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chiefzilla1501 06-24-2017 07:19 AM

Something absurd to consider... In 4 drafts, every single first and second rounder is a legit starter. That is crazy good talent evaluation.

Messier 06-24-2017 07:42 AM

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Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501 (Post 12929779)
I would rather have a gm who knows talent but can't manage the cap than a gm who can't bring in talent but manages the cap well. That is basically Scott Pioli.

If Dorsey was fired for cap reasons, **** that. Hire a better cap manager that puts his feet to the fire. Sure it bothers me but considering how many elite draft picks he's hauled in at the price of peanuts, that more than makes up for a few million over spent on a veteran

There has to be a factor we'll probably never know. The management of several contract situations was embarrassing. Not sure if it was fire worthy, but every part of how Maclin was handled was bad. I think there's more to it though.

Sweet Daddy Hate 06-24-2017 09:00 AM

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Originally Posted by Marcellus (Post 12929754)
How any times do you guys have to read this before it registers?



http://www.kansascity.com/sports/spt...157737484.html

I find it very hard to believe that Andy just sat back on his hands and ass and let Clark show Dorsey the exit. That makes ZERO sense. ZERO.

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Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501 (Post 12929780)
Something absurd to consider... In 4 drafts, every single first and second rounder is a legit starter. That is crazy good talent evaluation.

Better hope that Veach was taking notes.

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Originally Posted by Messier (Post 12929792)
There has to be a factor we'll probably never know. The management of several contract situations was embarrassing. Not sure if it was fire worthy, but every part of how Maclin was handled was bad. I think there's more to it though.

As was pointed out, Dorsey was taking the old, cold, Belichick road in terms of dealing with personnel contracts instead of the Carl father figure/buddy-buddy way, and he was absolutely right in doing so.
Why should he care if these millionaires get hurt feelings? It's a ****ing business.
You can't get on a person's ass about cap management while simultaneously bitching that he isn't giving your franchise's dollars away FAST ENOUGH to keep the players happy.

This whole thing is total bullshit, and I can not WAIT until Dorsey gets his next job so that he can tell his side of the story without worrying about being blackballed.

Red Dawg 06-24-2017 09:03 AM

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Originally Posted by Messier (Post 12929792)
There has to be a factor we'll probably never know. The management of several contract situations was embarrassing. Not sure if it was fire worthy, but every part of how Maclin was handled was bad. I think there's more to it though.

Terez stated that Maclins rep was told about the release before the voice mail was left when Dorsey tried to call him. Maclin is being a douche for a guy that will still get 4 mil for doing nothing. Just like he got 12 mil last year to do nothing.

Eleazar 06-24-2017 09:24 AM

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Originally Posted by Messier (Post 12929792)
There has to be a factor we'll probably never know. The management of several contract situations was embarrassing. Not sure if it was fire worthy, but every part of how Maclin was handled was bad. I think there's more to it though.

Maclin getting Dorsey fired is a ChiefsPlanet meme.

He was fired because he lost a power struggle with Andy Reid, which struggle was created by CHunt's idiotic scheme where both parties report directly to the owner.

Marcellus 06-24-2017 10:05 AM

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Originally Posted by Sweet Daddy Hate (Post 12929821)
I find it very hard to believe that Andy just sat back on his hands and ass and let Clark show Dorsey the exit. That makes ZERO sense. ZERO.

It only makes zero sense to you because

A. It conflicts with what you want to believe
B. You dont have a Goddamn clue what was going on at Arrowhead

Basically you are saying Reid fired Dorsey though Clark has told you elven million times that the coach and GM both report directly to him.

Its ****ing hilarious you guys cant see how simple it is that Clark and Dorsey didn't get along for some reason which would likely be differences in player contracts.

Its also fairly obvious most of you have never hired fired or managed people.

I am not glad Dorsey is gone but I have no reason to believe what actual people in the know are saying which is Andy didn't have anything to do with it and Andy isn't going to control personnel.

Those arent mind blowing concepts unless you just want to make shit up to fit your agenda and whine and complain.

Marcellus 06-24-2017 10:06 AM

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Originally Posted by Cochise (Post 12929840)
Maclin getting Dorsey fired is a ChiefsPlanet meme.

He was fired because he lost a power struggle with Andy Reid, which struggle was created by CHunt's idiotic scheme where both parties report directly to the owner.

:facepalm:

This doesn't even make sense.

Marcellus 06-24-2017 10:10 AM

It is pretty hilarious that when Maclin got cut this place went ape shit talking about how ridiculous it was, how shitty the contract was, why cut him yada yada yada.

Dorsey gets fired and suddenly he is bulletproof and has never made a mistake.

Maclin isn't WHY Dorsey got fired, Maclin is part of why Dorsey got fired.

If you believe what been reported about the Berry contract deal and Houston's contract etc...is not hard to connect the real dots here.

Dorsey is good at drafting and terrible at contracts. Its THAT simple.

