Matt Cassell.

will hand the ball off to Charles and Hillis all day and we'll win

You guys gonna' wear leather helmets and dropkick the extra point too?

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Recovering from an ACL tear in your early 20s>> recovering from 4(or was it 5?) neck surgeries in your late 30s

It's not his neck that is even a possible problem. It's his arm strength that is the issue, due to the pinched nerve. The nerve didn't get pinched in the 2010-2011 offseason, Manning has actually been playing with the pinched nerve since probably 2009. Pretending that he will play worse now that he has had the issue addressed than he did when it was bothering him the most is silly.

This has already been covered in another thread. Billay is trying to be OTWP who is the person who originally made that statement.

Are they ever gonna send a pass rush at him...

Fixing the site of the problem doesn't ensure that the nerve will regenerate and function at 100% again.

http://espn.go.com/blog/afcwest/post...annings-injury

Watch the video. The neck is not an issue. He will not suffer a neck injury. The only concern was nerve regeneration. The nerves have regenerated. Peyton Manning is back.

Wut?

U drunk

Hudson didnt play center last year ya dummah

He filled in for Lilja at guard

Have no fear Chiefs fans, yeah, cuz The Macho Man is gonna snap Manning's neck like a Slim Jim, oooh yeeeah

I fully expect Peyton Manning to be Peyton Manning.

Thus Denver will probably win the division....he's just that good, and it saddens me that he's a Bronco, esp since the Chiefs and 49ers were his 2 best options for a legit SB run.

True. It doesn't guarantee that he will improve. But there's no reason to think he would be worse than 2009 or 2010.

:D

So when do they plan to send pressure at him while he throws for the media?

From here forward, you must start all posts with "You know, McMahon....."

What is wrong with you? Seriously.

The neck doesn't have to be the issue. He is going to get hit hard in the shoulder, arm, knees, etc. At his age, each time he hits the ground may mean 2-3 games on the sideline. It will happen.

Yay, here's to watching Peyton sing out a bunch of horseshit at the line before the snap, watching the Denver O-Line tackle the pass rush, and defensive holding or illegal contact if a DB farts on the receiver.

:facepalm:

I am already getting pissed at the unavoidable.

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Prior to having surgery Peyton Manning never missed a start in the NFL. Manning will be fine. I am not worried at all about his health. I would not be surprised if he played out the entire contract and if he doesn't it will be because he wanted to retire after winning the Super Bowl, not because he got injured.

He can't win another ring with a white coach.

It's true though and it's funny how the neck wasn't a problem when it looked like the Chiefs were going to go after him.

Bullshit. You'll be extremely suprised.

I honestly believe that if Peyton Manning had his way he would play until he was 50. All he cares about is football.

If your oline can't protect a mobile QB in Tim Tebow, how do you expect Mr. Statue to keep standing in one piece (pun intended) back there?

Did you guys discuss this over a beer or something?

And you know the Raiders are gonna try to ****ing kill him.

Well, yeah. Name me one player not named JaMarcus Russell that wouldn't want to play until they're 50.

Christ, Ryan Sims is still in the league....

Break a b*tch neck

Eye test. Defensive lines were getting penetration quickly against your line, I don't care what a stat says.

I'm just saying, nobody loves playing football more than Peyton Manning. He is not your normal NFL player.

I won't argue that. Unfortunately for him, his neck is not like the neck of a normal NFL player, and he ain't gonna see the end of that contract.

Manning's numbers were in decline before the injury, and he's now older, old for the game, and with a missed entire season. Charles, Moeaki and Berry don't fit into that same category.

No he's not. Stop making stuff up, brother.

This is what I do when Hulkamania tries to spew bullshit all over you...

http://www.nfl.com/player/ryansims/2505225/profile

Hulkamania must have been thinking about Chester McGlockton.

Seattle Seahawks
Sims signed with the Seattle Seahawks on July 31, 2011, but was released on August 20.

If we have to. We're gonna bring back the old days of pounding the rock all day and playing stout defense. All that slingin the ball around the yard all day is great for the arena league.
http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_1x1mvb2W23...00/edwards.jpg

Improper use of the word Hulkamania.

And i was right, brother.

He re-signed three days ago.

This is the 90's, he hasn't even been drafted yet.

Dude, quit it, he's going to hulk up on you.

He was playing with the injury for two or three years and has since had it fixed. He could actually play better than he has in years. Brady missed a year in his 30's and has came back strong.

:D I hear you Coach Edwards.

What he "could" do isn't the issue. The issue is the stupidity of trying to equate Manning's situation to those of Moeaki, Charles and Berry.

Yo Macho Man Randy Savage, I think Peyton Mannings neck is going snap like a Slim Jim.

All 4 of them sustained injuries that could mean they will never be the player they used to be. All 4 of them could come back and play at the high level to which they are accustomed. Nobody, including the players and trainers, will know how it turns out until the season begins to unfold.

Only one is nearing AARP age however

reeruned post of the year goes to Knowmo.

Definitely. In addition to his injuries age and not having played for a year are Peyton's enemies

That's a piss poor analogy. Two totally different injuries and Brady wasn't 36. He was 29; and he was coming back to the exact same team.

If the Indianapolis organization would have believed him to be as capable as ever after sitting out for a year, they would have kept him. They knew his situation better than anyone and chose to let him go and start over from scratch. You don't do that when you have a quarterback that's still one of the best in the game. So it's reasonable to think that Manning will come back as a shadow of his former self like Namath did with the Rams.

