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I can't get past the damn Dana drama every damn show. She's getting way too much time on the show. WTF? Is this the producers daughter?

The Dana storyline aside, this has been a damn good season so far, and that's with minimal Brody sightings. Saul blasting the Senator in front of all the Washington big wigs made me laugh.

I just can't get into this season for some reason.

Me either.

:shrug:

I'm liking this season, minus all the Dana crap. And I find the longer we go without Brody the less I care about him.

Maybe they are sending Dana off into the sunset.:thumb:

Interesting. Now all the setup with Brody earlier makes sense. Although you'd think they wouldn't have waited so long to get back to him.

One minor gripe, which I always have with shows like this: some random guy is going to be able to sneak into the ****ing director of the CIA's house and plant anything? Just in and out the front door?

****ing ridiculous....

Otherwise, digging this season.

wasnt that the dude Saul's wife was sleeping with? I mean he's already been seen coming in and out of the house so why would this be any different?

http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/liv...a-brody-656831

Homeland producers dealing with fan backlash.

Homeland dropped quite a few big developments during Sunday's episode, the last of what showrunner Alex Gansa describes as the season's second movement.
Carrie (Claire Danes), entering her second trimester, is dealt a major setback -- and a bullet to the shoulder -- in her revived quest to prove Brody's (Damian Lewis) innocence. As for the world's most-wanted man, Saul (Mandy Patinkin) discovers him drug-addled and catatonic in the same Venezuelan cell where viewers last saw him five episodes ago.
PHOTOS: 'Homeland' Portraits of the Emmy-Winning Cast and Creators
Entering the final sweep of episodes before the Dec. 15 finale, Gansa chatted with The Hollywood Reporter about what's next for Homeland (a lot more Brody -- though the word is out on his family), how he's handling the criticism that seems to go hand-in-hand with the Showtime series these days and why this season actually has been the most carefully structured.
You’ve described this season as being broken into three movements. What can you say about the next one?
Well, this would be the end to the second movement, and I think it’s really obvious what the last movement is about. I think it belongs to Nick Brody -- that’s the last sweep of episodes this season.
What did you want to accomplish with this second chapter of the season?
Once we realized that Saul and Carrie had a play to lure Javadi [Shaun Toub] out of Iran, and to turn him, this was really that play. It was how they brought him into the country, how they turned him, how they integrated him, how they sent them back and ultimately the tantalizing piece of information that he left with Carrie about Brody’s innocence.
Brody is in pretty rough shape. How long has he been locked up?
You know, that’s an open question, but I would say a couple of months at least.
Does his return mean there will be more from the Brody family?
Should I touch the third rail? I don’t think so. [laughs] People can wait and see for themselves.
Q&A: Damian Lewis Talks Brody's 'Homeland' Return, Rock Bottom and TV Fatherhood
Speaking of the third rail, when did you make the decision to have Carrie be pregnant?
From the very get-go of the season. We all knew that she was pregnant when we sat down at the beginning of the year. We knew that she became pregnant as a result of their time together at the lake -- that last time. And our task became “What’s the least melodramatic way to reveal it? What’s the way that feels honest and true to her character?”
Did you think it would be such a divisive move?
It’s so funny to read people’s responses: “It’s a soap opera… It’s another twist.” For us, it’s neither. A twist is something that happens when a story is going one way and you’re thinking one way but something happens that completely turns it on its head. Carrie’s pregnancy is a plot development. Hopefully, it will be handled in a way that isn’t melodramatic and isn’t a soap opera. I think we started that out by the fact that she opens that drawer, and in true bipolar fashion, has been testing herself every couple of days for the last three months. She just wants to come up negative once, so she doesn’t have to be pregnant.
How far ahead did you plan how the pregnancy will play out?
