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*** Official 2017 Royals Offseason Repository
(https://www.chiefsplanet.com/BB/showthread.php?t=303381)
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@Joelsherman1: With Melancon off the board #dodgers #nationals #marlins #Yankees among those fixed on finding closer. Jansen, Chapman. Davis/Colome trades?
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This shocks me
@jonmorosi: #Royals gauging trade interest in Danny Duffy, who could fit for a contender (like Houston) that has been reluctant to meet price on Sale. |
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"However, this time similar to the Marlins, Kansas City is also in need of starting pitching. GM Grant Dayton may not be interested in the pricey contracts of Kazmir or McCarthy, but the youth and upside of Brock Stewart and Ross Stripling could be enticing to the Royals’ brain trust." http://jkavo.sportsblog.com/posts/30...e-dodgers.html I'm not certain who this is, we must've replaced Moore. Anyhoo these 2 names aren't in the Dodgers top-10 prospect lists before the year or mid-season. Seems like a garbage return. |
I could see the Royals taking a hard look at Brett Anderson as the buy low type this year.
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@JoshVernier610: Wade at 1 year, $10M is such a monstrous piece. I don't trade him without getting an absolute haul, unless KC's worried about health. https://twitter.com/Ken_Rosenthal/st...34041786269696
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If the Royals aren't gauging interest on every player they have , they're not doing it right
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All that said, it is still early and we have no idea where they will go with this. Hopefully they just don't go back into a shell with payroll. |
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@getnickwright: #Royals fans: @mellinger doesn't typically just eviscerate folks like he does Glass here. To me, this means the front office is furious... https://twitter.com/mellinger/status/804681478890287104
http://www.kansascity.com/sports/spt...118370228.html @getnickwright: And, based on @mellinger's reporting, they have every reason to be. Glass penny pinching in the last year of the window is abominable... |
Re: Davis market... great news for the Royals and Dayton Moore. If they move him, the Royals will get a great return.
I don't think the 2017 version of the team is that far removed from your start of 2015-roster. With health and some bounceback from a few key guys (really Cain and Moustakas), this team can be good enough offensively. If Cuthbert is a workable 2B, which I doubt, that also helps the offense a ton. I'm not in favor of a fire sale. If they can move some guys who are about to be FA at the zenith of their values - Davis, for example - and get back pieces that help in 2017 and beyond, that makes sense. Just selling off a bunch of pieces for prospects doesn't make much sense to me. As far as trading Danny Duffy, that's the one that makes the least sense to me and the one that signals KC is tanking if he's moved. Any possible contention for KC in 2017 involves Duffy pitching an entire season like a frontline starter. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk |
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my guess is Davis gets dealt to the cubs for two really good players, and Cain gets traded to the rangers.
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Assuming the goal is to WIN IN 2017, it's hard for me to be enthusiastic about trading off Wade. Assuming he's healthy, he's fairly irreplaceable.
Herrera would be the closer, but he's no Wade. And then you have to replace Herrera's role with...Strahm? Pray that he comes back as effective as he was last year. And, he may be needed to start. Soria? JFC... Who else is there? Brain Flynn? Chris Young? Gulp. Prospects for Wade doesn't really help us for 2017. We need a good starting pitcher and some hitting production, to at the very least, replace Kendrys. |
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On a side note, I think these baseball writers are so eager to write something big leading up to and during the winter meetings, that they'll tweet and report any rumor they hear, no matter how far-fetched or unsubstantiated.
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Cubs have interest in Wade Davis, per <a href="https://twitter.com/jonmorosi">@jonmorosi</a>. Jorge Soler could be name to watch. Cuban outfielder owed less than $18 million thru '20.</p>— Rustin Dodd (@rustindodd) <a href="https://twitter.com/rustindodd/status/805849771290279936">December 5, 2016</a></blockquote>
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One of: Cheslor Cuthbert or Hunter Dozier Jorge Bonifacio Ryan O'Hearn Jake Junis, Eric Skoglund, Pedro Fernandez, Miguel Almonte Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk |
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Duffy would have to fetch a ridiculous haul.
