Because idiots in horror sci fi do dumb things to get killed.

I mean, it's not like the characters in Alien didn't do dumb things that ended up getting them killed.

Yeah, that one got me, too. The other was when the Captain of Prometheus just landed on the conclusion that the planet was nothing more than a biological warfare test site, despite not leaving the ship but once.

If there was truly only one Engineer left on this planet, then I think that means the storm was natural.

Yeah, that was pretty lame. That character reminded me of the typical horror movie bimbo who goes down into the basement by herself.

Every character in the movie was an idiot, apart from the Android.

Just got back from seeing it. Liked it a lot, but ... it was far from great, for many reasons keg listed.

Visually outstanding -- one of the best FX films I've ever seen. The 3D was terrific and worth the money (for a change). It also stimulated a lot of discussion between me and my son about the different strands of DNA in humans, aliens and xenomorphs.

However, I felt like the movie needed to be 30 minutes longer to slow down and fill in a lot of backstory on the characters, to let them develop and explain their later actions -- especially, I felt, with the captain and Vickers. I thought Guy Pearce as Weyland was a complete waste. Anybody could've played that role.

I wonder how much was left on the editing room floor. Perhaps it would benefit from a nice director's cut blu-ray. Or maybe it was just poorly written.

This too.

To a certain extent, yes. But that is typical of horror movies. If people in horror movies weren't stupid, they generally wouldn't die.

Got back...hope the sequel is direct from this flick and maybe moves forward to show how alien happend

here's a good article, a guy walks through all the recurring symbols in the movie...really helped me make sense of it after the fact.

http://cavalorn.livejournal.com/584135.html


I thought it was excellent, even with all the ?'s and wtf moments...the world was so realized I was happy just to witness/experience it. Worth the 3D. Worth my $$.

And Fassbender may be the best male actor working right now.

The podcast (39 minutes!) at this link raised a lot of the issues I had with the film:

http://www.slate.com/articles/arts/m...reviewed_.html

Someone told me Weyland company logos pop up in "Firefly". Apparently after working on "Alien: Resurrection" Whedon decided to hint that they're set in the same universe.

Why didn't the snakes come up on the hounds sensors? I have other questions about the movie but this one has been bugging me.

Yes, this.

This is what I love about Ridley Scott...his movies always engage your brain and are great for discussion after the credits end.

He's 74 tho. Hope he lives long enough to make at least one more. :(

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Saw this today in IMAX 3D.

Visually it was out ****ing standing.

Story wise I have most of the same criticisms listed in the thread already. It just kind of felt incomplete and the characters seemed kind of bland for the most part.

I thought it was worth my time, but I didn't like it as much as I expected.

LMAO

Yeah, it's in the pilot.

http://blastr.com/firefly-weyland-yutani.jpg

2nd to Madagascar 3 as expected, but $50 million for a "smart" r-rated science fiction blockbuster? Can't complain about that...

That was a terrific piece. Definitely opened my eyes ... got to watch that movie again.

It was a great read.

It read to me like somebody trying really hard to fit their own beliefs into the symbology of the film.

In any case, it's certainly interesting to discuss, and that is the strength of the movie, meaning the ideas and what kinds of things are hidden under the surface. I have some ideas I might get into later.

But at the end of the day, I just can't get past the structural problems with the movie itself. It's still a good movie, but a lot of nonsense that should've never made it past the draft stage kept it from being a great one.

Not sure if we're still doing spoilers, so I'm using them just in case...


Fassbender was fantastic, but overall I thought the movie was only 'good'.

Oh, and one more thing...

Really good stuff in here with the screenwriter. Spoilers


http://www.ign.com/articles/2012/06/...damon-lindelof

Jesus. It's been out for three days wide release and it's already available on Amazon for pre-order.

http://www.amazon.com/Prometheus-Blu...HZZCXNZN17RF83

I was thinking replicant.

Yeah, I was, too, although I'm still not sure how much the Blade Runner and Alien universes line up

I don't see any connection beyond the director. Replicants are flesh and blood. Androids only appear human.

I don't think they do, not if you go by the Weyland Corp. timeline on its webpage.

