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staylor26 03-28-2015 03:54 PM

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Originally Posted by milkman (Post 11408119)
Yes, they are.

The liability that was Kendrick Lewis, however, still didn't stop this defense from playing at a high level before Houston was hurt in '13.

That was also because we played a buncha backup QB's and hadn't been exposed yet.

Saccopoo 03-28-2015 09:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Dicky McElephant (Post 11408079)
Would you take him over Collins?

Hmmmm...

Yeah, I think I would.

Between Stephenson, Allen and Sherrod, there has to be a serviceable RT in there somewhere. All three were absolute studs in college and at least one has to be able to translate over.

As well, between Fulton and Fanaika, there has to be a serviceable guard. (And I'm hoping that they can pick up a guy like John Miller in the draft and that answers that question right then and there.)

Collins is the best plug and play offensive lineman in this draft and would be able to play four positions in this offense. However, Bud Dupree has physical gifts that are rarer than hens teeth, crocodile tears, whatever. He's a complete freak.

And it's not like he's a slack ass. The guy is a team captain, was an excellent student and supposedly was a great locker room guy. He's raw in terms of technique, but you simply cannot deny the physical gifts that he has. Like I said, there is only a handful of people on the planet who can do what he did at the Combine. A freaking 42" vertical at 269 lbs.? 4.59 laser timed 40? Jesus...

I think that with the amount of mid round picks that the Chiefs have in a pretty deep draft, I'd roll the dice on a specimen like Dupree and then get the best football players I could from there on out. Guys like McBride, Vigil, Miller, etc.

milkman 03-29-2015 07:08 AM

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Originally Posted by staylor26 (Post 11408146)
That was also because we played a buncha backup QB's and hadn't been exposed yet.

I am fully aware that there were other factors in play, but the near certain fact remains that this defense has been outstanding over the last two years when Justin Houston has been healthy.

It has been mediocre to just plain garbage when he isn't.

staylor26 03-29-2015 07:16 AM

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Originally Posted by milkman (Post 11408887)
I am fully aware that there were other factors in play, but the near certain fact remains that this defense has been outstanding over the last two years when Justin Houston has been healthy.

It has been mediocre to just plain garbage when he isn't.

Agreed. Houston is the most valuable player on the team. There's more of a dropoff on defense without Houston than there is on the offense without Charles.

On a side note, what I really think this defense needs (outside of ILB) is a solid nickel. Owens was our biggest liability in the passing game and we have yet to replace him. I Was VERY high on Gaines last year so I'm not worried about our corners on the outside. That could really help us take the next step. What do you think?

RealSNR 03-29-2015 07:27 AM

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Originally Posted by Saccopoo (Post 11408713)
Guys like McBride, Vigil, Miller, etc.

McBride? **** him.

His real name should be Tre McBaldwin

staylor26 03-29-2015 07:30 AM

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Originally Posted by SNR (Post 11408901)
McBride? **** him.

His real name should be Tre McBaldwin

I don't know what Sac sees in McBride. I'd much rather have Greene, Hardy, Dorsett, or Lockett. Even if it's a round eariler.

milkman 03-29-2015 07:38 AM

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Originally Posted by staylor26 (Post 11408894)
Agreed. Houston is the most valuable player on the team. There's more of a dropoff on defense without Houston than there is on the offense without Charles.

On a side note, what I really think this defense needs (outside of ILB) is a solid nickel. Owens was our biggest liability in the passing game and we have yet to replace him. I Was VERY high on Gaines last year so I'm not worried about our corners on the outside. That could really help us take the next step. What do you think?

This team, on offense, as I see it, still needs O-Line and WR help, and on defense still needs CB and ILB.

So, yes I agree.

Depending on how the draft falls, I would love to see the Chiefs trade a 3rd for Mychael Kendricks if there are any legs to the rumor that the Eagles are looking to move him.

I'd also be willing to risk taking Marcus Peters in the first.

Saccopoo 03-29-2015 09:03 AM

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Originally Posted by staylor26 (Post 11408904)
I don't know what Sac sees in McBride. I'd much rather have Greene, Hardy, Dorsett, or Lockett. Even if it's a round eariler.

You mean other than his excellent speed (4.41 at Combine), ability to high point the ball is maybe the best in this draft, insane catch radius, very good route runner, smart (originally recruited by Harvard), excellent size, exceptional hands?

Dude, along with Louisville OL John Miller, was the best player at the Shrine game and it wasn't even close.

He's this years Odell Beckham. Seriously. They are incredibly similar in play style, their combine numbers are nearly identical and they are both very dedicated route runners with the ability to high point the ball exceptionally well with a huge catch radius.

Tre McBride would absolutely bust shit off in this system.

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Saccopoo 03-29-2015 09:04 AM

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Originally Posted by SNR (Post 11408901)
McBride? **** him.

His real name should be Tre McBaldwin

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Saccopoo 03-29-2015 09:28 AM

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Originally Posted by milkman (Post 11408911)
This team, on offense, as I see it, still needs O-Line and WR help, and on defense still needs CB and ILB.

So, yes I agree.

Depending on how the draft falls, I would love to see the Chiefs trade a 3rd for Mychael Kendricks if there are any legs to the rumor that the Eagles are looking to move him.

I'd also be willing to risk taking Marcus Peters in the first.

Whoa...

Peters has been a perennial problem child his whole college career. Weed, bad attitude, on-field histronics, missing practices/team meetings, etc. There is a whole lot of stupid stuff associated with this guy in a really short time frame.

And I think that Florida State's PJ Williams is just a better cornerback period. Plays nasty and physical.

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milkman 03-29-2015 09:56 AM

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Originally Posted by Saccopoo (Post 11409022)
Whoa...

Peters has been a perennial problem child his whole college career. Weed, bad attitude, on-field histronics, missing practices/team meetings, etc. There is a whole lot of stupid stuff associated with this guy in a really short time frame.

And I think that Florida State's PJ Williams is just a better cornerback period. Plays nasty and physical.

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I am merely using Peters as an extreme example to illustrate how crucial the need to upgrade corner.

staylor26 03-29-2015 10:07 AM

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Originally Posted by Saccopoo (Post 11409001)
You mean other than his excellent speed (4.41 at Combine), ability to high point the ball is maybe the best in this draft, insane catch radius, very good route runner, smart (originally recruited by Harvard), excellent size, exceptional hands?

Dude, along with Louisville OL John Miller, was the best player at the Shrine game and it wasn't even close.

He's this years Odell Beckham. Seriously. They are incredibly similar in play style, their combine numbers are nearly identical and they are both very dedicated route runners with the ability to high point the ball exceptionally well with a huge catch radius.

Tre McBride would absolutely bust shit off in this system.

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It's not that I don't like McBride, but he doesn't get the separation that those guys get against inferior competition (slower 3 cone then all of them also) and I'd prefer one of them over him regardless of the round. He wouldn't be a bad consolation prize if we wait longer than I'd like to take a WR though.

bricks 03-29-2015 01:22 PM

If we took a corner, Id hope for Tre Waynes. Doubt he falls to us though.

Saccopoo 03-29-2015 01:54 PM

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Originally Posted by milkman (Post 11409054)
I am merely using Peters as an extreme example to illustrate how crucial the need to upgrade corner.

Oh...

Well then, I agree.

I've already said that I wouldn't mind it at all if PJ Williams was our first round selection.

redshirt32 04-04-2015 09:12 PM

Well i found my LB but we will have to wait tell next year.....

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