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Dunerdr 06-16-2015 11:43 AM

The chase Daniel of wide recievers. Sorry for your loss Dane.

RunKC 06-16-2015 11:45 AM

Andy's offense is not easy to learn. Wilson only played a few games, DAT is just now getting more of the playbook handed to him and Conley will likely be eased in.

You need more than one guy who knows the offense in and out. He's going to be the #4 WR by November anyway and he cost next to nothing.

BossChief 06-16-2015 11:45 AM

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Originally Posted by Detoxing (Post 11551434)
They have that guy. He just signed a big expensive contract and stands to be a major contributor in this offense.....

So, why do we need Avant again?

To be clear, i doubt he gets cut, but that's only because the rest of the players on the list are camp fodder.

But to act like he's anything but a JAG is silly.

This offense requires its receivers to do more than just be receiving options. They have to be effective blockers, too.

Reid even said Friday that it takes receivers 2-3 years to learn how to play in this offense. Having a guy like Avant on the roster to help the younger guys after practice, spending personnel time watching film together and other things he does is gonna help that learning curve and pay dividends with guys like Wilson, Thomas and Conley while also giving the team a reliable option both as a blocker and a possession receiver.

bricks 06-16-2015 11:46 AM

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Originally Posted by Detoxing (Post 11551434)
They have that guy. He just signed a big expensive contract and stands to be a major contributor in this offense.....

So, why do we need Avant again?

To be clear, i doubt he gets cut, but that's only because the rest of the players on the list are camp fodder.

But to act like he's anything but a JAG is silly.

Two brains are better than one. Can never have enough of those guys that know the offense.

Dante84 06-16-2015 11:46 AM

Room/Budget for Mathis?

http://arrowheadaddict.com/2015/06/1...e-agency-2015/

BossChief 06-16-2015 11:48 AM

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Originally Posted by RunKC (Post 11551448)
Andy's offense is not easy to learn. Wilson only played a few games, DAT is just now getting more of the playbook handed to him and Conley will likely be eased in.

You need more than one guy who knows the offense in and out. He's going to be the #4 WR by November anyway and he cost next to nothing.

Exactly.

Also, he only counts against the cap for like 500k even though his salary will be about 1m. That's how the rules work with Veterans.
That's basically coach pay.

ToxSocks 06-16-2015 11:50 AM

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Originally Posted by RunKC (Post 11551448)
Andy's offense is not easy to learn. Wilson only played a few games, DAT is just now getting more of the playbook handed to him and Conley will likely be eased in.

You need more than one guy who knows the offense in and out. He's going to be the #4 WR by November anyway and he cost next to nothing.

Good thing the Chiefs have more than one guy who knows the offense. WR coach, OC, HC, Maclin....I guess guys who've been here for Andy Reid's tenure don't count? Hemingway is in his 3rd season, both Wilson and DAT have a season under their belt. Hammond has been in this offense long enough. Who exactly needs another coach? Just Conley?

You're trying to justify his spot as a coach. If coaching is required, then hire another coach or coach better.

And he won't #4. He'll be #5 at best....#5 should be a developmental guy....

ToxSocks 06-16-2015 11:52 AM

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Originally Posted by BossChief (Post 11551449)
This offense requires its receivers to do more than just be receiving options. They have to be effective blockers, too.

Reid even said Friday that it takes receivers 2-3 years to learn how to play in this offense. Having a guy like Avant on the roster to help the younger guys after practice, spending personnel time watching film together and other things he does is gonna help that learning curve and pay dividends with guys like Wilson, Thomas and Conley while also giving the team a reliable option both as a blocker and a possession receiver.

Maclin seems to fit the bill perfectly for that. And he'll actually be able to lead by example on the field.

So why do we need Avant again?

ToxSocks 06-16-2015 11:55 AM

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Originally Posted by bricks (Post 11551450)
Two brains are better than one. Can never have enough of those guys that know the offense.

There's more than enough resources with knowledge of the offense to make Avant expendable.

I doubt he gets cut because there's simply no competition for the #5/6 spot.....but he doesn't deserve a spot simply because he knows the offense.

That spot SHOULD be filled by someone with talent....sadly the Chiefs still don't have a lot of talent there.

Hammock Parties 06-16-2015 11:58 AM

Haha.

How many homers were saying this guy was going to be our #2 or something stupid?

Hilarious.

BossChief 06-16-2015 11:58 AM

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Originally Posted by Detoxing (Post 11551460)
Good thing the Chiefs have more than one guy who knows the offense. WR coach, OC, HC, Maclin....I guess guys who've been here for Andy Reid's tenure don't count? Hemingway is in his 3rd season, both Wilson and DAT have a season under their belt. Hammond has been in this offense long enough. Who exactly needs another coach? Just Conley?

You're trying to justify his spot as a coach. If coaching is required, then hire another coach or coach better.

And he won't #4. He'll be #5 at best....#5 should be a developmental guy....

#2, #3 and #4 are all developmental guys.

This WR group will have a perfect mix of youth with big time potential and Vets to offer effective position play while being the perfect type of vets to help the young guys develop.

That's the way it should ALWAYS be done.

BossChief 06-16-2015 12:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Detoxing (Post 11551470)
There's more than enough resources with knowledge of the offense to make Avant expendable.

I doubt he gets cut because there's simply no competition for the #5/6 spot.....but he doesn't deserve a spot simply because he knows the offense.

That spot SHOULD be filled by someone with talent....sadly the Chiefs still don't have a lot of talent there.

We don't have a lot of talent at receiver?

Really?

Maclin
Conley
Wilson
Thomas

Those guys are LOADED with talent.

ToxSocks 06-16-2015 12:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Stop, Chiefs (Post 11551472)
Haha.

How many homers were saying this guy was going to be our #2 or something stupid?

Hilarious.

Who? Rodgers?

Ummm....no one....Avant....half this board thought or still thinks Avant will be our #2.

ToxSocks 06-16-2015 12:02 PM

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Originally Posted by BossChief (Post 11551478)
We don't have a lot of talent at receiver?

Really?

Maclin
Conley
Wilson
Thomas

Those guys are LOADED with talent.

I was talking about the back end of that list..the guys Avant are competing with. And even still, there's a whole lot of unknowns and what-if's there.

Dunerdr 06-16-2015 12:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Detoxing (Post 11551464)
Maclin seems to fit the bill perfectly for that. And he'll actually be able to lead by example on the field.

So why do we need Avant again?

Your kind of a dipshit sometimes. You know what's bigger and more important than speed and big play ability in kc right now? Accountability.

Smith knows avants gonna be where he's supposed to be. He seems to trust his hands. The guy blocks, knows the offense and is dependable. There's one other guy on the field who qualifies in all these categories and is a wideout. And we went out of our way to get him this offseason. We've got potential out the ass and maclin and avant.

He's like chase Daniel but with a successful nfl career. He's there when you need him. If he never sees the field that means things are going well for the potential guys. My guess is he sees more snaps in the run game than anything with his size and knowledge of the game/offense. And if Alex audibles out he's a guy that knows where to be.


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