I'm a liar?

LMAO

Touch a nerve there, tough guy?

After Albert and Bowe are signed to long term contracts and Matt Moore is signed to be the vet backup with west coast offense experience, I think Reid/Dorsey will choose Geno Smith or Nick Foles to be the face of the franchise moving forward.

Foles is AR's starter if he's still in Philly so he's not trading for a backup. He's trading for HIS starting QB. Both Foles and Geno played in the Air Raid offense in college, so AR has a good information base to compare Geno with Foles. If AR feels the ceiling for both are similar, it would make sense to try and get additional value from the #1 over all pick by swapping first rounders with Philly so they can get Joeckel. Kelly may not want to take a chance on the Cards trading ahead of Philly for him and Foles would be a cheap price to pay because he really can't use him to run spread option.

With the #4 pick, the Chiefs can take Chance Warmack. An o-line of Albert, Warmack, Hudson, Asamoah, and Winston would rival San Fran's for league best. If AR judges Geno and Foles to have similar ceilings, I think Foles plus Warmack would provide maximum value for the #1 overall pick. I would only acquire Fole with a swap of first rounders. Otherwise I take Geno #1.

Do you believe that Matt Moore has given up on being a starter in the NFL?

Well, you then why try and trade your starting QB for a 3 or 4 round pick? Doesn't seem like teams tend to trade away starting QB's very often.

for the love of ****; we are NOT drafting a god damned lineman. PLEASE absorb this in to your skull.
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He probably should.

Think that's why it's said they're asking for higher than a 3rd or 4th.

You've been blowing this Geno Smith thing way out of proportion all ****ing offseason.

You don't think he's a good QB. I get it. Whatever. But your insistence that Geno Smith fans throw a fit whenever somebody talks up Tyler Wilson or another QB, or that they claim they will quit the team if another QB gets taken is complete bullshit.

For me, this entire offseason of draft talk has been about wanting the Chiefs to move in a different direction from Pioli, who would have told Albert and Bowe to go **** themselves a long time ago. We'd already be hearing from Peter King leaks about how Luke Joeckel is the best football player to ever live. I don't want that, which is why I berate the ****ing morons that think it's a good idea.

If that sounds whiney or childish to you, look in the ****ing mirror.

They said they want a 1 or 2. They also said they wanted 2 firsts for McNabb.


I don't know what they want. I'd say Dennis Dixon or whoever doesn't exactly mean they are for sure shipping him off. He played pretty well for them last year and I don't see Kelly bringing the same system from Oregon with him, so I'd say FOles could fit.

Or also saying they don't want to trade him.

Kelly wants his QB's to be accurate so I'm not sure I really see Vick being a good fit in that offense. Just because he could run, doesn't automatically make him a fit.

The fact that they would want to trade Foles is a little leary to me, but if a guy doesn't fit your system he doesn't fit.


And also like it says in the article, I can't imagine the Eagles will be overly excited about trading Foles to Reid in KC,

Hey, whatever helps you sleep at night. How did you get a comforter big enough to cover your ego?

Dude, you are a hypocrite.

Plain and simple.

He spotted you a name.

You said there were DOZENS.

Start naming them or shut the **** up.

Seriously, your high horse shit is old already and you've been back all of about 5 weeks.

It's why I kind of don't see it. Reid would have to really believe Foles IS the QB for his time here for them to work out a trade.

I've not heard or read that any team or fan base is interested in him as a starter.

Disclaimer: I'm NOT comparing the PLAYERS.

This is EXACTLY like the Matt Cassel situation.

They give up a 2nd or 3rd for him and Foles is THE man. Period.

:popcorn:

Dane also has a pretty selective memory. He talks about Geno Smith getting inserted into every single football conversation being had this offseason, but he doesn't remember shit about 2009.

Mark Sanchez was EVERYWHERE. He was brought up in ALL football threads. By his supporters, detractors, and even by people who didn't have opinions. It was a huge topic. The Chiefs were in a position to draft a franchise QB. That's why Sanchez was getting "spammed" around the forum.

The cool thing about 2013 is there are a number of QBs that each deserve legitimate draft talk and consideration by the Chiefs at the #1 spot. I'm not even close to being tired of talking about the Chiefs drafting a QB. It's a hugely exciting time.

Yet when he was advocating for Sanchez in 2009 before the Cassel trade, that was alright. When Geno fans do it, they're "spamming the board."

Yeah, I just don't know if I'd be ok giving up a 1 or 2 rounder for him. 3rd maybe.

But yeah, if we bring him in, he's the starter.

Well the Pats franchised Cassel with the express intention of trading him from a situation where he was a backup, and nothing but. Foles is wanted, probably to start, a trade would have to sway a team and coach that is reluctant to trade what could be it's QB for the foreseeable future.