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"You can get rid of a player too early, but not too late" - Beane
I wonder if that applies to Wade Davis now. His injury last year makes me think. |
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Can confirm that Ned Yost hasn't changed. <a href="https://t.co/SWAv3Xkx5g">pic.twitter.com/SWAv3Xkx5g</a></p>— Andy McCullough (@McCulloughTimes) <a href="https://twitter.com/McCulloughTimes/status/805867998686887936">December 5, 2016</a></blockquote>
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If Soler (or an equivalent of him) is the main piece the Royals get for how high back-end relief pitching is valued right now, I may vomit.
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Andy loves Ned Yostisms
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Seriously though, if you deal Duffy you need 2 SP instead of just 1. Me thinks that's a money losing proposition. The reason the Royals made the run is the payroll per out earned was LOW. Value at starting pitching is very much a part of that. |
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Nope, not even close to enough. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk |
Rotoworld sez Dodgers are expressing interest in Cain now.
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Dodgers are interested in Cain per McCullough
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The Cubs got Chapman for Gleybar Torres and I'd imagine Torres and Soler have roughly equal value. Torres seems to have the brighter future but Soler's a major league DH at worst right now. And I wouldn't get way down on Soler just yet either; he made some nice progress with his walk rate last year and did so while maintaining an ISO around .200. If he can keep that walk rate around 10-11% and get the K rate to around 23%, if you combine that with a .200 ISO you've got a damn dangerous player. If you could get 4 years of what Morales gave you guys last year for the cost of 1 year of Davis, would you take it? With a little more upside than that? And before you say no - do me a favor and take a look at Wil Myers numbers. There would be something strangely satisfying about trading Myers for Shields and Davis, then dealing Davis for a guy that has a very VERY similar hitting profile to Wil Myers. About the only thing that separated those two offensively last year was PAs and some BABIP luck. You might be right - Davis is damn good and perhaps you could do a bit better. But I don't think this is the puke-worthy kind of return some of you do either. Soler has a chance to be a hell of an offensive weapon. |
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How long until we start hearing Hosmer rumors or is that more of a trade deadline thing....?
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what the **** is happening!!!
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@Ken_Rosenthal: Among CFers in whom #STLCards are expressing interest, per sources: #Royals’ Jarrod Dyson. Potential FA, lower acquisition cost than Cain.
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@FlannyMLB: Dayton Moore reiterated that #Royals may make a trade or two here but that this is not a garage sale. Expects team to compete for title
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You make good points on Soler, but that deal still feels awfully light compared to the Chapman deadline deal. Quote:
Well, that's good to hear. There's a path to moving Cain and Davis that still leads to success in 2017, but only if you net a SP and a 2B/RF in those trades who can upgrade you in 2017, and only if the salary savings are reinvested into some FA support for the bullpen (Luke Hochevar?) and lineup (DH - though all my targets are off the board). Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk |
Fangraphs: "The Royals Last Ride"
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Glass showing his true colors. Deep down he's a POS
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First off, I can't see what resemblance whatsoever Soler has to Myers, other than some raw power and high K rates. Which you could compare to dozens of RH hitters. Soler is a league AVG hitter wRC+. That's not going to cut it at DH in the AL. He hit .224 vs RH so he's possibly worthless vs. the majority of pitchers we'd face. To me he's a 7 slot hitter on a crappy team, like the As or the Twins. |
Even with his huge potential, think I'd rather see Ian Happ from the Cubs than Soler. Seeing some buzz that Chicago might offer both, but that seems high (either as The centerpiece works, but both?).
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What about Almora? He's a very good defender in the Outfield.. Hasn't quite developed the last couple of years in the higher levels like folks thought he would, but still has a lot of potential.
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Perfect time to trade both in my opinion. Their value is only going down from this point.
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Ok....
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Wong isn't that good
Cain is crucial to Royals' offense |
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I guess if the Royals make this trade, they've officially thrown up the white flag on the 2017 season. (They better get one hell of a prospect haul to do this . . . . . ) |
Uggh. Not a fan of Kolton Getz.
