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RunKC 01-31-2015 01:41 PM

Nick Foles was who Andy wanted. He couldn't even get permission.

Alex is the best alternative until they see a guy they like in the draft.

O.city 01-31-2015 01:42 PM

In the past, when he's gotten the most out of a qb and it's not good enough, he's moved on.

Hopefullu, if that's the case here, they'll move on

BigCatDaddy 01-31-2015 01:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Hog Farmer (Post 11301830)
Smtih is the best QB we've had since Trent Green and he may be better than him. In fact I would say he's the best since we had Mantana

Probably even better than Montana since Joe couldn't make the plays with his feet that Alex can!

O.city 01-31-2015 01:45 PM

I'm not sure about the numbers but Reid seems to have ran it more herr than he did in Philly.

I bet that changes next year. Or maybe it's because he's trying to hide his qb.

ILChief 01-31-2015 01:48 PM

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Originally Posted by O.city (Post 11302030)
What he's getting out of Alex smith has never been satisfactory for Reid as a coach from his qb though, in the past.

That or he apparently thinks with more around him he can get more.

You would get more from anyone with more around them

Discuss Thrower 01-31-2015 01:55 PM

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Originally Posted by O.city (Post 11302054)
I'm not sure about the numbers but Reid seems to have ran it more herr than he did in Philly.

I bet that changes next year. Or maybe it's because he's trying to hide his qb.

Rushing to passing attempts of the last 12 of Reid's 15 seasons:

2003: 417/484
2004: 376/547
2005: 365/620
2006: 416/544
2007: 421/577
2008: 427/606
2009: 384/553
2010: 428/561
2011: 450/554
2012: 416/618
2013: 442/546
2014: 420/493

bevischief 01-31-2015 02:01 PM

Defense is the only way they will win with Alex.

O.city 01-31-2015 02:01 PM

Not what I thought it would be, but I still think he wants it more pass oriented.

Or maybe it's just me

keg in kc 01-31-2015 02:08 PM

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Originally Posted by O.city (Post 11301995)
I don't think it mattered what he thought with pioli here. If you read the article, at that time, he was pretty out of it

That article was about how he was going to be more involved, how he idolized the Steelers franchise, how he wanted a long tenured coach like Cowher, how he wanted to draft and develop a quarterback, and how he wanted to take more of a direct personal role in order to help restore stability and consistency. In six years we've gone through two front offices, three head coaches (the latest about to turn 57 so a decade in town's pretty unlikely) and drafted and developed zero quarterbacks.

What he said he wanted to do six years ago is great and all, but we need to judge him on his actions. So far not so good.

chiefzilla1501 01-31-2015 02:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by O.city (Post 11302054)
I'm not sure about the numbers but Reid seems to have ran it more herr than he did in Philly.

I bet that changes next year. Or maybe it's because he's trying to hide his qb.

I think it had a lot more to do with defenses attacking with 8 guys because they had no fear whatsoever of Alex Smith burning them deep. Charles didn't run as much toward the end of the season because defenses were stopping him. Jamaal has played behind some shitty QB play, but there's only so much he can do that.

chiefzilla1501 01-31-2015 02:13 PM

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Originally Posted by BigCatDaddy (Post 11301945)
There was significant talent just beyoshitty management. And I believe Clark was the sole vote to retain Pioli.

This team has improved or stayed the same in every area except OL. By a lot. Better TE, DE, RB, and CB depth. Full rotation of safeties. Actual depth at most positions. The last missing piece is a QB who can do something with it. The front office has done mostly a good job at the pieces outside of QB, save for a few obvious big mistakes (e.g. Fisher)

O.city 01-31-2015 02:16 PM

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Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501 (Post 11302099)
I think it had a lot more to do with defenses attacking with 8 guys because they had no fear whatsoever of Alex Smith burning them deep. Charles didn't run as much toward the end of the season because defenses were stopping him. Jamaal has played behind some shitty QB play, but there's only so much he can do that.

I think he was hurt too

keg in kc 01-31-2015 02:18 PM

The team's inability to challenge downfield hurts the running game as much as it hurts the short passing game (which is basically just another type of running game, extended handoffs...).

O.city 01-31-2015 02:23 PM

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Originally Posted by keg in kc (Post 11302096)
That article was about how he was going to be more involved, how he idolized the Steelers franchise, how he wanted a long tenured coach like Cowher, how he wanted to draft and develop a quarterback, and how he wanted to take more of a direct personal role in order to help restore stability and consistency. In six years we've gone through two front offices, three head coaches (the latest about to turn 57 so a decade in town's pretty unlikely) and drafted and developed zero quarterbacks.

What he said he wanted to do six years ago is great and all, but we need to judge him on his actions. So far not so good.

I was just talking about this article.

At the time of pioli, he didnt know what was going on, imo.

BigCatDaddy 01-31-2015 02:23 PM

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Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501 (Post 11302105)
This team has improved or stayed the same in every area except OL. By a lot. Better TE, DE, RB, and CB depth. Full rotation of safeties. Actual depth at most positions. The last missing piece is a QB who can do something with it. The front office has done mostly a good job at the pieces outside of QB, save for a few obvious big mistakes (e.g. Fisher)

They inherited Eric Berry, Jamal Charles, Derrick Johnson, Dwayne Bowe, Tamba Hali, Brandon Albert, Poe, Bailey and Houston. They best thing they've done is addition by subtraction with Cassel and Tyson Jackson, both guys Pioli just couldn't admit he ****ed up on.

So have spent how many more millions a year than Pioli to fill in a few complimentary pieces, 30-40?


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