As far as nerve damage healing, the only one who really knows is Manning. He's the type of player who would never admit that he's not 100% unless medical science could prove it. He'll go down flailing the ball like a 4 year old girl before he ever admits he's not the player he once was.

If he returns to form, fine. But the chances that he capable of taking an otherwise bad team to the Superbowl are slim at best.

Welp, season's over.

1.WR is vastly improved. Breaston and Baldwin are huge improvements.
2.Winston is obviously better.
3.Peyton Hillis is hands down better than Thomas Jones and it's not close.
4.Justin Houstin is also hands down better than Vrabel in both run defense and the pass rush.
5. DJ and Tamba had their best years as a pro last season. They are better then they were in 2010.
6. Losing Carr hurts, but in 2010 Carr wasn't a finished product yet til the end of the season. Let us remember that in 2010 Routt was just as good as Carr at the 2 spot.
7. Allen Bailey and Dontari Poe will easily be better than Shaun Ballgrabber Smith.
8. 2012 team is much deeper than 2010. Guys like Kevin Boss, Jeff Allen, Tony Ugoh, Abram Elam, Jalil Brown, Ricky Stanzi/Brady Quinn, Allen Bailey,and Amon Gordon give this team some great insurance in case of injury.
8. Key playmakers like Kendrick Lewis, Tyson Jackson, Branden Albert, Javier Arenas, and Brandon Flowers are far more developed players than they were in 2010.

The only thing the 2010 team had that was better was a great OC. That's it.

I pretty much agree with everything on this list except #6......I think ROutt will be a downgrade, but hopefully not too much.

Also, #1 could be really shitty if D.Bowe does something stupid like say V.jackson and holds out.

TE should be good too, with Moe and Boss...

You left out our hugely improved FB position 8-)

Yup and that great OC. Got his shit pushed in in the play offs. Outside of that Charles run. It was as bad as I have ever seen.

Welp, Champ Bailey is old.

Weiss left before the playoff game, IIRC.

Both Hali and Flowers were significantly better in 2010 than they were in 2011. In Hali's case, it's not even close. Hali played out of his mind in 2010.

He stuck around. But, yeah. He had mentally checked out a long time ago as soon as he was considering that job.

Ahh.I seem to remember him not calling the plays, but hell, I dont want to remember that game...

Even the Raiders game before that was terrible.

FML

You can make a case for Flowers but not Tamba. Tamba was much better against the run in 2011 than any year he's played.

Sweet. I figured Chump was washed up and this confirms it. :)

You said "best year as a pro," not "best year as a pro against the run."

Bullcrap.

Manning was that much higher than tebow in a season he DIDN'T PLAY?
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How dare you steal my Chiefs Planet identity.

Maybe it was just me, but it seems Hali got held a **** ton last season. I'm sure teams keyed up on him more last year than in 2010. Hopefully Houston continues to improve and teams won't be able to do that as much. Because before Houston emerged, Hali was our ONLY pass rusher worth a shit.

That's from 2010. Just like Moeaki, Charles, and Berry.

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com...ng-it-up-deep/

Peyton still not dialing it up deep
Posted by Evan Silva on July 30, 2012, 8:14 AM EDT
Peyton Manning AP

Broncos fans welcomed Peyton Manning to his first training camp in Denver with record attendance and all kinds of excitement. He has energized the organization and its fan base. But as we alluded to in our Denver Broncos season preview, unanswered questions about the 36-year-old quarterback remain.

Manning, who underwent four separate neck surgeries between March 2 of 2010 and September 9 of 2011, didn’t do a whole lot of deep-ball passing in OTAs and minicamps. In early July, Mike Klis of the Denver Post guessed Manning was 85 to 90 percent healthy, before suggesting Peyton might never rediscover the remaining 10 to 15 percent. Manning’s arm strength is a question mark, and he hasn’t answered it yet in training camp.

“Manning has looked better than most people believed he would so far,” ESPN’s Josina Anderson reported on SportsCenter Monday morning. ”But here is a little bit of context: Yes, he’s looked good at the line of scrimmage. His balls have had zip. And the majority of them have been caught. But most of those balls have been short and intermediate, with only a handful of them long.”

Manning is on a pitch count in camp, and it sounds like one of his limitations is a cap on deep-ball tries. So while the entirety of Denver is thrilled with its new quarterback, fans and league observers may not know the extent of what remains in Manning’s tank until he plays extensively in a preseason game.

The Broncos’ exhibition opener is set for Thursday, August 9 at Chicago.

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Looks as if Peyton isn't going to come back to 100%. Hope he fails!!!

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http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/201...29/mmqb/1.html

It sounds like Manning is trying to prepare everyone by tempering their expectations. No arm strength means no deep ball which means Berry and every other safety can play that much closer to the line of scrimmage.

OMG. Can we finally ban this clown. This is trolling, delerium, or simple insanity and it is starting to ruin the otherwise generally logical thinking process on this bb.

Would you consider 40 yards through the air a deep ball? Because he has completed at least one 40 yard pass in each training camp practice.

No. Also, its not just about throwing it deep yardage wise, its about having velocity and strength to get it there quicker and on a lower trajectory. Denver doesn't have burners at WR so he will have to throw perfect passes that get their quickly to get downfield completions. The longer the ball takes to get there, the easier it is for the secondary to adjust and break up the play.

i think he's funny. might possibly be the dumbest person in the history of the internet.

For Cassel it would be.

It is amusing to watch Chief's fan critique our used Bentley as he rolls by in his Yugo.