But who said they had to be Tyrell replicants?

All I know is that there's long been ongoing debate on whether the two franchises happen in the same fictional universe. I don't have an answer either way.

I think that is the most common-sense explanation -- Occam's Razor, perhaps. But if you're looking for a twist, I think that would be a nice one. And how better to prove how good the engineering is than to bed a human?

Are you an android?
(Pause) No.

Meaning: No, I'm not a machine ... but I'm not really human either. Here, let's have sex, you won't notice the difference.

Yeah, I saw that a few days ago.Yep.

There were certainly some allusions to it (i.e her being artificial in some way). Her demeanor. Which could just be her demeanor. The way she challenged David not just verbally but physically. Which could just be because she was who she was. The way the surgical unit only had data on males. Which could just be because the only individual important enough to warrant the expenditure was male.

Intentionally vague I think...

BTW, all this confirms to me that Ridley Scott succeeded on two levels: visually, and he's got us talking about all the themes and stuff.

Still think the movie lacked in character development and plotting, but it's still a win for me.

Agree on both counts.

This movie was a solid double off the wall. Hopefully the sequel's the home run.

I have a feeling this will probably have an impact on some of my complaints about the movie:

That makes me hopeful. I mentioned earlier that I wish the movie had been 30 minutes longer and fleshed out more characters, explained their later motivations. I hoped they had shot stuff and cut it out, not that the script was inherently deficient.

We'll see.

Yeah it's crazy.

I can't stop reading stuff.

I'm looking forward to the bluray coming out so I can pirate it and analyze the footage. Every frame had so much interesting stuff in it.

Just finished watching --- fantastic!!

So why do you guys think

And the best looking digitally shot film I've seen yet.

And, by the way, a brilliant play by the captain.

You're probably right. Like I said, Occam's Razor.

Two things, though:

1. There might be a deleted scene that reinforces the replicant angle and ties in with something that happened later in the movie.

2. It sets up something for a sequel.

frazod, I also found this on the intrawebs:

So. One way or another, he created her, right?

ROFLROFLROFLROFL

Ridley Scott is ****ing crazy.

I love the guy. He engineered a generation of nerds.

Sorry, that's just too much of a stretch.

Why was the pod configured for a male? I was wondering that when it happened.

It was for Peter Weyland.

More speculation at http://www.memphisflyer.com/SingAllK...etheus-part-ii (p.s. I'm not sure I buy all of his last paragraph):

LMAO

Lindelof is the Grima Wormtongue to Ridley Scott's Theoden.

ROFL

Saw this tonight.
Massive disappointment. I cannot recommend this to anyone that I know. It just fell flat on its massive and mostly empty face.

I haven't seen the movie, but what you guys are talking about doesn't really fall in line with the synopsis does it?
All the talk about Vickers origins and what not. Was she not created in a lab by the engineers? Does she turn into a uhhhh, star Beast?lol

synopsis is clearly BS

Lack of character development and jumping right into the planet kinda turned it off a bit for me. Still enjoyed it mostly. Still left alot of questions. Maybe if a part 2 is made then it makes it better

Love it or hate it, it has more discussion being bandied about on the internet than any other movie in a LONG LONG time...

Another person's take on some points from the film...

http://www.lexwerks.com/article/on-p...chopped-liver/

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On Prometheus and Chopped Liver

