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Not nice.

We shall see. This is his last chance...or should be.

Smith is the starter for the next three seasons.

Only if he earns it.

There is really nothing to "fix" with Alex Smith at this juncture in his career.

But to answer the question. Assemble an overall top 5 defense, particularly great at points allowed. Build a much better Oline at pass protection and run blocking then what they have now. Acquire or develop an old school, security blanket, pass catching TE (ie Gonzalez,Whitten), and greatly improve at the WR position. Andy Reid can also help by sticking with a run first scheme, passing off play action. Alex is a play action QB and could advance a team deep into the playoffs with the above improvements.

Surprised by the numbers of Matt Ryan. Roddy White, Julio Jones, etc.

He doesn't have to earn it. He just can't **** it up. As long as he is not making mistakes and costing this team he will be allowed to continue as the starter.

He isn't great. During this graph time-frame he was leaning hard on Tony G. to bail him out on 3rd downs and the redzone specifically.

What Roundup said.

You don't bench a guy you're paying $20m a year that you acquired for two second rounders.

The anti-QB contingent is going to get exactly the franchise they deserve.

So those charts aren't even recent? Jesus

And there is my major problem. I'm not really killing Reid/Dorsey for not having a replacement for Alex because besides the potential in Bridgewater, they haven't passed on much. The Foles rumor makes me feel better as well. But it's time to try something so that we can put somebody behind Alex to at least push him. It's time they take a bigger swing than Murray.

Yeah, they might step up to the THIRD ROUND! w00t!

See, the problem here is that you think that there is an "anti-QB contingent."

There really isn't.

Uh huh.

This thread is proof enough. You need a QB that elevates the play of those around him to contend for titles. Instead people are looking to rookies and possible FA targets to elevate the QB's play.

It's the same things that were said about Cassel... And Huard...

LNBS: Can Alex Smith be "Fixed"?
 

They were probably from that 8 game stretch he had in 2012, if I had to guess. The guy is a 9er transplant douche so that'd be a safe bet.

I think Alex was 3 for 19 on passes traveling over 20 yards in the air this year, which is horrendous.

Just like the Avery gif they pull out so often, that graph is just what they cling to when they say he can be accurate when passing downfield.

Yes. He can be. He hasn't been 8 years out of his 10 year career but he did it once so there's that!

He didn't earn the two years he's already received.

He's not going anywhere, sadly.

I'd argue that Smith has elevated the play of those around him. Quite easily.

This team, with basically the same starters, went 2-14 in 2013 and set NFL and franchise records for ineptitude. They were, without question, the worst team in football. And it wasn't close.

Yet, that team was comprised of super studs like Jamaal Charles, Dwayne Bowe, Tamba Hali, Derrick Johnson, Eric Berry, Brandon Albert, Dontari Poe, et al.

Within one season, you go from that horrific 2-14 to 11-5 and the playoffs. Sure, the schedule was a piece of cake, but that's a hell of a turn around in a single season. I believe it actually tied the NFL record for best turnaround in a single season. And what was the singular difference between that season and the previous one? I'll give you a hint:

http://www2.pictures.zimbio.com/gi/A...9MxGyscoOl.jpg

(And in that playoff game, that new QB sets franchise records for QB playoff performance.)

Then, the next season, when faced with the NFL's toughest schedule, they go 9-7 and on the verge of the playoffs even though they lost four main players to IR.

Tell me that's not elevating the players around you.

Nope. That was "new car smell" for an already talented roster. Smith only mildly peed in the back seat.

Matt Cassel / Tyler Palko / Kyle Orton went 7-9 with Thomas Jones and Jackie Battle at HB, Jake O'Connell at tight end, Bowe and Baldwin at WR with a defense that started Jon McGraw and Sabby Piscatelli at safety.

The defense went from complete ass to playing at a historic level for 9 of the 11 wins in 2013, but it was Captain Mormon's doing.

Comical.

Is Smith actually Mormon?

Asking for a friend.

We haven't won a playoff game since '93.

Bullshit and you know it.

How long has Charles been on the roster and has been considered one of the best RB's in the league?

How long has Dwayne Bowe been on the roster? Everyone around here thinks he's the greatest WR in NFL history and it's Smith that's ruined him. What's Bowe's Win-Loss record before Smith? Etc, etc., etc.

