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BigCatDaddy 05-04-2017 11:02 AM

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Originally Posted by kstater (Post 12857644)
Crazy how attendance goes down from a championship team to a team that missed playoffs. Ground breaking information there

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I think it was more the losing streak.

O.city 05-04-2017 11:24 AM

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Originally Posted by duncan_idaho (Post 12857148)
Dziedic is most likely an unremarkable lefty/organizational filler type at 26 and with pretty average stuff. But he knows how to pitch and get guys out. If you squint a little, you might believe he could be a Jason Vargas back-end type.

I keep forgetting about Burns, that's solid from him. They've definitely run out worse players in CF, though my hope is that the CF of the future ends up being brought back in a trade (if they sell). Andrew Stevenson of the Nationals, Magnerius Sierra of the Cardinals are two of the guys I imagine they'd covet.

Believe Sierra is pretty key to the Cardinals system and likely unmovable, though.

I'm not sure they're as high on Sierra as you think. Have to ask DJLN for confirmation. I'm looking around at what it might take to move Moustakis to STL this year.

duncan_idaho 05-04-2017 12:00 PM

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Originally Posted by O.city (Post 12857740)
I'm not sure they're as high on Sierra as you think. Have to ask DJLN for confirmation. I'm looking around at what it might take to move Moustakis to STL this year.


Interesting. In looking at the Cards system, it seemed like they had several corner types but not a true CF with high upside, outside of Sierra.

With Fowler on board long term, I suppose it might make Sierra less critical than I was thinking. Not sure he's good enough to be the main piece in a deal for Moustakas, but he'd be an awfully good second piece.

Someone asked about the return for Cain/Herrera from Washington: if you can get Robles back, major coup. He's an absolute monster. It would be putting all your eggs in one basket on those guys (and one that still is pretty far away), but he's a potential superstar.

I'd be pretty excited about that. Thrilled, even.


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Chiefspants 05-04-2017 01:00 PM

Cueto and Zobrist trade updates:

Manaea: DL (Shoulder)
Finnegan: DL (Back)
Reed: Minors (With concerns he's at a Monty like stall)
Lamb: Minors
Brooks: Out of baseball

I recognize that Manaea, Reed, and even Finny could eventually be studs, but watching the trajectory of these gentleman since 2015 has been interesting to say the least.

suzzer99 05-04-2017 02:58 PM

I needed a smile today.

duncan_idaho 05-04-2017 03:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Chiefspants (Post 12857899)
Cueto and Zobrist trade updates:

Manaea: DL (Shoulder)
Finnegan: DL (Back)
Reed: Minors (With concerns he's at a Monty like stall)
Lamb: Minors
Brooks: Out of baseball

I recognize that Manaea, Reed, and even Finny could eventually be studs, but watching the trajectory of these gentleman since 2015 has been interesting to say the least.


I argued pretty strongly at the time that Reed and Manaea were the only two to worry about long-term, looking back.

Still think Manaea is going to be a really good major league pitcher, if he can stay healthy. Not sure on Reed - probably would be best served moving to the pen, and blowing it out an inning at a time. His fastball/slider combo would play up into a major weapon there.

Same with Finnegan.

Lamb and Brooks were fodder.


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suzzer99 05-04-2017 03:57 PM

Realistically what is the earliest we'd be sellers? Let's assume we win 3-5 out of 10 from here on. No big winning streaks. Nothing to give hope we're a playoff team. Would the Nats even be buyers at this point?

It would be awesome to get prospects for Moose, Hos, Herrera and Cain. Esky's worth nothing I assume. Also assuming Hos continues to wake up.

duncan_idaho 05-05-2017 07:41 AM

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Originally Posted by suzzer99 (Post 12858170)
Realistically what is the earliest we'd be sellers? Let's assume we win 3-5 out of 10 from here on. No big winning streaks. Nothing to give hope we're a playoff team. Would the Nats even be buyers at this point?

It would be awesome to get prospects for Moose, Hos, Herrera and Cain. Esky's worth nothing I assume. Also assuming Hos continues to wake up.


I'd say June-middle of June is the smart target.

Moustakas, Cain, Herrera, Vargas, Hosmer would all potentially be on the block.

I could see them being open to moving Kennedy, if someone wants to take on the contract or is convinced he's going to opt out after this year.


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siberian khatru 05-05-2017 08:30 AM

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Raul Mondesi’s Development

This one is a problem I have with teaching the game, or his understanding the game.

In the fourth inning of Thursday’s game in which the Chasers were losing 6-3, Raul Mondesi attempted to lay a bunt down from the left side with a man on second base and two outs. That’s unacceptable, pure and simple! Now I couldn’t attend and didn’t ask manager Brian Poldberg if he had asked for the bunt, but I’m going to take a leap and say that he didn’t. If I’m proven wrong then I apologize for what I’m writing.

The facts are the Royals need to have a come to Jesus meeting with Mondesi and tell him the bunting MUST STOP. To bunt with a man in scoring position and two outs is either a sign that he either has too little confidence in himself to get a hit or he just doesn’t understand why that’s a poor strategy. Either way, it shouldn’t be taking place.