June 11, 2012
This post is going to contain spoilers for Prometheus. *If you’ve not seen Prometheus*and you liked Alien*and Blade Runner, then you probably shouldn’t read further — you’ll be happier if you see the spectacle and then come back for the exposition. *If you thought Blade Runner*was, frankly, kind of dumb… then I’m afraid the Alien*lineage isn’t going to make up for a whole lot of the character behavior in Prometheus. *Except for Michael Fassbender, who plays the artificial person far, far too perfectly.
But now that you’ve seen it (if you’re going to), I’m sending you off to read some other guy’s mythological analysis of it. *He is “Cavalorn,” his post is “Prometheus Unbound: What The Movie Was Actually About,” and it is 100% spoiler and spot-on enough that I’m glad he covered so much of it so I don’t have to. *Really, he did an amazing job and you should go read it… *But he did miss a few things and that’s what I’m going to write about.
My spoiling begins… now.
Vickers is a replicant. *Flat out is. *Her only act of lust was to maintain her cover as a human in the same way David wore his environment suit. *(And Ridley Scott is the Blade Runner guy, remember?) *But Meredith’s trick is that she was too perfect, too equal to her creator, so she got shunted (to the board room) and ignored (but not destroyed) to make room for the more servile creation. *This was the running motif of Data and Lore in Star Trek: The Next Generation, but is also the motif of Adam, Lilith, and Eve. *But that’s not mythological enough, so let’s call up Paradise Lost*and see that Lucifer gets pushed aside when Jesus is set up to mediate to God. *Like them, Vickers feels bitterness at her creator for being created first but appreciated less. *This is not, however, a precise comparison: what was that nonsense about creating life versus creating machines? *Peter Weyland’s illusions of creating life effectively make him not a god, but rather Satan — who is good with illusions that invite idolatry but incapable of creating, certainly not creating life per se. *After Satan’s fall (back in Paradise Lost) he did have a pseudo-offspring of Sin, female, that was born from his head (intellect?)*to add another mythological layer to the artificiality of Ms. Vicker’s life.
[All references to Paradise Lost*are being cribbed from David Hawkes' The Faust Myth*in case you're wondering how I'm pulling this feat of recall. *If you've read this book and it suddenly occurs to you that the recordings of the Engineers, and especially the super-pretty stellar navigation, are performative signs indicative of their Satanic power... bonus points to you! -- but I don't think that was what Ridley Scott had in mind as it contrasts poorly with the bigger self-sacrifice motif.]
Let’s spend more time on Peter Weyland, specifically his sneakiness. *Now Cavalorn says roughly that “the atmosphere in the cylinder chamber was reacting to the human psyche” which is nonsense from the perspective of the gene-based Alien-lore perspective but I can’t say it’s wrong here at a symbolic, mythological level. *And Weyland’s presence actually supports it at the symbolic level. *The noble scientists aren’t here to be corrupting and evil and stuff, but the truth is that they can’t help it: they brought it with them. *That Weyland claimed in the video recording to be dead — thus hypothetically leaving the scientists unshackled and in the clear to pursue their beliefs (and that’s an odd phrase) — underscores the corruption bound into the pursuit. *They thought they were clear of its taint, but they weren’t. *We’re reminded of it by the trillion-dollar conversation, and again by Fifield, but only Weyland is big enough to taint the whole thing. *But this is symbolic, so it is not, however, a problem unique to Peter Weyland: *when Shaw continues her quest, she takes her faith (the cross pendant) and her techno-idolatry (David’s talking head) with her, with the latter ensuring her continued failure.
What exactly this means to Ridley Scott, Blade Runner guy, I cannot readily say. *I personally find it odd that his characters are going backwards. *Perhaps I’ve been reading too much Jung to sympathize with their quest. *But look at them: Shaw, Weyland, Holloway, and Roy Batty all think they’ve got a personal creator who has The Answers if only they can find said creator to pose questions to to him/her/it. *And while Roy’s quest makes some sense because he knows he’s a replicant, the Prometheus*mission makes rather less sense because they’re evolved humans — a point that gets lost when they consider the Engineers. *A mortal Terran knows their evolutionary lineage, but seems to regard the mortal-as-demonstrated Engineer with human DNA as having popped up ex nihilo*to create those very special people we call Liz and Pete and Chuck. *This makes sense if Peter is Lucifer trying to confront God, but the larger tragedy of the film is that they didn’t find God, they found Some Guy — a lone, anonymous, anger-management-impaired survivor out of a whole crew of Some Guys. *Some Guys may have a history as boring as the rest of us or as freaky as the Greek pantheon — really, read up on Saturn — but we don’t even begin to question this until the film is over. *Put simply, the explorer’s inability to address the mythology unfolding before them like a xenomorph egg made me want to slap facehuggers on the lot of them. *That people who got a trillion dollar stellar expedition for studying cave paintings wouldn’t spend an hour racking their brains for which ancient mythologies best described what they actually found (and I’m totally going with Nephilim from Genesis 6:4) showed how two-dimensional the characters really were.
The final interesting thing* is that the personal quest that these characters go on, they ostensibly claim to be going on for the benefit of the species. *To answer the great questions of the species, they spend over two years utterly disconnected from the species, putting a really huge number of kilometers between them and Earth. *And how many known-humans were in the film that weren’t on board the Prometheus? *I’m remembering 2 at the dig site. *While this demographic sample isn’t unusual for an Alien*film, or any horror film, it does seem odd to pursue a personal quest in the name of a species that isn’t really represented within the main characters’ field of vision. *Note that this isn’t the same as saving a species that won’t ever know it was saved, as the captain does. *This isn’t just sacrifice, this is the unsung sacrifice that echoes the Babylon 5*episode “Comes an Inquisitor” — and if you noticed the black Captain Janek showing his social affiliations with the Christmas tree, antique squeeze-box, Weyland Corp.-emblazoned shirt, et cetera, it becomes clear that Janek is sacrificing his temporal life to save his ongoing roots, especially contrasted with the sterilized-to-selfishness white-and-blonde Vickers (replicant status notwithstanding). *And yet. *When we consider that they thought they’d left the human condition*behind them so that it wouldn’t corrupt the purity of the answers they genuinely wanted for themselves, it makes perfect sense as to why they’d want to be leaving the species behind. *It’s the people who don’t wholly leave their species behind that are willing to make the sacrifice necessary to save it. *The point, however, appears to be this: if you go looking for truth — whether pilot or scientist — please be honest with yourself and don’t expect to take it home with you.
Overall, I’m glad I watched Prometheus*once but I don’t think I’ll be watching it again.
* Because I’m not touching the — bluntly, backwards — notion of “Space Jesus” or any anti-Catholic implications of Mr. Weyland’s name being “Peter” that could follow from that; No.
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If Vickers was a replicant then why was she so frantically trying to put on the space suit at the end? Do replicants breathe oxygen and react just like humans? I forgot

