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Coochie liquor 03-09-2015 07:35 PM

I just ate a tuna sandwich I found on the bus....

Meatloaf 03-09-2015 08:08 PM

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Originally Posted by SNR (Post 11371877)
Dorsey seems nice

Is SR back? He's nice.

DaneMcCloud 03-09-2015 08:19 PM

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Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins (Post 11371867)
How could you claim that they managed the cap excellently with a straight face? They had to eat dead money on the deals with Bowe, Mays, and Walker, the Mauga signing was horrible, and DeVito is wildly overpaid.

Also, lumping "OL" in as a single position is disingenuous. The Chiefs are worse at every single position on the OL than they were in 2013. Every single one.

Dorsey has proven he can build a mediocre team. He hasn't yet proven he can build a good one.

Who cares how "dead money" they have to eat? The team went from utter dogshit to respectable overnight.

The failure of the offensive line is Pioli's fault. He spent two 2nd's and two 3rd's, which resulted in 3 out 4 players that been average at best, which is probably generous.

Signing Albert would have been a momentous mistake, Schwartz played in two games and Asamoah is garbage.

And LOL at Mauga being a horrible signing. Good ****ing Christ on a lollipop, no team can have superstars at every position.

ILChief 03-09-2015 08:24 PM

Carl would be on vacation in Europe

'Hamas' Jenkins 03-09-2015 08:48 PM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud (Post 11372066)
Who cares how "dead money" they have to eat? The team went from utter dogshit to respectable overnight.

The failure of the offensive line is Pioli's fault. He spent two 2nd's and two 3rd's, which resulted in 3 out 4 players that been average at best, which is probably generous.

Signing Albert would have been a momentous mistake, Schwartz played in two games and Asamoah is garbage.

And LOL at Mauga being a horrible signing. Good ****ing Christ on a lollipop, no team can have superstars at every position.

Mauga's a horrible signing because they paid a guy who is practice squad fodder $8 million over three years. A dollar over the vet minimum is an overpay for that guy.

The failure of the OL is not Pioli's fault. Hell, he acquired the only OL we had worth a damn. Dorsey spent the #1 overall pick on a soft bitch from a MAC school. If Fisher was a 4th rounder, he would have already been cut. Allen and Asamoah weren't much, but they were a hell of a lot better than the trash we walked out at guard, and tackle, last year.

And you should care about dead money because every dollar you blow on a dead contract is a dollar you can't roll over.

Marcellus 03-09-2015 08:52 PM

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Originally Posted by SNR (Post 11371634)
I don't think even at Dorsey's perceived worst did anybody ever say that he was worse than Pioli.

This is not true at all. I read that several times this offseason.

I believe Discuss Thrower and ReeRun were both on that wagon.

'Hamas' Jenkins 03-09-2015 08:53 PM

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Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501 (Post 11371911)
I said I didn't like their cap management year 1 which includes bowe and devito. Nitpicking over about 10m for 3 players for 1 year of play plus dead money to cut? That's the definition of picky considering they shed well over 50m in contracts the past 2 years.

While everyone insisted we sign Schwartz, Albert plus add desean and Byrd, the Chiefs added I think less than 15m in contracts minus Alex Smith. It helped clean our cap big time and probably landed us 4 comp picks. This year, he's set to shed a lot of bad contracts without taking nearly the massive hit in dead money that was expected.

If you're going position by position, fine. We upgraded at two safety spots, 2 corner, DE, 2 rb, Fb, te, k, kr/pr, wr 1, possibly wr 2 (wilson) , utility wr, qb. We have true depth at almost all of these positions.

We downgraded at center (maybe), left tackle, and right guard (maybe). We stayed flat at olb and punter, replaced a good 1 cb with a good 1cb. We didn't add depth at olb, nt, or OL.

The plusses outweigh the minuses by a ton. And that's including depth. That's not even including special teams.

You did not upgrade Eric Berry's spot. They added depth to the spot. They also did not upgrade DE. Allen Bailey was already here. Mike DeVito added little to nothing. The GM does not get credit when the young talent that was already here improved.

The Chiefs should have improved a lot. They spent a lot of money and had the #1 overall pick.

They certainly have not improved to the extent one should deem Dorsey's job as praiseworthy given all the assets they've spent to this point.

TribalElder 03-09-2015 08:55 PM

Dorsey is now the messiah because Tamba is Tamba and maclin got super paid ?

Calm down people they haven't done shit yet

Marcellus 03-09-2015 08:59 PM

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Originally Posted by TribalElder (Post 11372140)
Dorsey is now the messiah because Tamba is Tamba and maclin got super paid ?

Calm down people they haven't done shit yet

Well that and he has won 20 games in 2 years after inheriting a 2-14 team.

TribalElder 03-09-2015 09:02 PM

Playoffs ... Epic playoff collapse that will live on forever as the standard for bedshitting

Pioli and Haley won the division and lost at home at least to save people gas money

Marcellus 03-09-2015 09:04 PM

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Originally Posted by TribalElder (Post 11372151)
Playoffs ... Epic playoff collapse that will live on forever as the standard for bedshitting

Pioli and Haley won the division and lost at home at least to save people gas money

I know, I know, Dorsey blew that huge lead after 5 starters got hurt etc....

Aside from injury Reid is to blame for that loss ultimately and the fact is, Dorsey didn't hire Reid so that argument is just dumb.

TribalElder 03-09-2015 09:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Marcellus (Post 11372159)
I know, I know, Dorsey blew that huge lead after 5 starters got hurt etc....

Aside from injury Reid is to blame for that loss ultimately and the fact is, Dorsey didn't hire Reid so that argument is just dumb.

Our starters got removed by cocksmack refs lol

Still though, ShowMe !

Big Tedd 03-09-2015 09:11 PM

2008 AFC West 4th 2 14
2009 AFC West 4th 4 12
2010 AFC West 1st 10 6
2011 AFC West 4th 7 9
2012 AFC West 4th 2 14
2013 AFC West 2nd 11 5
2014 AFC West 2nd 9 7

Look at the previous 5 years and tell me that the current management team is not doing a good job.

Yeah, it aint perfect, but two winning seasons to start out is a hell of a lot better than what was going on in KC before.

chiefzilla1501 03-09-2015 09:12 PM

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Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins (Post 11372137)
You did not upgrade Eric Berry's spot. They added depth to the spot. They also did not upgrade DE. Allen Bailey was already here. Mike DeVito added little to nothing. The GM does not get credit when the young talent that was already here improved.

The Chiefs should have improved a lot. They spent a lot of money and had the #1 overall pick.

They certainly have not improved to the extent one should deem Dorsey's job as praiseworthy given all the assets they've spent to this point.

With a healthy dj and berry, this is an elite defense and they did it against a brutal schedule. We have an elite running game. Good playmakers in kelce and DAT. Excellent special teams. Quality depth (a rarity for kc). This year, we look like we will also improve at wr.

Two years ago, we made the playoffs and were called a fluke because of the schedule. Last year, we went over. 500 despite devastating losses on defense and OL against a brutal schedule. This year, we are adding maclin and have 11 picks in the draft. I guess I find it a little narrow minded to say we haven't improved just because 1 or 2 positions haven't improved.

'Hamas' Jenkins 03-09-2015 09:30 PM

Stamp it on your foreheads: better than bad does not equal good.


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