yes, black hat + engineer is probably the best thing about this game.

I dont care what they say.. FMJ increase normal damage besides going through walls.. I am over 3/1 using that thing on a smg..

And what is with teammates chasing a guy that is chasing an enemy behind you, but you dont know he is there. and they dont shoot them until they kill you.. boggles my mind

I wish there were a perfect blend of BF3 and BO.

BO is too run around and shoot for me. I love BF3 but I know a lot of people think it's too slow; I can understand that.

I'm very reluctant to get this; I didn't much care for BO; and got MW3 as an xmas present last year that I just recently opened, and FFS is sucked so bad. I'm not a MP slayer, but also not a complete putz either.....but holy shit, you'd think I was playing with one hand.

Terrible.

don't. BO2 is pretty terrible. The lag is just horrendous and it has the worst spawns in the history of shooters.

I'm not buying this game, seem's like the hype died down and everyone realized how trash it is after a week or so of it being out. I was playing Black Ops 1 just the other day and I'm content with that, even though it's like 2-3 years old, I don't need to dish out 65 bucks to a company that just wants to scam me.

Don't worry about it. I had like a .84 KDR on my call of duty game. By the time I got good, it was too late to really significantly improve it.

I think it has the potential to become the Madden of FPS.
...from the sounds of it, at least

that's the thing that's frustrating to me; I don't give a poop about my k/d etc, but holy shit.....it was REALLY bad in MW. THere are games in BF where I'm better than others, but after about 3 hours on MW3, I don't think I ever had more than 8 kills. It was almost comical.

I must be reeruned. LMAO

I sold it first week I got it. I like IW more than Treyarch, though, so I couldn't overlook its flaws.

given the history of this series, the game will probably be better in february. I would hold off if you are on the fence.

Looking for a couple more guys for zombies tonight.

360.

Let me know.

What time?

You might want to repost that at gayplanet.com. I'm sure that will be a 1000 reply thread in no time. "Xbox + Zombies" just screams gay.

Some time this evening.

The queers are probably still better COD players than shotgunning PS3 n00bs.