I think the point is, she may not know she's a replicant.

Some people are putting way way too much thought into this...

Yes. Flesh and blood, everything is human.

But I still don't buy it.

Ridleys got everyone trying to figure this shit out

I also never bought into the idea that Deckard was a replicant, either.

It's a really interesting film.

It leaves you wanting more of the same universe for sure...

I mean even though Robin Hood had a lot of issues...I really want Scott to make the sequel.

I quit watching that about a third of the way through. I just had no interest in it at all.

Holy shit, I just realized something.

Janek says "Hey Vickers, you a robot?

Ridley totally spoiled it. Bitch is a replicant.

RIDLEY TOTALLY PUT THAT LINE IN THERE TO TELL THE NERDS WHAT'S UP

AND THEN THE ZAPRUDER FILM COINCIDES WITH WHAT THE MAYANS WROTE AND STONEHENGE WAS IN THE RIGHT POSITION....

LMAO


I think Scott has stumbled on to a subject that resonates very well with people in general, hence all the speculation. Honestly, it would be awesome if he really is trying to tie all of his legacies together in such a manner, but I just don't know if that was the end game. Hopefully so, but I'll wait for conformation. :D

Ridley KNEW people would start talking about Replicants. HE KNEW IT. He put that line in there as a wink and a nod. I SEE IT SO CLEARLY WITH MY INNER EYE.

SHIT, do you remember the foreshadowing from The Matrix?

"10 straight hours...he's a machine."

RIDLEY SCOTT IS AWESOME

I can see this now after seeing it twice. She had a medical bay thing configured in HER quarters for a male only (of course for weyland) but why not her? Also when she got out of the sleeping chamber she never hurled or got sick.

I had no idea there was a post credits teaser image. I left right away. Apparently leads to http://whatis101112.com/ which includes the following:

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I could swear I stayed to the very end of the credits, and I didn't see that. I did catch the Weyland 10/11/12 deal, though.

Ridley says he is...

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OMFG :hail: