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Rain Man 09-22-2010 08:32 AM

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Originally Posted by Amnorix (Post 7021031)
1737. The completion of the Walking Purchase results in the cessation of 1.2 million acres of land by the Lenape (Delaware) tribe of American Indians to Pennsylvania. William Penn had believed fervently in treating fairly with the Indians, which resulted in generally mcuh better relations between him and his colony and the natives, but by 1737 he was long dead. His successors claimed they had a deed from 1680 ceding land equal to what a man could walk in a day and a half. The veracity of this deed is greatly in question, especially as his successors agents had already sold vast swaths of the land in qeustion, and now had to clear it for settlement by colonists. The Encyclopedia Brittanica refers to it as "The Land Swindle". The Indians believed the document was genuine, and since they also believed that about 40 miles was the most a man could walk in a day in a half, they agreed to honor the treaty. The colony then hired the three fastest men in the colony to walk as fast as possible, and with as little sleep as possible, on a prepared trail. They in fact walked 70 miles, obtaining an area roughly the size of Rhode Island in the process.

I hope those three guys were working on commission.

Amnorix 09-23-2010 05:45 AM

September 23

1122. The Concordat of Worms. Nominally a resolution of a power struggle between the Pope, Calixtus II, and Holy Roman Emperor Henry V, the resolution reached actually had far reaching consequences in the division of authority over bishops and other members of the Church within nations, raised the Pope above being subject to secular authority, and eventually undermined the concept of the divine right of kings. Prior to the Concordat, Holy Roman Emperors had taken the position thta it was their right to be involved, heavily or exclusively, in the appointment of bishops, etc. and the selection of the Pope.

1641. The Merchant Royal sinks off Land's End, Cornwall, carrying at least 100,000 pounds of gold, which would be worth $1 billion in today's money, making it one of the, if not THE, most valuable shipwreck ever. The remains of the ship have never been found.

1780. British Major John Andre is arrested as a spy, and his arrest results in the discovery that Benedict Arnold has changed sides.

1806. Lewis and Clark return to St. Louis after exploring the Northwest.

1889. Nintendo is founded, to produce and market a popular card game. Later it will achieve greater fame with different types of games.

1941. The first gas chamber experiments are performed at Auschwitz.

Sofa King 09-23-2010 08:04 AM

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Originally Posted by Amnorix (Post 7029845)
September 23


1641. The Merchant Royal sinks off Land's End, Cornwall, carrying at least 100,000 pounds of gold, which would be worth $1 billion in today's money, making it one of the, if not THE, most valuable shipwreck ever. The remains of the ship have never been found.





1889. Nintendo is founded, to produce and market a popular card game. Later it will achieve greater fame with different types of games.


sure would be nice to happen across that ship right about now..


and DAYUM Nintendo is old.

Rain Man 09-23-2010 09:44 AM

Let's go find that ship. Who's in with me?

bevischief 09-23-2010 09:51 AM

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Originally Posted by Rain Man (Post 7030313)
Let's go find that ship. Who's in with me?

Count me in.

Rain Man 09-23-2010 10:08 AM

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Originally Posted by bevischief (Post 7030347)
Count me in.

Okay, two. Since I can't swim, we'll probably need more, but we're off to a good start.

patteeu 09-23-2010 11:03 AM

It must be really deep water (or really vague evidence of the location where the ship went down) if the $1 billion prize hasn't been enough to attract someone who could find it. Maybe the people on the ship just sailed it away and spread the rumor that it had sunk.

Hydrae 09-23-2010 11:05 AM

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Originally Posted by Rain Man (Post 7030406)
Okay, two. Since I can't swim, we'll probably need more, but we're off to a good start.

I'll join ya but I am only available on weekends. I have to keep my regular job until we find the thing.

Amnorix 09-23-2010 11:07 AM

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Originally Posted by patteeu (Post 7030590)
It must be really deep water (or really vague evidence of the location where the ship went down) if the $1 billion prize hasn't been enough to attract someone who could find it. Maybe the people on the ship just sailed it away and spread the rumor that it had sunk.

They've searched for it. In fact, they found a ship that had quite alot of bullion while looking for the Merchant Royal, but subsequently determined that it was almost certainly a different ship that they had found. As the ship that they found had almost $500 million in gold and silver, they presumably weren't too distraught.