Kind of similar, except for the player himself, and the intentions of the team.

I'd say Kelly would be reluctant to let him go, based on the fact that he is so young and showed upside last year. It's not the same as Reid coming in her ewith Cassel.

It's a new regime and a new system there. He is not a fit. They'll be happy to get there 3rd back. Our 3rd is practically a 2nd. I'd offer them our 4th. My preferred price is our 5th plus someone we don't want anymore.

They were hurting for OL last year. I wouldn't mind giving them our 3rd rounder from last year straight up. Maybe Donald Stephenson has some potential, but so does Foles.

This is true.

Soon people with any reservation about Smith will be required to wear a yellow "Geno" badge around ChiefsPlanet

Chip Kelly's likely not going to find his Fun n' Gun QB in the NFL. I don't care if his offensive system somehow allows him to an extra offensive lineman-- Dennis Dixon is not going to win you shit in this league.

Michael Vick is a good fit. And I think Kelly needs to streamline his plays a bit more. Foles could possibly be what he needs.

OMG MAN! ... YOU GONE AND DUN IT NOW!!! ... TAKE COVER!!!
LMAO

Do you see the kind of people you're fraternizing with, Dane? True Fans and former Coalition dumbasses. You're allowing your distrust of anybody in this QB class to morph you into one of THEM.

Come back to reason, man. You don't want to be aligned with Ncarlscorner. If you continue on your path, you'll soon find yourself spouting Blackbobisms and demanding that Derrick Johnson gets straight up cut.

The Chinese government thinks you Genostrokers are a little over the top in your persecution of dissent.

Fraternizing? Because I've failed to jump on your stupid ****ing bandwagon?

Go **** yourself.

Seriously, go **** yourself.

See? That victim mentality. "The Geno mob is threatening my right to free speech! My opinion is just different than yours, why do you have to repress me? WAAAAHHHHHHH!"

Your angry rant style is the only thing protecting you from that right now, Dane. That's it. A thin layer of rhetoric.

Take a look at yourself, Dane. You're in a bad place right now. But that's okay. We're gonna get you through this together.

We're all going to ride Geno's luscious Genis to Candy Mountain.

Here you go again. You actually think all I care about is Geno Smith? You think if the Chiefs draft Wilson or Barkley that I'll stop being a fan of them?

You actually believe that, don't you? That's insanely idiotic. NOBODY has said anything like that.

Dane hates that he can't be one of the cool kids.

So he's investing in future cool kids shares by becoming the leader of Team **** Geno.

Then if Geno busts, he can show everyone how cool he is, and has been, for months.

He has to get his Cool Kid status back after the horrible fallout from TrentGreen2.0Gate.

A cunning plan, sire.

JFC...if the Chiefs get Foles w plans to make him the starting QB then I am beyond words. Foles sucks. He sucked in Philly. He sucked in college. Hes nothing special except a really really tall 2nd or 3rd string QB.

Why not? KC is in the AFC and the Eagles in the NFC.

You and I may be correct thinking so, but all we need is for Kelly to think otherwise. Who knows? He may be so system-blind, like Piolli, that he might believe he can win with Dixon.

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Speaking of Geno smith, did anyone here watch "Last Resort" on ABC this year. Geno looks almost exactly like the guy who played Serrat in that show.

http://www.jamati.com/online/wp-cont...hr-ngaujah.jpg

That's why I think you can safely offer a 4th for Foles (basically what Reid paid for him in the first place).

If they decline, oh well.

Damn. And i thought I spent too much time here....lolz
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Pros:
Quick release
Good pocket presence
Good velocity
Good accuracy


Cons:
3/4 delivery.
Most completions were dumps to a back or a TE, with very few down field targets.
Mostly locked onto one receiver.
Painful interception.
Preseason game

1st or 2nd? For a third round prospect that really didn't do anything last year? LMAO

No.

exactly

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ROFL

Uncanny resemblance, for sure.

We've endured attack after attack for months.

You can go **** yourself with a rusty fork.

YOU made us this way, dipshit.

No, it isn't.

You're better than that Frankie.

Where's RunKC? Paging RunKC.

Run, how many times have you been "attacked" since BlackBob was banned?

Exactly.

There are quite a few people here who lack ANY context of the lifecycle of the Geno discussion on this board. Was Left Nut attacked for saying something as a criticism of Geno early on? No. I have brought up negatives about Geno several times and I've NEVER been attacked.

The simple fact is that this all STARTED because anybody that said something POSITIVE about Geno got attacked. And now a couple of people want to turn that around and make it sound like the Geno fans are the instigators?

The simple fact is that the discussion got RIGHT BACK ON TRACK the instant BlackBob was banned and persisted that way for quite a while, right up until the point that Dane started his self-righteous rampage.

