You still can't view ESPN3 on it, though, which kinda blows. It wouldn't surprise me if they just made the paid app into an ESPN3 viewer, which I would totally pay for.

Are you certain on that? I understand if you go directly to the SITE it would.. but I am talking embedded files that are embedded as FLASH? My guess is no.

I can see why they would put the code in for youtube... but hard to imagine HOW they could do that for any OTHER flash embedded content since those sites may not OFFER the video as raw h264.

http://newteevee.com/2010/05/03/micr...ver-say-never/

Microsoft backtracks on the ONLY h264 comment and is now open to other codecs... basically, Google is starting to flex nuts regarding vp8 and MS decided to sit the fight out.

in two weeks and 2 days we'll see exactly how far Google wants to take this... if they play hard ball, it will be Apple vs Google, Mozilla, Opera and Adobe... all regarding h264 vs VP8 which is a superior codec.. slightly better quality/performance with MUCH lower storage needs.

Want to make bets on who wins that fight?

Of course, may be a good chance that there is no fight and BOTH codecs get accepted and h264 instead dies a slow phase out death as people gravitate to the better, free codec...

I have NO CLUE at this point and wouldn't make a single prediction until after this month has played out... just stupid to do otherwise.

I doubt it.

ha, yeah you prolly need to read the linked article and the previous posts regarding MS supporting h264 video ONLY in their implementation of html5... this is basically a conditional retraction of that , somewhat

Honestly, I don't think Apple really gives a **** whether it's VP8 or H264. They just don't want whatever it is to cause battery or performance issues. Their main concern is the end-user experience. Lacking Flash isn't necessarily good, but having a device with poor battery life and bad Flash performance is probably seen as the worse option than none at all.

I can understand that BUT Flash 10.1 is FAR superior to previous versions and they could have dealt with it... either way, it's the WAY they did it that irks me...

BUT for the sake of all my arguing.. the reason I bring up VP8 is simply to prove my original point from ages ago... the HTML5 standard is far from settled and if Google heats the debate back up... media companies will take a wait and see approach rather than spend resources converting to one or the other with no clear idea of the outcome.

Apple's BEST move if Google pushes VP8 is to make a HARD push to get BOTH supported by HTML5 and then quickly build support into their machines... or even to give up on h264 and fully throw support behind VP8... ANYTHING to get the debate settled and everyone to move forward with HTML5

Once we KNOW which way to move, everyone in the industry can get down to business with no excuses left to dally.

The other option is for media companies to instead build custom apps that they CHARGE FEES for and blame the lack of a standard ... thereby helping Apple further monetize the web.

Apple hasn't supported Flash on its iPhones since they came out. I don't understand why it's all of a sudden a big deal. They've been pretty open about why they don't want it this whole time.

So you've finally seen my point.

iPad users are just fine with viewing video. HTML5 and Flash aside. For you and megaupload, it's a problem. That's also the first time you've brought up megaupload.

You're still hung up on direct link, which has NO BEARING on it. And, FTR, I'm well aware of user agents bring up different sites based on the browser/device. That's how the iPhone has soared with iPhone oriented sites.

AFAIK, Flash 10.1 is for desktops not mobiles. There isn't a Flash Mobile yet. In fact, the only one supporting Flash Mobile is stuff that isn't out (aka, next Android revision).

So, it seems we were arguing two points. Or at least you were arguing a side point in addition.

Apple has never said it would only use H264. If V8 comes out and doesn't hurt battery life, I see no reason why they won't include it - especially if it would break YouTube support or content providers went solely with it. Flash, on the other hand, has yet to demonstrate it has any capability to run smoothly on a mobile device.

Yeah, because Hulu and ESPN360 aren't doing that independent of Apple. :rolleyes:

Yes, it ended. For you. :evil:

Anybody used the Spirit jailbreak for their iPad yet?

http://spiritjb.com/

No I still disagree, when 6 of 17 sites I vist in a 4 hour span don't work at all and 5 more require a downloaded app... it is far from the claims I have heard from Jobs and others...if it had been 3 sites not working and 2 require an app and the remaining 12 worked fine.. I'd still say it isn't ready for prime time. As I said ages ago, if your primary use is an erader/media player with very very limited casual web surfing then it's probably just fine for that person... but it's not correct to claim it's a viable fully functional web surfing device for users like myself (and I don't think my surfing habits are terrible off beat) KCChiefs.com and KCRoyals.com and Justin.Tv are all pretty standard sites.

On a side note, you are correct, Flash 10.1 for mobile is not out of the lab yet... you can see it in pre-rel;ease beta on various devices but not in the wild. 2 months to go is my guess.