In his age 24 season, Moose had nearly identical numbers in more at bats. Fortunately, guys can actually still improve at that age. Soler is clearly better than Paulo, so that's actually an upgrade from last season. If GMDM can work his magic in the bullpen, this move may be a net add for 2017. And, we get 3 additional years of Soler.

In the 2nd half of the season, when he came back from injury, he had an .864 OPS in 97 at bats (including 7 HRs). That's obviously a small sample size, but 100 At bats @ .864 OPS is enough to demonstrate his potential.

I thought we'd get more, but it's not like we just traded for Neifi Perez.

We got bent over.

salary dump, lost 8 million per ... gain 3 million per


seriously, Wade Davis with almost zero worth?


Adding an outfielder makes way for Cain trade?

I love people being mad about it...what if the Royals had traded Wil Myers or Mike Moustakas for a closer straight up?

People would have been so pissed yet the Cubs just did that and somehow the Royals lose the trade...uh ok.

I hope this trade will work out in the end. But, man, losing Davis has me depressed right now.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Dayton Moore says Soler will be used in LF and RF.</p>&mdash; JJ Cooper (@jjcoop36) <a href="https://twitter.com/jjcoop36/status/806582499623272449">December 7, 2016</a></blockquote>
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I'm not even in love with the trade (I thought Davis would return more), but you're glossing over some key considerations:

First: Batting average is a shitty indicator in general and a really bad indicator for a power hitter. It gets even worse when you're talking about the BA of a power hitter.

Second: Davis is certainly gone after this year if kept in KC. Apparently his medical file has some big red flags (or the return would have been greater). With that risk considered, there's no guarantee KC gets major value back for him at the trade deadline or at the end of the year.

I wish the deal would have included at least another prospect or two (one good, one lotto ticket). I would have been fine doing it for Ian Happ instead (probably preferable to me, though Happ is a year away).

I wish they could have done better. I don't believe they could have unless they had taken players really far away from MLB in return.

Moore has a really good track record in major trades for guys like this (with some MLB service time). I'm still disappointed, but I don't think it's a bonehead undersell, and it could have a significant payoff.


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Can't wait for Soler, Cain and Gordon to be on the DL at the same time.

Wait a minute ...

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Dayton Moore says the Royals plan to use Jorge Soler in both right field and as a designated hitter.</p>&mdash; Rustin Dodd (@rustindodd) <a href="https://twitter.com/rustindodd/status/806583088302194688">December 7, 2016</a></blockquote>
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@jazayerli: And the Cubs wouldn't have traded Soler for Davis after 2014 even with 3 years of control. Soler is a great post-hype sleeper. https://twitter.com/stillbigwill/sta...80642028912640

Good point. Hopefully Solerpower will come in here and break Balboni's HR record and someone will step up to fill Wade's big shoes.

Or he will hit .238 again as a DH with limited HR's and we get to watch lots of blown saves- while Wade has the impact Ben did for the Cubs.

Coin flip at best.

To be fair, the value of a closer goes up dramatically when you think you can make the playoffs. If you are rebuilding or a .500 team, then it makes more sense to trade a good closer rather than keep him in the hopes of finishing 3rd in your division instead of 4th.

Since we have Herrera we can spare one, and this trade looks even to me. 1 year of an elite closer with health concerns for 4 years of a former top prospect who is marginal defensively but has huge potential on offense. The fact that Wade had an injury scare last season probably harmed his trade value so this is probably about what he's worth.

Some rumors that Cain might be traded too.

Gordon better get his shit together THIS year.

no more pussy bullshit

fans of both teams hate the deal, which is usually a sign it was a pretty even deal.


Soler could hit .238 and break Balboni's record and be a well-above-average performer. Hitting .238 doesn't automatically mean a player is bad.



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But batting 238 suggests limits on the amount of homers and RBI he can generate.

You stop being rationale and get pissed. :)