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Pearce to the Jays for 2/$12.5 million.
That's a guy I would have liked to have and very affordable. |
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I don't buy it. Wong isn't enough as the primary piece for either guy by himself unless Weaver and Flaherty are the prospects. As a package deal, the Cards would have to empty out the farm system. Quote:
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Didn't we flip shit last off season....and the one before that about Glass being tight and not signing much of anyone?
I am fine with moving Davis for some prospects. He's easily replaced by Herrera IMO. Other than that, I don't think you move anyone unless it's an insane hall. Davis should bring a MLB ready bat for somewhere in the lineup, along with some arms. |
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The Cardinals don't have 'a helluva haul prospect wise' to offer. I mean sure, they could move Reyes, but they're not going to for two pending FAs. He has way too much value. And the drop from Reyes is just too steep. Wong, as you know, sucks bawls. And if we included our #2 and #3 prospects with him, that's Weaver and Bader. Now I like both of those guys, but you're looking at a 4th starter with good #3 upside (too small to be more than that) and a likely 4th OFer with plus power potential. In an absolutely ideal world, Bader turns into a 25 HR outfielder who probably puts up a triple slash of .265/.315/.485 but that's a pretty tough row to hoe given his plate discipline. He's capable of playing an above average CF but nothing outstanding. If you have an above average CFer with an .800 OPS and that kind of power potential, you're looking at a fringe all-star level player. But let's be honest - there's a 20% shot at that? Probably less. 12 total years of those guys plus another 4 of Wong...16 years of control vs. 2 is obviously something that Moore would find attractive, but for those two players I would think Moore could do a little better. I suspect there's not much to it. |
I have a feeling that a lot of this is other teams' GMs knowing what the Royals situation is, and trying to leverage it through the press.
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Mozeliak doesn't work through the press at all. None of his trades over the last several years were reported at all, they just happened. Using the press for leverage was a Jocketty thing but Mozeliak doesn't work like that. |
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Sources: Legitimate chance of Sale trade to <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Nationals?src=hash">#Nationals</a>. Robles, Giolito would go to <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/WhiteSox?src=hash">#WhiteSox</a>. Teams haggling over final pieces in deal.</p>— Ken Rosenthal (@Ken_Rosenthal) <a href="https://twitter.com/Ken_Rosenthal/status/805959375089180672">December 6, 2016</a></blockquote>
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Sux wave white (sox) flag quite early. 1 down, and Twinks will suck balls.
Why wouldn't we go out in a blaze of glory? Eff 2018 |
Saw that the Cubs are interested in Wade and Duffy....Schwarber in play here esp. if we're talking Duffy?
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Facebook sports fans pure entertainment. |
@ChrisCotillo: Industry buzz tonight is that the Royals could be looking to trade Lorenzo Cain and Wade Davis as part of a package deal.
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Wong, Weaver, Bader/Sierra for Cain is about right. |
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Dodgers Nationals (maybe) Mets Cubs Rangers I don't think the Cardinals are a fit for both, as they wouldn't have the motivation to pay the price for Davis. The other teams all have the ability to build a package that would be worth both. |
Nationals are just going to blow their system up if they get Sale and then go after Cain/Davis. But most of it is starting pitchers and they are fine in that department on the roster.
Cain/Davis for Turner, Lopez, and something and something. |
@BKSportsTalk: .@JonHeyman says the #Royals could trade anyone BUT Duffy or Salvy. That sounds more like it. http://www.fanragsports.com/mlb/roya...lmost-anybody/
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Trade Homer please
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That trade would have to look more like a maxed out version of what I talked about earlier in the thread: Wade Davis + Lorenzo Cain for.... OF Michael Taylor Prospects: SP Reynaldo Lopez SP Erick Fedde SP Austin Voth CF Austin Stevenson |
My head is spinning. Can we turn the clock back to 2014 and do this run again?
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Unless you're a big Brooks Pounders fan. |
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