The minor leagues are for development and Mondesi needs to be developing his ability to hit, not bunt. Instead, he should be working on pitch recognition while modifying his swing to make better and more consistent contact – whichever you prefer. The bunt, however, should be the last in a long line of things he should be working on and taking it away from him needs to be done. If he can’t understand that, then the Royals need to make him understand it.

If this is a confidence thing, then the Royals need to take some new steps to work with him. There are far too many tools and talent here for them not to be taking extra steps whatever that may be to help him become the best possible player that he can be. Up until this moment, they have taken what some would say is an interesting path to help him develop. It hasn’t worked, and right now he is in a bad place as a player. They need to take some steps to change things up with him.

BlackHelicopters 05-05-2017 09:12 AM

The fall is so much faster than the rise. Sad.

Unsmooth-Moment 05-05-2017 09:21 AM

Unless Hosmer just goes on a tear and finishes up the early summer blazing I'm getting more and more confident that he will be back in KC. I just read Keith Law's article about him being worth about 20 million over 2 years.. There isn't really a lot of options for him and he's just about all hype. I just hope we don't try to give him 15M AAV to try and sell fans that we are trying to keep the band together. I'd still rank him behind Moose AND Cain to resign, he's simply not worth more than 10M/year..

Chiefspants 05-05-2017 09:23 AM

Where are they now? 2015 Edition

Starting Pitchers

Johnny Cueto 4-1, 4.86 ERA, 1.324 WHIP, 4.50 FIP
Edinson Volquez 0-4, 4.71 ERA, 1.814 WHIP, 4.92 FIP
Yordano Ventura (RIP Yo - His loss can not be understated from an emotional and potentially competitive standpoint for this team).
Jeremy Guthrie 0-1, 135.0 ERA 15.00 WHIP, 21.04 FIP
Kris Medlen - Minors

Bullpen

Wade Davis 2-0, 0.00 ERA .600 WHIP, 1.69 FIP
Greg Holland 0-0, 1.38 ERA, 1.000 WHIP, 1.88 FIP
Ryan Madson 0-2, 1.80 ERA, 1.258 WHIP, 1.97 FIP
Joe Blanton 0-2 10.64 ERA 1.818 WHIP, 9.49 FIP
Luke Hochevar - Injured, Unsigned
Franklin Morales - Out of Baseball
Jason Frasor - Out of Baseball

Offense

Kendrys Morales 225/277/360 4 HR
Ben Zobrist 233/347/395 3 HR
Alex Rios - Retired

I know some vocal fans (they tend to be of the "new wave" ~2013-2014 variety), have laid a lot of blame for the last two seasons at the feet of Dayton Moore. However, judging from the offensive and the starting pitching from those teams, it doesn't seem like retaining any of our offense or starting pitchers would have been the right move (an argument could be made for Zo, but as explained, he wanted to reunite with Maddon).

In terms of the bullpen, a legitimate argument could be made that parting with Wade was the wrong move. However, with Holland looking like he could earn 2/29 from his Rockies contract (if not more), with Madson making 3/22 (and with a Soria like season in 2016), I can't really say the Royals made the wrong move on passing on either of the latter options.

Fansy the Famous Bard 05-05-2017 09:23 AM

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Originally Posted by Unsmooth-Moment (Post 12859083)
Unless Hosmer just goes on a tear and finishes up the early summer blazing I'm getting more and more confident that he will be back in KC. I just read Keith Law's article about him being worth about 20 million over 2 years.. There isn't really a lot of options for him and he's just about all hype. I just hope we don't try to give him 15M AAV to try and sell fans that we are trying to keep the band together. I'd still rank him behind Moose AND Cain to resign, he's simply not worth more than 10M/year..

I love LoCain, but he's not worth resigning to a large contract. Moose, I'd pay.

Unsmooth-Moment 05-05-2017 09:32 AM

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Originally Posted by fahrenheit (Post 12859086)
I love LoCain, but he's not worth resigning to a large contract. Moose, I'd pay.

Define large contract. 4 years at 16.5? I might bite on that. An injury this year would make it pretty hard for him to get anything more than 3 years, which would be intriguing to me.

tk13 05-05-2017 09:34 AM

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Originally Posted by Unsmooth-Moment (Post 12859083)
Unless Hosmer just goes on a tear and finishes up the early summer blazing I'm getting more and more confident that he will be back in KC. I just read Keith Law's article about him being worth about 20 million over 2 years.. There isn't really a lot of options for him and he's just about all hype. I just hope we don't try to give him 15M AAV to try and sell fans that we are trying to keep the band together. I'd still rank him behind Moose AND Cain to resign, he's simply not worth more than 10M/year..

Billy Butler got 3/$30 so I think Hosmer will get more than that, but no doubt he's at risk of losing a lot of money. He still has 5 months to turn it around though. He's always been such a streaky player.


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