Guthrie sucks, Hochevar sucks, Chen sucks, Duffy probably sucks, Odorizzo probably sucks, Smith sucks. It's not an easy fix. Paulino is decent, but seems to have injury problems. This rotation is in shambles and it will be a while until it's worth a shit no matter who they sign next year which will probably be nobody.

Dennis Lenoard just basically called every pitcher today a pussy!!! LMAO

That is awesome ROFLROFLROFLROFL

What'd he say?

That's a pretty unrealistic opinion.
Guthrie seems to have been fixed by whatever Eiland did to him. Four of his last five starts have been quality.
Smith has been adequate in the fifth spot since returning from the minors and looks like he has room for improvement.
Mendoza has been adequate as a number four guy since the end of May.
Duffy certainly looked serviceable prior to his injury.

Hoch needs to go simply because he has no mental toughness.
Chen has lost a lot of effectiveness and it's really time to move on.
Odorizzi looks like a AAAA pitcher to me, but he certainly could pan out or could be a trade chip. :shrug:

Said when he was a starter he was a starter and the game was 9 innings long. Said starters were starters and relievers wanted to be starters.

Basically what he was saying was this 6 inning, pitch count stuff is BS and in my day you went out and pitched the game.

I think the problem is that nothing is really clear cut.

You think Guthrie has turned it around based upon his last five starts, and yet you are ready for Chen (who needs one more decent inning tonight before he'll have posted a quality start in four of his last five starts as well) to move on.

I have no idea which of our starters will post the lowest ERA in September. I wouldn't be surprised if Hoch, Chen, Guthrie, or Mendoza looked good or bad. That, to me, is the problem.

What leads you to this conclusion? Isn't Odo like, 21 years old?

The difference is that Guthrie is 28 and Chen is 34. Guthrie is projectable where Chen has no where to go but down.

Odo gives up a lot of deep fly balls to minor league guys. Major League guys will tear him up. A lot of minor league players also get really solid contact off of him.

Guts is 33.

Well nevermind then. I was thinking he was younger for some reason.

Okay, new plan:

Sign two great starting pitchers, retain Hoch:
Rotation:
FA Pitcher 1
FA Pitcher 2
Mendoza
Smith
Hoch

Hope Hoch lights the world on fire and deal him at the half as Paulino/Duffy/Odorizzi are ready to take a spot in the rotation.

Okay, new plan:

Sign two great starting pitchers, retain Hoch:
Rotation:
FA Pitcher 1
FA Pitcher 2
Mendoza
Smith
Hoch

Hope Hoch lights the world on fire and deal him at the half as Paulino/Duffy/Odorizzi are ready to take a spot in the rotation.

Just for the record: I count 11 LOSSES where Yost left the starting pitcher in with >80 pitches and the starter gave up sufficient runs to cause a loss.

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