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sedated 12-07-2016 01:46 PM
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Originally Posted by alnorth (Post 12601584)
Since we have Herrera we can spare one
I don't hate the trade as much as many here, but I don't think KC could "spare" a closer. The bullpen really struggled last year, bullpen was the key to the 2014-2015 teams, and the price has skyrocketed on relief pitchers since then so its not like they can go out and buy another.

ChiefsCountry 12-07-2016 01:47 PM
This board sucks Dorsey's dick hard who hasn't won shit yet gets pissed at Dayton who has actually won shit.

Discuss Thrower 12-07-2016 01:51 PM
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Originally Posted by ChiefsCountry (Post 12601607)
This board sucks Dorsey's dick hard who hasn't won shit yet gets pissed at Dayton who has actually won shit.
I'm not pissed.

Mr. Laz 12-07-2016 01:51 PM
Royals changed the league by having a fantastic bullpen with several guys that can constantly shut the game down after the 6th inning.

That formula is pretty much gone if we don't keep our "spares"

DJ's left nut 12-07-2016 01:52 PM
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Originally Posted by alnorth (Post 12601584)
To be fair, the value of a closer goes up dramatically when you think you can make the playoffs. If you are rebuilding or a .500 team, then it makes more sense to trade a good closer rather than keep him in the hopes of finishing 3rd in your division instead of 4th.

Since we have Herrera we can spare one, and this trade looks even to me. 1 year of an elite closer with health concerns for 4 years of a former top prospect who is marginal defensively but has huge potential on offense. The fact that Wade had an injury scare last season probably harmed his trade value so this is probably about what he's worth.
Two words knocked the prospects that Duncan is looking for out of the equation:

"flexor bundle"

That's a common 'overuse' injury and it's right where the UCL attaches (more precisely, the medial epicondyle). If you're straining the pronator muscle there via overuse, you're also almost certainly straining the UCL as well.

The dude's a ticking time bomb. Maybe he makes it through 2017 healthy, maybe he doesn't. But nobody was going to give up a Chapman style package as soon as those whispers started.

Rooster 12-07-2016 01:52 PM
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Originally Posted by sedated (Post 12601603)
I don't hate the trade as much as many here, but I don't think KC could "spare" a closer. The bullpen really struggled last year, bullpen was the key to the 2014-2015 teams, and the price has skyrocketed on relief pitchers since then so its not like they can go out and buy another.
Didn't the bullpen go 41.2 scoreless innings setting a new MLB record without Davis?

Soria struggled but the group as a whole was strong.

siberian khatru 12-07-2016 01:52 PM
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Soler is basically Wil Myers a year ago - 25-yo RF with 4 years of club control. Dayton traded Wil, got him back, won a title in between. 👍🏻</p>&mdash; Rany Jazayerli (@jazayerli) <a href="https://twitter.com/jazayerli/status/806584674608939008">December 7, 2016</a></blockquote>
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Myers MiL career: .299/ .389/ .521
Soler MiL career: .295/ .379/ .519

Myers ML career: .257/ .331/ .429
Soler ML career: .258/ .328/ .434

Halfcan 12-07-2016 01:53 PM
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Originally Posted by duncan_idaho (Post 12601591)
fans of both teams hate the deal, which is usually a sign it was a pretty even deal.




Soler could hit .238 and break Balboni's record and be a well-above-average performer. Hitting .238 doesn't automatically mean a player is bad.



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They could have kept Wade and plugged Bubba in there- He could hit 12 homers and .238. I guess this means they have given up on Bubba the Great?

You need a DH that is going to put the ball in play and drive in runs. He is still young though so lets hope he turns into more of a rounded hitter.

.315 with 40 homers would work. :)

siberian khatru 12-07-2016 01:54 PM
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Originally Posted by Halfcan (Post 12601633)
They could have kept Wade and plugged Bubba in there- He could hit 12 homers and .238.
No he could not

Prison Bitch 12-07-2016 01:54 PM
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Originally Posted by Sure-Oz (Post 12601577)
@jazayerli: And the Cubs wouldn't have traded Soler for Davis after 2014 even with 3 years of control. Soler is a great post-hype sleeper. https://twitter.com/stillbigwill/sta...80642028912640
Great. Now Rany is stealing from me. These people have no shame

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duncan_idaho 12-07-2016 01:57 PM
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Originally Posted by DJ's left nut (Post 12601624)
Two words knocked the prospects that Duncan is looking for out of the equation:



"flexor bundle"



That's a common 'overuse' injury and it's right where the UCL attaches (more precisely, the medial epicondyle). If you're straining the pronator muscle there via overuse, you're also almost certainly straining the UCL as well.



The dude's a ticking time bomb. Maybe he makes it through 2017 healthy, maybe he doesn't. But nobody was going to give up a Chapman style package as soon as those whispers started.

I'm guilty of underestimating the injury impact and probably also underestimating Soler's potential moving forward. For sure.


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Halfcan 12-07-2016 01:59 PM
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Originally Posted by ChiefsCountry (Post 12601607)
This board sucks Dorsey's dick hard who hasn't won shit yet gets pissed at Dayton who has actually won shit.
I don't think anyone is down on Dayton at all-but after his moves last year, I think you have to at least question things a little. Not that it makes a bit of difference.

Most of the board wanted to keep Ben- Dayton let him walk and he was a key part in winning the WS for the Cubs.

It is not like Dayton has been batting 1000 since the WS win. Lets hope he does better than last year.

sedated 12-07-2016 02:00 PM
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Originally Posted by Rooster (Post 12601627)
Didn't the bullpen go 41.2 scoreless innings setting a new MLB record without Davis?

Soria struggled but the group as a whole was strong.
The bullpen needs to be so good that it makes up for little starting pitching and an inconsistent offense. That's a higher standard than most.

Unsmooth-Moment 12-07-2016 02:00 PM
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Originally Posted by Halfcan (Post 12601633)
They could have kept Wade and plugged Bubba in there- He could hit 12 homers and .238. I guess this means they have given up on Bubba the Great?

You need a DH that is going to put the ball in play and drive in runs. He is still young though so lets hope he turns into more of a rounded hitter.

.315 with 40 homers would work. :)
Look at OPS instead of AVG.. It's a better indicator of what a player is capable of. His career OPS is .001 lower than Hosmer. He's had limited PA, so it could go either way still.

Chiefspants 12-07-2016 02:01 PM
Game 6 of the 2015 ALCS may be what limited to us to Soler.

Ain't even mad. After reading that Dayton sent Davis to the Cubs without a physical I'm suddenly feeling 110% better about this. How do you even bring that up to the GM you're trading with?

In GMDM I trust.


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