Here’s the other funny thing. It’s impossible to be objective about the work -- we’re in the middle of it still, and we can’t tell -- but this season, probably more than the first and the second, has been carefully plotted out from the beginning. We all knew where the show was going to begin this year and where the show was going to end this year. From the very minute when we decided the story in early March. Everything that has happened this season so far has been in a very large degree much more meticulously planned than the first and second seasons. To hear that we’re wandering in the woods is just hysterical to us. This is the season we’ve been really conscious and diligent about plotting every little piece carefully. One of those pieces is Carrie’s pregnancy, and it becomes very important in this last sweep of episodes.
Do you ever wish people would kind of chill out and wait to see the full season before criticizing?
That would be so great – but it appears impossible. That said, it’s great that people are so passionate about the show, and it’s great that people are talking about it. It’s great we’re getting the best numbers we’ve ever had. All that accrues to the benefits of Homeland. We’re just working as hard as we can to make it as compelling, entertain and be true to the characters as we can. That’s what we’re doing, and it’s for other people to judge.
Q&A: 'Homeland' Showrunner Alex Gansa on the Big Reveal in 'Game On'
How much urgency is there right now, given the expiration date on Saul’s tenure as CIA director?
That’s the clock that we’ve set for ourselves. Senator Lockhart’s [Tracy Letts] confirmation hearings are coming up, and he’s a shoo-in to be confirmed. He will shortly become the director of central intelligence. Saul knows, because of their huge philosophical divide about the future of the agency, that he has to get this operation up and running before Lockhart comes in. Otherwise, he’ll put the brakes on the whole thing for him. The fact that Brody is in such bad shape is a huge setback for him.
Saul has known a lot more than we’ve thought all season. How long has he known Brody was in Caracas?
It’s safe to say that El Nino [Manny Pérez], seeing Brody’s decrepit shape and that he might die any day now, that it might be worth collecting the reward before that happens. Certainly, Saul knew about Brody’s situation down in Venezuela before he talked to Javadi about Brody’s innocence or guilt.
Dar Adal’s [F. Murray Abraham] participation in the con has been something of a surprise. How loyal is he to Saul right now?
My personal theory about it is that Dar Adal was on the fence and then heard what Carrie and Saul had been up to and understood the value of placing Javadi as a CIA asset inside Iran. I think he was so taken by the boldness of that idea, that’s what swayed him to Saul’s side. Whether he’s loyal to Saul, Lockhart, the agency or the idea of intelligence is a question the audience should decide for themselves. In that moment, when he had that opportunity to let Lockhart out of the conference room but sides with Saul, my own interpretation is that he sides with Saul’s operational genius.
How quickly will we know what's really going on with Mira’s (Sarita Choudhury) fling, Alan (William Abadie)?
The question will be answered in the next episode. You’ll know in nine exactly who he is.
Carrie had to know Quinn (Rupert Friend) was going to shoot her -- what was motivating her to press on in that moment?
The character of Carrie Mathison is an impulsive one. And sometimes that impulsiveness takes over. I think she’s sitting in that van, and all of a sudden understanding that this is the person who could exonerate Brody once and for all. The actual bomber, the face of the murderer … you parade that in front of the public, and all of a sudden the people start questioning if Brody had anything to do with it. When it looks like that is going to be taken away from her, I think her emotions come into play. She’s carrying Brody’s child, and it completely consumes her. She has to get out and stop it from happening -- to the exclusion of all else. It’s that impulsive nature that takes over. If she had time to think about it, she’d probably say, “Wait a minute, that’s not a good idea.” But that’s not Carrie Mathison.

Nothing?!?!

C'mon people, let me know when you've watched and what you thought.

Meh.


Hope the series is over.

Depressing.

Love dead.
Unwanted child.
Mentor gets the shaft.

I could totally see that coming honestly and I think it had to be done.

I still ****ing hate Carrie. What a whiny bitch. She bothers me more than just about any character in any TV show in history.

I watched it late at night and was physically affected by the hanging, just something about the idea of leaving an American asset so bereft by the decisions of a few faceless functionaries just hit strong somehow [no man left behind and all that]. Damien's face at the end of that rope will be his face for all time for me now, I think.

