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OnTheWarpath15 12-18-2009 04:53 PM
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Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501 (Post 6358059)
As of right now, I think Freeman is easily playing like the 2nd best QB in this class. I agree with you on this one. But that would have been a monumental reach.
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Originally Posted by BossChief (Post 6358079)
I would rather have Jackson than Freeman.
Jesus.

I'm not saying we should have taken Freeman, only that we wouldn't be any worse off if we had.

DaneMcCloud 12-18-2009 04:54 PM
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Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501 (Post 6358050)
If you're going to rip on a team for taking Tyson Jackson, you better have a viable alternative.
Looks to me as if Wallace Gilberry was a very viable alternative, especially considering he was ALREADY ON THE ROSTER. Alex Magee in the third is a viable alternative as well.

JFC. Urine idiot.

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Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501 (Post 6358050)
Sanchez does have all the tools.

Except that he has shown shaky pocket presence, complete carelessness with holding the ball like a loaf of bread, an inability to read defenses, a deep lob ball that floats around in all kinds of different directions in windy conditions, the problem of holding onto the ball too long. If you're clinging to the belief that Sanchez is capable of handling the NFL after struggling in a very, very, very simplified version of an offense, then you're blind too. Like I said, 2009 Sanchez = 2006 Damon Huard.
Again, more foolishness.

Why you expected Sanchez to be a superior NFL QB in his first season is beyond me and all on you. He has the tools, he just needs the experience. He'll be a much better QB in 2010 and beyond.

Titty Meat 12-18-2009 04:55 PM
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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud (Post 6358141)
Looks to me as if Wallace Gilberry was a very viable alternative, especially considering he was ALREADY ON THE ROSTER. Alex Magee in the third is a viable alternative as well.

JFC. Urine idiot.



Again, more foolishness.

Why you expected Sanchez to be a superior NFL QB in his first season is beyond me and all on you. He has the tools, he just needs the experience. He'll be a much better QB in 2010 and beyond.
You make too much sense. Why did I ignore you this past off-season?

BossChief 12-18-2009 04:56 PM
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Originally Posted by L.A.Chieffan (Post 6358082)
the funny thing is, if we were drafting at 17 we still would have our choice of either
I didnt like the pick at 3, but this statement is dead wrong.

Days after the draft, Singletary was the guest on NFLN and he said he had TJ pegged for their pick. He also said that the Crabtree pick was the GMs call and that he wanted a defensive player.

The Browns came out and said he would have been their pick.

TJ was a reach, but not as big of one as some make it out to be. NO WAY he would have made it to 17. NONE.

I believe my preference was Orakpo...Crabtree...Monroe...Raji...Mauluaga in that order. The TJ pick totally blindsided me, but to be honest I wasnt thrilled or disapointed in it because it seems he has the mentality and work ethic to become a very very good player and the fact that his presence should bolster the attitude of Dorsey added some increased value to the pick.

The 09 draft was an anomaly because about every top prospect had big question marks. One only has to look at the vast list of underclassmen qbs to be taken in the first round to see that Mark Sanchez was a huge risk pick...add in the fact that he only started 15 college games and that put him in a small class (him and Akili Smith) as underclassmen qbs with only one year of experience. The chance of the pick fruiting a all pro calibur qb was slim in my opinion.

time will tell who was right and who was wrong in this debate, it is far from finished.

MahiMike 12-18-2009 04:56 PM
Hamas issues his Fatwa...

DaneMcCloud 12-18-2009 05:00 PM
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Originally Posted by billay (Post 6358146)
You make too much sense. Why did I ignore you this past off-season?
Apparently, I rubbed you the wrong way.

That happens quite frequently when debating with DaneMcCloud.

:evil:

InChiefsHeaven 12-18-2009 05:01 PM
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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud (Post 6358163)
Apparently, I rubbed you the wrong way.

That happens quite frequently when debating with DaneMcCloud.

:evil:
Perhaps you should consider rubbing people the right way...*porn music*

Titty Meat 12-18-2009 05:02 PM
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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud (Post 6358163)
Apparently, I rubbed you the wrong way.

That happens quite frequently when debating with DaneMcCloud.

:evil:
haha thats true. To be fair one of the guys I wanted was Bj Raji which would have been a better pick than Tyson Jackson.

'Hamas' Jenkins 12-18-2009 05:03 PM
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Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501 (Post 6357915)
Ho boy. Love it when people use hindsight to make their arguments. I don't apologize for anything I said there. I was wrong, but I didn't say anything outrageous. I was deadset against Aaron Curry and to this day, I still believe that this was one of the worst top 5's in the history of draft classes. Curry, Sanchez, Monroe, Crabtree, and Raji were the only guys that were slated as top 5 potential players. And of those, Raji and Crabtree are the only ones I maybe regret not drafting (and that's a very loose regret for Crabtree). When people complain about not getting guys like Harvin or Moreno or Maclin, you're talking about players who fell more than 10-20 spots--that's a pretty massive reach. But in the hindsight game, it sounds like a great point. Tyson Jackson is starting to play a little bit better. And you don't expect a player like him to hit his stride until his 2nd or 3rd year. We won't know how well we did with this pick until next season or in 2011. Anyone who expects anything otherwise is being unrealistic.