But yet, when Smith gets here, we have the first back to back winning seasons for the first time in nearly 20 years.

Weird.

Vick got benched a little over a year after signing a 100 million dollar deal.

Not that I'm aware of.

Smith isn't bad enough to warrant that treatment.

This is said alot around here, but how many qbs actually do that or are asked to do that 3 very game for said team to be successful?

Rodgers is. Luck is.

Other than that, who does it as much as cp seems to demand a qb have too?

This isn't about Smith elevating those around him. It's about him playing as well as the talent around him is playing. He didn't do that enough this year.

But put a team on their back and carry it to a superbowl? There are maybe 5 guys in the league that can do that. Maybe 5.

I think you are being generous.

I think there are guys who can do it, but don't or aren't asked to as much as luck and rodgers.

Name a better QB available in 2013.

I think neutering Alex Smith is cruel! :D

How many Super Bowls has Aaron Rogers been in?

Other than that amazing 2011 run, Rogers hasn't been a world beater in the playoffs.

How many has Luck?

Like I said, I think you are being generous.

Brady. Roelisberger. Warner. Aikman. Elway. Kelly. Montana. Bradshaw. Tarkenton. Greise. Manning.

Those are the dudes, as it stands, that have done that.

But **** Smith because he's not that guy. We should have that guy. Every draft. Every free agency period.

Why did there have to be? Thats like buying the nicest piece of shit on a car lot rather than taking time to go to a different lot.

Its not like he was signed as a FA on a one year deal.

Piece of shit, huh?

Like the 2013 season?

With Smith, we've had the first back to back winning seasons since '97 (after enduring one of the worst seasons of any team in NFL history), and you think that hasn't been worth two lousy second round picks?

You are wearing stupid like a cheap suit.

Shoulda drafted Geno Smiff like you wanted. Would have really taken us far just like NYJ.

Tell that to Dorsey...

LMAO. Yeah its all Alex Smith. Dude sucks and if you think otherwise you likely have on a pair of Ute panties.

Wll we wouldnt have be tied into a steaming pile of shit for 5 years of my life so yeah Geno would have been a better move given the flexibilty he gives you to add better pieces or move on to the. next guy

With a solid O line and legit playmakers at WR we could compete for one now.

Our defense is good enough already...

You tell me.

Go look at the 2012/13 roster versus the 2013/14 and 2014/15 rosters.

You tell me what's the main difference.

(And that's not even beginning to consider that the QB position is, without question, the most important position on the field. I've heard it said by all the 1st Round QB or Bust Crowd that the QB is the leader of the team.)

We aren't tied to him. And he's going to be an average paid QB in roughly around the 14th area after Luck, Wilson, Cam and RG3 get their paydays.

And that's not counting Big Ben who will jump him as well.

Agree.

Upgrades at two offensive line spots and a WR that can actually run routes and catch the ball and hit his breaks hard and this is a Super Bowl team.

Nice pocket, open receiver down field. Uh oh. Time to get those happy feet!

Idk man I'm worried about this run defense.

:LOL:Maybe or maybe not

Perfect pocket, 2 guys wide open... PULLS IT DOWN AND RUSHES FOR NO GAIN! LMAO

Guy breaking open for a TD! TOO RISKY, MUST THROW IT OUT OF BOUNDS!

You can't really blame Alex for being gun-shy with this OL. Fix the OL and we are better suited for success at this point.

yay! you can show stills from a live action game! EVERY SINGLE QB misses open guys on plenty of play. Do you know the play call? do you know the progression of the play call? Are you playing the QB position where your oline has been leaky?

Smith has made some bad decisions with the ball. However, I like the idea of building the team around the QB position, then , regardless of Alex' level of success, the team will be ready for his replacement.

False. His sack rate during the first 2.5 seconds in the pocket is below the NFL average. No need for him to be gun shy.

http://www.chiefsplanet.com/BB/showp...&postcount=227

Yeah, you can.

The OL isn't nearly as bad as Alex makes it look.

Also, he's a goddamn professional. If he's scared, he needs to ****ing quit.

and does he have WR that get open within those 2.5 seconds?

This is the route we'll be forced to take.

It's a good plan anyway. That's what some idiots don't really understand about the game. Discuss would have us trade Houston, Poe, and Jamaal because we don't have an elite QB. But what happens in 3 years when we've got the guy? We've got no talent to surround him with.

NFL open, yes. Alex Smith open, no.

But clearly he is better off throwing the ball within the first 2.5 seconds than holding on to it longer. The data points to him not seeing the field well and not being a QB who can make things happen.

I don't mind the "bend but don't break" philosophy that Sutton employed in defending the run. They were the best against allowing rushing TD's as well as the amazing job they did against the pass.

As well, considering that they lost Johnson, Berry and DeVito early in the season and those three were the best run defenders on the team, I think that they did an admirable job.

They should be better next year defensively, IMO.

They just need the upgrades at two OL positions and a solid receiver that fits the system.

This is such a flawed stat. Are the WR's open? Nope. How often was a TE (or multiple TE's) used to block to give the QB more time, thus taking away multiple receiving threats?

Alex has his faults, but you can't possibly be giving this OL a pass. The worst rated G accompanied by 72nd ranked LT and 64th ranked G are supposably now doing a fine job?

PFF for ya folks.

Is there an Aaron Rogers available? No, so WTF is your point?

Andy Reid's offense in one of the most complicated in the NFL. It takes a smart QB to run it, one that can read defenses well. Geno Smith is not that QB.

THIS...

Wait, so you use PFF to rank the gusrds, but shit on the other metric?

You asked a question and I was going to attempt to answer it based on your criteria.

You're acting like a butthurt pussy.

The guard rankings are a subjective metric.

The other stuff is just data, unless you think they can't operate a stop watch.

So then they are doing their job and shouldn't be ranked so poorly as individuals.

PFF has contradicted themselves yet again.

They didnt, you did.

If you define keeping the QB clean for 2.5 seconds as doing their job. A team could manage to do that and still have members of the OL that were poor.

The argument was that Alex Smith has a right to be gun shy. Since he isn't getting wacked in the first 2.5 seconds any more than any other NFL starter (in fact less than most) it does not seem that he should be gun shy. That is the whole argument.

Agreed. Win the redzone and your team will be a very good scoring defense. As you said, when they needed to stop the run to prevent TD's, they did it.

He got hit late by Von Miller and then destroyed by a Steelers player. The offense got the ball out so quickly most of the time this season.

You can't possibly say this OL did a good job giving the QB any time. The NE, OAK and SEA games they did a good job. The rest was definitely below average.

Why don't you watch the Denver game at Arrowhead and see what I'm talking about.

Also, how much of the scheming was a factor here?

Jet sweep fakes, read option fake to passes, etc. Those freeze the defense for at least a second.

This OL was not good at all, particularly at G. Just a good job by Reid to find some way to hide it.

Those are "winning seasons"?

Welp, okay then.

Does anyone else see these threads and to this still wonder 'why all the talk about Low Noise Bandpass filters?'

OL sucked.

And pressure from the outside is different from the middle.
That was what a lot of the pressure was. Guards getting beat or Fisher beat to the inside. QBs can set up and then step up in the pocket as a rusher turns the corner with an outside rush. Up the middle and a QB is usually screwed.


Another way to illustrate the OL suck is seeing Jamaal having to use wizardry to gain yards. No magic and you look like Trent Richardson behind this line.
http://i.imgur.com/Wc9XyNs.jpg

Reid and co. schemed the offense to hell and back because the crew up front was dog doo and it mostly worked out alright. Scoring and key conversions were in the top half of the NFL.

The OL was fine the first half of the year and then seemingly got really bad overnight.

I think it's clear as day that a big part of that was Alex Smith refusing to take advantage of the deeper throws when they were available. Made safeties refuse to respect our ability to throw the ball past 10 yards...so they could crowd the line and shut down the run while also eliminating most YAC. Teams were able to blitz a little more against us to create more pressure and that put a lot more pressure on the OL...especially when Andy wanted to call a more pass happy attack to counter teams stacking to stop the run.

The OL was never fine. It was always below average and got worse over night. It negatively effected all of the offense.

deeper throws were available? I guess I missed Dwayne Bowe running by those corners