I'm still pissed about all the Dana scenes. Making Carrie a whiny bitch. The story was a mess this year.

So far removed from the first genius season it was hardly recognizable. And the producers laugh at the fans because they are pissed about the direction. Just wait they said. Well we waited and we are still pissed at the fail of such potential.

I hated the whole Carrie loves Brody story line. Carrie having a baby? How in the hell do you fit that in the story line? She can't keep a baby and be a single mom thats also a CIA super agent and bi-polar.

I will give the show another season. It had better get back on track. There is no more Brody so now they are going to have to come up with a new boogeyman.

As much as I rooted for his character, I thought Brody's prolonged presence made this season awfully stale. They obviously wasted way too much needless time with his family and there was no payoff in that regard at all. But I will say that they really did pull it together in the last 2 episodes there. They were by far the best of this season. They made you care about Brody's character once again in a thrilling episode 11 before cutting that off almost immediately in an emotional episode 12. It really was tough to see him go out the way he did, but at least it fit the greater theme about the personal costs of this line of work. They likely will never get back to the genius that was season 1, but this decision has the potential to give Homeland the new life that it badly needs. I think it had to be done.

I really like the way that the season evolved. It was a great story but the early bits involving Dana seem like a total waste now. I wonder if they had something else in mind.

They could end the show and go out on a high note.

If not I hope that Quin goes to Turkey with Carrie.

Loved the season. Last 3 episodes were amazing.

People are ****ing stupid, Part I:

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After they got rid of Dana.:p

Yeah, you have to expect that kind of reaction from some. It's a tough thing to watch a favored character that you've become attached to go down in that fashion.

Very well done scene, though.

I enjoyed the season for the most part outside of the final episode. I thought it was anti-climatic and borderline silly.

Just finished watching the last four episodes in one sitting. Really liked this season, really liked where they went with Brody, but thought the last 20 minutes of the finale were really anti-climactic. I hope the next season isn't filled with Carrie wailing about how she isn't fit to be a mother and Lockhart twirling his moustache in his office.

At least Mandy Patinkin will still be a central character.

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Cant wait

Wow! This show really blows now.

Finally caught up on the season. After all the baby stuff at the very beginning was finally back burnered I think it's slowly started to find it's feet. Eager to see where they're headed now that the kid's out of the way and Saul's in trouble (seemed a bit strange he was flying commercial with no security).

The way they've set Quinn up is interesting. He could literally explode out a thousand different directions.

I think thats how most people explode.

He kills Carrie and Fara, shoots himself, and the show is repackaged as an animated kid's show, Max and Francis Save the World.

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I always wondered what happened to the guys that wrote Young Justice.

LMAO

That baby shit was horrible. Carie can't be a mom. She screws minors for information. Falls in love with terrorists. Has serious mental issues. Lets see where that dark shit takes her this season. Should be fun.

I thought last nights episode was by far the best episode of the season. Saul and Carrie in top form. Very tight directing with some great acting.

Mother**** you Carrie right in the pussy!!!

Not a fan of Kosher Saulsage?

Those ****ing ****ers, not giving a preview for the next episode. LMAO

This has been a great season (minus the first two episodes).

That was fantastic ...

you know what happened?!

IT TURNED INTO 24!

HAHAHAHAHA

AWESOME

It had the 24 music and everything ... I was freaking waiting for the clock to beep.

...man, I am so psyched for this week's episode.

I think the next new ep is december 7th.

god

damnit

No shit. they got their feet under them and started running fast. This has been great must see TV.

No way Carrie is dead but Saul? Maybe he got tired of the show and decided to move on. He usually only stays with a show a year or two.

My reaction as well....

I knew it!

That bastard!

They've done a pretty sweet job at bringing some seemingly meaningless plot threads (like the girl internist...) together at the end.

So was Dar Adal the mole from season 1, too. I was just so confused. If so, why was he so steadfast on Quinn not quitting the CIA? I just don't get it. It's typical 24 stuff like Nina Myers that will never make sense to me but I realize it's TV and you have to suspend belief a bit

Maybe. Although it seems more like they just completely dropped the mole storyline.

(I still think it was Saul)

Shit filler episode finale to say the least

It was really less of a finale and more of an epilogue setting up the next season.

Terrible "finale". This show is more bipolar than it's lead character.

THIS!

The previous 4-5 episodes were top shelf. Very tight. Great writing, acting and directing. Moved along well.

Then this shit finale? WTF were they thinking? Who gives a shit about Carrie's Mom abandonment issues. This is supposed to be a finale. Tying up loose ends. Climatic endings.

That ending really pissed me off.

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Trailer looks bad ass!

I hope Jack Bauer, I mean Peter Quinn, is badass this season

Yeah, he is a bad ass. Embrace who you are. You kill people. And **** fat women.:)

Anyone catch the first couple episodes? It started OK, but should pick up quite a bit now that Quinn has the info on his latest target.

I haven't watched since they killed Brody. Is it still worth watching?

The new season has largely been place setting for a new narractive, but it's been promising enough.

In case you want to watch it fresh a broad outline is spoilerized



That should have you UtD.

Every season starts slow. I think its picking up now.

Yes, surprisingly. I thought when the whole Brody angle was done the show would die a slow death, but last season was stronger than expected and this season is shaping up to be really good. Give it a go.

Yep, Homeland has always started off slow. It's rolling now. Didn't see that ending coming. Saul is getting undercut so that has to be someone pretty damn high up.

I like the Syria angle.

Why would his girlfriend try to throw him under the bus when they are sleeping together? She's a two faces cut throat career climbing bitch, okay, fine and dandy. But Saul finds out and still porks her?

She's freaking hot, man. Saul isn't COMPLETELY stupid, lol.

Gingers have no souls.

Incorrect. They have tons of souls, all stored as freckles on their faces and shoulders.

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Call your shot on Allison's response to the events at the end [both future action 'response' to come, and facial/body language 'response' in the scene itself]. We know she's shady, but how shady, and what's next?

Yeah, good question. I couldn't tell if that look on her face was her just falling into an old habit and lovers arms, or the look of someone relieved she was able to figure out a way to save her standing by banging the boss. Saul DID tell Dar Adahl that he was "going to need her" for the weekend....

She is a wild card to the story - is she under double secret probation orders, or lashing out on her own with an agenda?

I know Carrie mentioned it, but it still seems a little glossed over that you'd have to be an idiot to believe that Quinn would actually kill Carrie. I thought it was going to turn out that Saul did it with that in mind, like he knew if he sent Quinn after Carrie Quinn would find and protect her rather than kill her.

I can only guess, but it sounds like you're an episode behind.

Possible, actually. That is the last scene I remember from it, the two of them lying in bed all post coital bliss-y....

Yep, sure am. The joys of having your start time jump all over the clock from week to week. You lose track of some things, or I'm just getting older. Both, really.

That crossed my mind...that Saul was ordered from high up, so he sent Quinn to do it thereby both following orders and saving Carrie.

Yeah, but no.

These kind of operations, people only care about results.

Not much difference to TPTB between Saul using an asset that isn't competent to achieve the objective, or purposefully sabotaging the mission with a poisoned asset.

'I tried and we failed' is indistinguishable from 'I countermanded your command'

Yep, put me in the Saul knew he wouldn't kill Carrie thought too.

Now I get it. That was kind of a double whammy there at the end. Great ending to that episode.

Its great writing that you can drop those bombs and the audience still wonders who knows what and who's responsible for/complicit in what.

Everything gets ripped wide open, and it's all still a God damned fog.

:cuss::clap:

Hows everyone liking this season? Only a couple of episodes left.

Allison, you bad, bad girl