RunKC 06-24-2017 11:13 AM

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Originally Posted by Marcellus (Post 12929885)
It is pretty hilarious that when Maclin got cut this place went ape shit talking about how ridiculous it was, how shitty the contract was, why cut him yada yada yada.

Dorsey gets fired and suddenly he is bulletproof and has never made a mistake.

Maclin isn't WHY Dorsey got fired, Maclin is part of why Dorsey got fired.

If you believe what been reported about the Berry contract deal and Houston's contract etc...is not hard to connect the real dots here.

Dorsey is good at drafting and terrible at contracts. Its THAT simple.

It's still Clarks fault. If this was a lingering problem then it should have been taken care of after the season.

Now your top guy is gone and your 2nd top man is in Indy. Clark should have made this decision in January not June. Why the hell is he examining job performances this late?

DaneMcCloud 06-24-2017 11:19 AM

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Originally Posted by Cochise (Post 12929840)
Maclin getting Dorsey fired is a ChiefsPlanet meme.

He was fired because he lost a power struggle with Andy Reid, which struggle was created by CHunt's idiotic scheme where both parties report directly to the owner.

:facepalm:

DaneMcCloud 06-24-2017 11:24 AM

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Originally Posted by RunKC (Post 12929946)
It's still Clarks fault. If this was a lingering problem then it should have been taken care of after the season.

Now your top guy is gone and your 2nd top man is in Indy. Clark should have made this decision in January not June. Why the hell is he examining job performances n

It's Clark's team and he can run it however he sees fit.

There are three possible outcomes:

1. Nothing changes and the Chiefs continue to win at a high clip, despite cap and Free Agency bungles
2. Talent evaluation slips and the Chiefs struggle
3. Talent evaluation and free agency signings improve and the Chiefs reach their goal

Whatever the case, Clark is still a "young" owner in this league and he, more than anyone else, will learn from this unprecedented decision.

BlackOp 06-24-2017 11:42 AM

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Originally Posted by RunKC (Post 12929946)
Now your top guy is gone and your 2nd top man is in Indy. Clark should have made this decision in January not June. Why the hell is he examining job performances this late?

Shame Clark cant fire himself...losing Ballard then firing Dorsey is sucking at your job.

DaneMcCloud 06-24-2017 11:52 AM

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Originally Posted by BlackOp (Post 12929971)
Shame Clark cant fire himself...losing Ballard then firing Dorsey is sucking at your job.

Or, he feels as if both of those guys can be replaced and put the organization in a better place.

People in all businesses are replaced daily due to personality conflicts, bad decision making or their treatment of others, whether they're VP's, Presidents, CFO's, CEO's, etc.

The bottom line is that Clark made the decision with the idea that the Chiefs will be better for it.

He certainly made the right decision in firing Carl Peterson, Herm Edwards, Todd Haley, Romeo Crennel and Scott Pioli.

Why are people on Chiefsplanet so absolutely certain that he made the wrong decision this time?

BlackOp 06-24-2017 12:12 PM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud (Post 12929976)

He certainly made the right decision in firing Carl Peterson, Herm Edwards, Todd Haley, Romeo Crennel and Scott Pioli.

Why are people on Chiefsplanet so absolutely certain that he made the wrong decision this time?

Chunt is making the mistake of supporting a family locker-room environment over results. There is a reason the saying "family and business dont mix" exists. Pro sports is a cut-throat industry and Dorsey just turned that dumpster fire (of Hunt's making) into a 22-4 team.

There is a reason firing your GM, at this point of the year, never happens, ever...Hunt sucks at running a team.

It's not Dorsey's job to be best buds with the players...dealing with money and pragmatic personnel decisions are the dirty part of it. Shit, the players in NE are kind of scared of Belichick and he's the frickin coach.

They can have all the picnics and slumber parties they want at Arrowhead...but losing is far worse for team morale than a few millionaire players with hurt feelings.

Are Berry and Houston going to pout when the new GM does something they dont like or cuts one of their friends?

gold_and_red 06-24-2017 12:31 PM

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Originally Posted by BlackOp (Post 12929982)
Chunt is making the mistake of supporting a family locker-room environment over results. There is a reason the saying "family and business dont mix" exists. Pro sports is a cut-throat industry and Dorsey just turned that dumpster fire (of Hunt's making) into a 22-4 team.

There is a reason firing your GM, at this point of the year, never happens, ever...Hunt sucks at owning a team.

They can have all the picnics and slumber parties they want at Arrowhead...but losing is far worse for team morale than a few millionaire players with hurt feelings.

Are Berry and Houston going to pout when the new GM does something they dont like or cuts one of their friends?

This issue is specific to the Chiefs because we rely so much on elite playmakers on the D. If we had the offense picking up the slack then Berry wouldn't be so overvalued. Belichick can afford to ship players to the Browns and still keep winning because he has an elite QB.


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