There was a special on the Discovery Channel about the search for lost ships in the English Channel, including the Merchant Royal, in 2009 -- "Treasure Quest".

Donger 09-23-2010 11:12 AM

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Originally Posted by Amnorix (Post 7029845)
September 23

1122. The Concordat of Worms. Nominally a resolution of a power struggle between the Pope, Calixtus II, and Holy Roman Emperor Henry V, the resolution reached actually had far reaching consequences in the division of authority over bishops and other members of the Church within nations, raised the Pope above being subject to secular authority, and eventually undermined the concept of the divine right of kings. Prior to the Concordat, Holy Roman Emperors had taken the position thta it was their right to be involved, heavily or exclusively, in the appointment of bishops, etc. and the selection of the Pope.

1641. The Merchant Royal sinks off Land's End, Cornwall, carrying at least 100,000 pounds of gold, which would be worth $1 billion in today's money, making it one of the, if not THE, most valuable shipwreck ever. The remains of the ship have never been found.

1780. British Major John Andre is arrested as a spy, and his arrest results in the discovery that Benedict Arnold has changed sides.

1806. Lewis and Clark return to St. Louis after exploring the Northwest.

1889. Nintendo is founded, to produce and market a popular card game. Later it will achieve greater fame with different types of games.

1941. The first gas chamber experiments are performed at Auschwitz.

I was at the Missouri Headwaters park in Montana a few weeks ago. Neat place.

Those guys had balls.

Amnorix 09-23-2010 11:15 AM

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Originally Posted by Hydrae (Post 7030597)
I'll join ya but I am only available on weekends. I have to keep my regular job until we find the thing.

My wife is thinking of switching jobs. Maybe she can cover weekday shifts and come home for weekends, and you can cover for her.

She can't swim so she'll need to man the boat or something. She has no direction sense at all, however, and has never manned a boat, so I'd suggest you drop anchor while she's in charge topside.

Oh, and she gets seasick, so bring a barf bag.

Rain Man 09-23-2010 11:15 AM

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Originally Posted by patteeu (Post 7030590)
It must be really deep water (or really vague evidence of the location where the ship went down) if the $1 billion prize hasn't been enough to attract someone who could find it. Maybe the people on the ship just sailed it away and spread the rumor that it had sunk.

I'm not sure how fast it gets deep from Land's End, but it seems like there'd be some kind of shelf for a while. But then again, I have very little experience with deep-sea treasure hunting.

I like the idea of sailing it away, though. What are the odds of being found in that era? But if it's gold, I guess you'd have to go somewhere that values gold or otherwise you're just in the South Pacific with a bunch of shiny rock.

Rain Man 09-23-2010 11:16 AM

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Originally Posted by Amnorix (Post 7030618)
My wife is thinking of switching jobs. Maybe she can cover weekday shifts and come home for weekends, and you can cover for her.

She can't swim so she'll need to man the boat or something. She has no direction sense at all, however, and has never manned a boat, so I'd suggest you drop anchor while she's in charge topside.

Oh, and she gets seasick, so bring a barf bag.


I'm thinking we have an opening for her in Ballast.

Amnorix 09-23-2010 11:16 AM

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Originally Posted by Donger (Post 7030610)
I was at the Missouri Headwaters park in Montana a few weeks ago. Neat place.

Those guys had balls.

Brass ones.

I have tremendous respect for those early explorers, whether Lewis & Clark on land, or all the famous ones at sea.

Anyone who is willing to go someplace on nothing more than a "where are we going?" *points* "that way". :eek:

Amnorix 09-23-2010 11:18 AM

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Originally Posted by Rain Man (Post 7030619)
I'm not sure how fast it gets deep from Land's End, but it seems like there'd be some kind of shelf for a while. But then again, I have very little experience with deep-sea treasure hunting.

I like the idea of sailing it away, though. What are the odds of being found in that era? But if it's gold, I guess you'd have to go somewhere that values gold or otherwise you're just in the South Pacific with a bunch of shiny rock.

There were a number of survivors of the wreck. There's some question, apparently, about whether some/all of the gold was taken off the ship before it sank.

But with survivors, you'd think they'd know pretty much exactly where the ship was. :shrug:


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