get in. I like HHH but it does look like everyone kisses his butt.

this is play...it is all pretend....it is all staged....it is not real

You've got to be kidding. Warrior is a wrestling Icon. Batista is an over roided freak with 0 lasting power.

He's talking about backstage politics.

I know it's fake but the politics are real and HHH appears to be great at it.

By the way talking bout koko in the hall of fame what did he do in his career to deserve this honor?

He was black.

Did you guys see that the HOF speeches were all written by WWE, and that they played music to get Bill Watts off the stage after he went completely off-script? Jesus Christ. Classy.

So that explains Steamboat's HHH plane story, CA.

Shut the **** up, Donny! You're out of your element!

That's disgusting.

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Haha. Crazy racists. Good theme though back in the day.

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Just saw the latest ROH videowire, here it is:

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Right at the very end, they have a preview of Joey Ryan coming into ROH. They are really starting to stockpile talent right now. In the past several months, they have added:

D Lo Brown
Eddie Kingston
Joey Ryan
Jimmy Rave
Colt Cabana

Add in there that eventually Paul London most likely will come back. I imagine they will lose a few guys to WWE or TNA by summertime but they still have quite a roster even if they take some hits.

Where did you read that? I heard that because they wanted to cut things down this year, they had the HOFers work with the writers to hone their speeches. But its not like they just handed them scripts to read. And a few reports said Watts got cut off because he went way past the time limit, and they were actually flashing the :00 clock at him for several minutes.

Supposedly they realized that cutting everyones time was a lousy idea, so hopefully that is the end of that.

While we're at it, why not discuss some backstage fights of yore, like Jericho-Goldberg, Steiner-Page, or my personal fave, Steve Blackman crescent kicking JBL and knocking his ass clean out.

When I watched it on USA they only showed last two speeches how did you guys see the entire speeches?

Batista and Warrior are a funny comparision. I'm guessing that most of the people who remember Warrior fondly were, generally speaking, somewhere in the 8-15 age range during his hayday. At least I was.

Today, as older sophisticated informed intelligent internet newsletter fans, Batista is just a juiced up dude who can't work. But that's exactly how the informed newsletter crowd of that era saw Warrior. If you ever get to read some old Meltzer stuff where he'd go on about Warrior, it's hilarious.

It wasn't backstage (I think it was on an overseas flight), but for my money, the one where Bradshaw punched out Michael Hayes and then X-Pac cut off Hayes' ponytail and ran up and down the plane aisle, swinging the hair above his head, whooping like an Indian, is tough to beat.

They always stream the live show on WWE.com, except for the speeches they show on TV. There's probably a download of it somewhere or other.

Styles vs. Bradshaw is good for pure shock value.