Oh.

This is one of those I will answer your question with my own questions....

If they all were to stay for their sophomore years, they would probably have a good chance to be one.

That doesn't surprise me.

What is your point? We were overrated at #2? I don't think that's much of a point. Besides, who cares?

What tier of teams do you envision these guys to be in after regular season?

What?

That's not all of it. It's a part, but the guards don't want to get the ball inside, by either passing or driving. They just want to pass side to side instead of attacking it. There's no drive and dish. There's no moving the zone in and out to create some openings to get the ball inside.

It's just too easy to defend and it's not all Ellis' fault. He needs to be more aggressive in getting position and grabbing rebounds, though.

We just did this two years ago... I think they bottomed out around 18 when they lost to Davidson, and they'll land somewhere around there next week, except they have a tougher end to non-conference this year.

Even if people were saying it could be the best Kansas team ever, I think the important part is COULD BE, such as develop into... everyone has been saying for months they'll be a completely different team when it matters, just like two years ago. Falling a whole 8 spots from preseason through the first week and a half of December isn't unexpected when those rankings are based on potential.

They might be a great team in the making... trying to determine that now is dumb.

The point was to show how pointless your questions are.

In what tier of teams do you envision KU to be when B12 tournament starts? I don't know what's so confusing about the question.

upper...?

That's tough to say. Have you seen the B12 this year? Tough.

KU is going to go from #2 down to #16-#18....that is a nice drop. Has anyone else had such a severe drop this season? I really dont care what you think of the question...there is an answer.

There is an answer, but it's completely meaningless. Yes, KU was overrated in the preseason polls. What exactly does that have a bearing on? LOL

Obvious rule that doesn't exist doesn't exist.

"Upper" as in the top 10 and competing for the NC?

Well except for KSU, TCU and West Virginia because they all kinda suck. Okie St. and Iowa St. will give KU a run this year in the B12 i think.

Weren't you talking about the B12 tourney?

Again...don't think you phrased that question very well.

Michigan was 7th and they're not ranked now... it's really not that big of a deal. They were in the same place in mid-December 2 years ago and made it to the NC game. That's how much it matters.

The only reason I brought up the B12 tournament was to clarify my "post season" condition in case you didn't understand it.

I think we will be a 2 seed in the big dance if that is what you are asking...

So...your asking me where I think they will be ranked in March?

OK. So what exactly is your point then?

They have a long ways to go....I think I said that about 20 posts ago.

Yeah, but those teams all play each other, too.

You think they're going to be a 2 seed, everything else is irrelevant.

Enjoy watching the master craft another masterpiece from the raw talent he was given and don't worry about the rankings so much.

Clearly worth the panic.

Only a two seed???

Im not worried about it. I said earlier today that they were going to have trouble with this game... And I expect to see dramatic improvement as usual out of self's team to get to a likely 2 seed.

This is going as I expected....

Gotcha.

Gee, why panic?

Seriously!

I am glad they have dropped, rankings are way overrated,it's only a conversation piece for the fans to sling mud at one another.

Tell what college basketball team does not have a long ways to go ?

It's just way too early to get excited over with a bunch of freshmen, Bill Self is Bill Self, not John Callipari.

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This was posted on phog...had to post it here too. LMAO

We'll be fine Gentlemen, remember back when we were 3-3 with Chalmers and company?

#2 seed? If the tourney was today theyd be an 11 seed.

Good thing it's not today.

Also . . . wrong.

Well...we would be tied for last in the Big 12 with zero wins.

Maybe we'll be CIT champions this year. Could always use another postseason banner.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/College...son_Tournament

Quality feedback.

Somebody needed to tell you that referees don't typically call fouls for violations of rules that you made up.

Well that no-call on Wiggins sure took all the wind out the comeback sails

Normally teams in the top 20 with strong computer rankings get 4 seeds. I don't know what you're arguing here but it's really dumb.

It's not like we lost to 3 horrible teams. We've lost to 3 top 25 teams. These losses will mean shit.

What an idiot.

We lost by 6 to the #19 ranked team (probably higher after this week). Should still be in the top 25.

Yep.

Yeah, that game sucked.

It was nice to see them come back and try to win, but you let anybody run a 21-0 run on you, you're going to lose.

But Florida is a good team. I'd rather take this and (hopefully) learn and get better than beat the **** out of Nowhere A&M in AFH.

Hopefully we start attacking zones. This team should demolish zones, particularly half court traps.