Seriously Dane, you're a hypocrite. Get over it or go the way of BlackBob.

This is one of the guys we've had to contend with for a good portion of the entire discussion about Geno.

http://www.chiefsplanet.com/BB/showthread.php?t=270055

Here's a couple of gems from that thread:

And this kind of stuff comes on the heels of people endlessly suggesting we should move Albert to guard and cut Dwayne Bowe because he drops passes and he's a Gangsta-wannabe thug.

Anybody that's been part of this discussion for more than the past 3 weeks knows what this is about and it's not even ABOUT GENO.

It's about having to endure the opinions of morons.

Dane I think people are at that point BECAUSE of all the top eleven picks we have had and burnt on players that have gotten us no where.
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We just want the best for the team and feel Geno is it. Why settle for drafting a position we don't need and snagging the 5th best QB when we can have the guy we feel is the best and a starting caliber player at a position of need in round 2. **** value.

Precisely.

His argument is completely without context.

EDIT: Not to mention the fact that he says:

NOBODY has said Reid and Dorsey are part of the problem NOW. EVERYONE that has mentioned Reid and Dorsey has said IF THE CHIEFS DON'T DRAFT A QB, Reid and Dorsey are "part of the problem". That is essentially people complaining AFTER THE DRAFT, so where's the ****ing problem?

And yes, that's a rhetorical question.

People forget just how big of a bloodbath the Sanchez arguments were. It was ridiculous here and it was all that was discussed for the most part for a long ass time. This is nothing compared to 09 and Dane is going all selective memory on us.

A ****ing guard at #4 overall?

WTF is wrong with you?

Daddy fed him the leftover worms as a kid?

Ah yes the Sanchez problem I was one of the first on here saying I thought he was overrated out of USC. I was told I was an idiot etc. hmm looks like I was right. I also was one of the ones on the geno smith bandwagon. I still think he should be the pick but we will see.

Check back the threads I've been pretty on target the last few years on qbs except for cam newton and Matt Ryan .

1. Andy dalton
2. Kaperneck
3. Russel Wilson
4. Nick foles

I'm telling you I still like geno and Tyler Wilson in this draft

It's a question whether the eagles' staff feels better about drafting a QB @ #4 that is going to be better than Foles. I don't have an answer to that. with that fourth pick I'm guessing they are looking at a pass rusher more though.

The public education system is failing us...:huh:

they are going to have Vick and Dixon, two QBs that Kelly seems to feel comfortable with. I don't see why they keep Foles OR draft a QB

This...

Because when you have 1 meh QB and one shitty one, you don't have a QB. None of the guys on Philly's roster are the answer, but I'd find out what I had in Foles over going with those 2 clowns if I was Chip.

Draft day can't get here soon enough. Dane will stop being a psychotic bitch and life will be a lot more pleasant.

Even Jags troll should be gone if the reason he gives for being here in the first place is honest in any way shape or form.

Chiefsplanet is like The Hotel California.

Except we stabbed Pioli to death with our steely knives.

However it looks like we killed the beast with pioli and crennel gone cassel to go.

We've already had the Patsification of the Chiefs... not interested in the Phillyfication of the Chiefs. Andy needs a new start with new pieces. IMO

Unless Foles gets released I don't think the Chiefs are "that" interested at least not in giving up a draft pick for him.

Feb. 24 going be a big day. I got high hopes in drafting Geno Smith am pretty damn sure he is our guy after he kicks ass at the combine.

Completely agree. Nick Foles may turn out to be a fine NFL quarterback (and he did pass for over 4300 yards as a senior at Arizona), but bringing him in just feels too much like Pioli bringing in Cassel.

Geno Smith to the Chiefs!

This. I could possibly see them trading Foles after the draft. If Kelly can get a guy like Manuel...then he has no need for Foles. Plus I would think a team like the Cards or the Browns would be more apt to trade for him after they've filled some holes they have.

Shit....I wouldn't be surprised to see him traded during the 2nd or 3rd day of the draft. One team will miss on the QB they wanted and need one.

I came for the QB discussion, I'll stay for the superiority complex I get from here.

Because Foles has a higher upside than Vick and Dixon PUT TOGETHER.

fxd. You found the best football board on the net, a pity it cares nothing for your cuddly little expansion team, no?
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He was referred here whilst getting gummed by Blackbob's uncle

we need a process...
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I can see Foles in KC next year...especially if we fugg up the Number 1 choice...

Reid got alot out of Kolb, maybe we could send a 2 or 3 to Zona for him?

:banghead:

Kolb is just about as bad as Casshole.

You want to send the 34th pick overall for a QB that is terrible?

Reid got alot out of him, he's great with QB's.