To the second point, I know I was wrong with Stafford. I didn't like him, but I think he's got a bright future. While the Chiefs may have ****ed up on Cassel, the Chiefs needed a QB and their option was either to draft Sanchez, trade for Cassel, or start Thigpen. None of those options are looking any more attractive than the other right now. The Cassel thing looks like a ****-up in hindsight, but I'm still not convinced that there was any better, obvious alternative. Because if we handed $36M in guarantees to Sanchez, we'd be in the same position we are today.
I wanted no part of Cassel, hated the Jackson pick so much I started this thread, absolutely loved Stafford (I was the biggest Stafford fan on this board, just ask OTW), loved Sanchez, and said we should pick Maclin if we don't take a QB @ 3.

This was all posted long before the draft. I used absolutely no hindsight, nor did any of the "drafturbators" who were bashed for calling a spade a spade.

beach tribe 12-18-2009 05:04 PM
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Originally Posted by BossChief (Post 6357936)
Im kinda disapointed in you on this one man. IMHO you should have stuck to your guns. Even if you are wrong in time, you shouldnt abandon ship so quickly on your beliefs. JMO

Time will tell

A rookie season a career not make...

A year from now, you could have hung your hat on that one if it plays out differently that current perception from here on out.
I pretty much share your beliefs completely.

Bunch of could have would have, should have, could have, when we don't if the FAs would have, Too early to tell which pick we should have, and don't know what this season honestly could have.

Hand fulls of hindsight, a sprinkle of premature, and shitload of kneejerk.

beach tribe 12-18-2009 05:07 PM
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Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins (Post 6358174)
I wanted no part of Cassel, hated the Jackson pick so much I started this thread, absolutely loved Stafford (I was the biggest Stafford fan on this board, just ask OTW), loved Sanchez, and said we should pick Maclin if we don't take a QB @ 3.

This was all posted long before the draft. I used absolutely no hindsight, nor did any of the "drafturbators" who were bashed for calling a spade a spade.
You absolutely have stuck to those beliefs.

And I'm glad we didn't pick Sanchez.
I'm also pissed that we gave that $ to Cassel, but I don't think he'll get more than next season to prove he can win.

DaneMcCloud 12-18-2009 05:08 PM
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Originally Posted by BossChief (Post 6358079)
I would rather have Jackson than Freeman.
Uh, not me.

A QB is WAY more valuable than a ****ing 5-tech.

BossChief 12-18-2009 05:11 PM
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Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58 (Post 6358136)
I'm not saying we should have taken Freeman, only that we wouldn't be any worse off if we had.
I disagree further more. Freeman is junk and as soon as next year starts and teams will have had a few game tapes to study, they will take away what he wants to do and he will be the next first round busted qb. I could be wrong, but I have had this thought about him all along.

I think Cassel will end up a better qb next year and beyond than Mr Freeman. I severely dislike MC so far (and NEVER FOR A SECOND WANTED HIM) and am not optomistic about his "ceiling" but can see some things from him recently that point to baby steps in the right direction. He speaks with Tom Brady once per week to deal with the pressure and I think he is mentally strong enough to weather this early storm. He has a work ethic good enough to work through his mistakes and progress in years to come and that is the biggest thing you want to see early on in a young qb.

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud (Post 6358141)
Looks to me as if Wallace Gilberry was a very viable alternative, especially considering he was ALREADY ON THE ROSTER. Alex Magee in the third is a viable alternative as well.

JFC. Urine idiot.



Again, more foolishness.

Why you expected Sanchez to be a superior NFL QB in his first season is beyond me and all on you. He has the tools, he just needs the experience. He'll be a much better QB in 2010 and beyond.
I wonder what they saw in TJ that made them, and other teams, have him jump up boards in the last few days prior to the draft...had to be something significant that hasnt had light shed on it yet.

DaneMcCloud 12-18-2009 05:15 PM
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Originally Posted by BossChief (Post 6358204)
I disagree further more. Freeman is junk and as soon as next year starts and teams will have had a few game tapes to study, they will take away what he wants to do and he will be the next first round busted qb. I could be wrong, but I have had this thought about him all along.
No offense but I really don't care what you "think".

A first round QB has FAR more value than a 5-tech defensive end. Period.

That's all one needs to know.

If either player were to be traded tomorrow, who do you think would fetch a higher draft choice?

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Originally Posted by BossChief (Post 6358204)
I wonder what they saw in TJ that made them, and other teams, have him jump up boards in the last few days prior to the draft...had to be something significant that hasnt had light shed on it yet.
Quite honestly, I don't think they saw shit. The guy was only Second-Team All-America last season, yet he went #3 overall. I think Pioli knows only ONE WAY to build a football team and he's following that blueprint.

Regardless of what was already in place in Kansas City.

beach tribe 12-18-2009 05:18 PM
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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud (Post 6358216)
No offense but I really don't care what you "think".

A first round QB has FAR more value than a 5-tech defensive end. Period.

That's all one needs to know.

If either player were to be traded tomorrow, who do you think would fetch a higher draft choice?



Quite honestly, I don't think they saw shit. The guy was only Second-Team All-America last season, yet he went #3 overall. I think Pioli knows only ONE WAY to build a football team and he's following that blueprint.

Regardless of what was already in place in Kansas City.
"Doesn't make a damn whether you think a QB will bust or not."" YOU TAKE HIM"!


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