Yup. Until this team shows that it can consistently beat the zone, they are going to see it every game. Jesus, half the possessions were just 2 of the guards playing catch with each other.

Game lasts another 5 minutes and KU wins.

And that's not counting the obvious foul against Wiggins at the end.

oh well, moving on

I texted my buddy the same thing. I'd throw my normal gameplan in the trash and start running through some half court traps and different zone looks.

The team is being taught by the rest of the country what it's weaknesses are. I'm happy it's happening now and not in Conference play\tournament.

In both the Colorado game & the Florida game - both teams had the lead & comfortably had control of the game while they were playing zone defense. The moment they switched out to man is when KU started to make their run to get back into the games.

I will trust my judgment.

Ellis was hounded from behind and there wasn't a call.

But, keep casually watching KU games and tell us right from wrong. Please.

If Florida shoots better from the charity stripe it never gets close.

oh well, moving on

Yeah, that's no shit. What did they end up shooting on the night?

I had no issue with the refereeing last night. In fact, I thought it was the best called game all year from KU's perspective. Florida would have only had 25 or so FT attempts had we not started intentionally fouling towards the end... Compared to our usual 35+

And if KU had handled the ball better in the first half, KU would have won the game... what's your point?

If Kansas could have scored more points than Florida, they would have had a much better chance of winning.

My point exactly.

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HOLY SHIT, I have now heard it all. Thank you.

You fuggers are just lucky you didn't play that powerhouse South Dakota last night. No worries, we took care of that team full of Lottery Picks:D

Your mother was a hamster and your father smelt of elderberries.

I'm still trying to figure out why he thinks that over the back is not a foul. :hmmm:

The Dakota's have given my Purple Brethren much trouble this year.

Florida dominated that game props to them. With they'd return the trip to AFH. If we get stuck hosting some trash like Arky or Ole Miss next year I'll be pissed. Either Kentucky or fla, no exceptions

Don't we play Kentucky in the Champions Classic next year?
Yeah, I don't think they will play KU in AFH, as well.

You might be the dumbest sports fan alive, and that's even assuming black bob is still alive.

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You are right, I didn't even think of that. Looks like it has to be FLA. I'd hate to see some shitbox team come into Mecca. Although itd be funny as hell for the SEC to sacrifice the Mizzouchebags to the altar with no return trip back to CoMo

I thought it was officiated pretty well also. They missed the big one on Wiggins but their big man with the giant beard got hosed on one too.

I'll take that over Embiid getting 10 minutes because he commits a stupid one or two and then he gets 3 ticky tack ones.

It's the SEC\BigXII challenge, they wouldn't have a choice. It's seeded by the placement of the teams the previous year within the conference

You realize that there is no such thing as "over the back", right? It doesn't exist. You're like the guy who gets mad at the blackjack table when the dealer doesn't pay off his "seven card Charlie".

Don't kid yourself, Kentucky has a choice.

This is amazing. I thought Kansas fans would at least have some understanding of basic basketball rules. Have you ever seen "over the back" called? What is the hand motion the officials use to indicate this foul? In which section of the rule book will I find "over the back" defined?

It is if there's contact.

So, you're that guy, huh?

Everyone else knew what I meant. But, Saul Good Basketball has to come in and make sure everyone is detailed and thorough.

You're a complete ****ing idiot. I'm truly blown away. You actually know nothing about basketball.

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The ****?

There is no such thing as "over the back". You guys are like the moms at a YMCA game that yell at the refs to call "reaching in" or complain that the foul was minor so the other team should only get to shoot one free throw and not two.

And if we are being detailed and thorough I never said "foul" in my original post.

All I said was an "over the back" was missed.

Now, back to the conference realignment thread you go.

You are ****ing worthless. If I have inside position and you get the rebound from behind me, even above me - good for you. Not a foul.

If you come over the top of me, using your body to push against for leverage on top of me, it's a loose ball foul. The "hand motion" you are asking for is one fist in the air and the other pointing at the player.

Well...if you can't trust the announcer, who can you trust? Never mind that the next words out of his mouth were, "You don't let players decide the game in the sense that, if he fouls, it's a foul."

Clearly, he has the secret rule book page containing the mysterious "over the back" penalty...aka "the Sasquach" rule.

You can go over the opponent's back as long as you don't touch him.

You can reach in as long as there isn't contact.

Neither are fouls.

The moment you get them with the body or touch them, it's a foul. This isn't hard.

"Nobody is totally worthless: You can always serve as a bad example".-Wise man

And clearly you have nothing better to do today.