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-King- 10-30-2013 10:51 PM

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Originally Posted by BigCatDaddy (Post 10143056)
Or that having Geno on the bench may rattle Alice after what happened in SF. I wouldn't be surprised if there was some sort of conversation that happened before the trade where the Chiefs assured Alice he wouldn't be pushed by a high draft pick or FA. Obviously speculation, but hey everyone else is doing it :D

So now we're assuming that instead of doing what's best for the team by drafting Geno, Reid and Dorsey care more about not hurting Alex Smiths feelings?

Sorter 10-30-2013 10:57 PM

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Originally Posted by -King- (Post 10143062)
Now we're back to them not wanting Geno which was the original point. That's what all their moves point to. You don't trade 2 seconds for a Qb if you want Geno. You don't make Chase Daniel one of if not the highest paid back up QB if you want Geno. You don't go into the draft with no RT if you want Geno.

THis is just an opinion.


As to your last sentence, who's to say that a different regime took over and determined Donald Stephenson was the RTOTF without informing the public. Would that be the same thing as "going into the draft with no RT"?

It amazes me how much people on both sides of the argument try to make definitive statements without having any inkling of what is actually going on. Then they get angry when you inform them that they're merely speculating (which is absolutely fine, I do it all of the time). It's absolutely incredible.

-King- 10-30-2013 11:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Sorter (Post 10143075)
THis is just an opinion.

How is it an opinion. How gross of a mismanagement of the position would it be if they spend two second rounds on Alex Smith, give Chase Daniel the one of the highest backup QB contracts in the league, and then spent the first overall pick on another QB?





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As to your last sentence, who's to say that a different regime took over and determined Donald Stephenson was the RTOTF without informing the public. Would that be the same thing as "going into the draft with no RT"?
Cause at the same time they were trying to trade Albert. Regardless we would have been without a RT or LT if everything went according to plan.



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It amazes me how much people on both sides of the argument try to make definitive statements without having any inkling of what is actually going on. Then they get angry when you inform them that they're merely speculating (which is absolutely fine, I do it all of the time). It's absolutely incredible.
It is speculation, of course. No one knows what was really said. But given the facts, anyone who thinks they would turn around and draft a QB first overall after what they had done earlier in the off season is kidding themselves.

RealSNR 10-30-2013 11:08 PM

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Originally Posted by ChiefsandO'sfan (Post 10142888)
Take a shot all you want not getting into it.

Why? Are you jealous that you don't have a super-secret source from inside Arrowhead?

BigCatDaddy 10-30-2013 11:10 PM

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Originally Posted by -King- (Post 10143066)
So now we're assuming that instead of doing what's best for the team by drafting Geno, Reid and Dorsey care more about not hurting Alex Smiths feelings?

LMAO Nice strawman.

I think they wanted to see what Alice could do in their system without looking over his shoulder. Not "not hurt his feelings" like you are suggesting.

Sorter 10-30-2013 11:12 PM

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Originally Posted by -King- (Post 10143088)
How is it an opinion. How gross of a mismanagement of the position would it be if they spend two second rounds on Alex Smith, give Chase Daniel the one of the highest backup QB contracts in the league, and then spent the first overall pick on another QB?





Cause at the same time they were trying to trade Albert. Regardless we would have been without a RT or LT if everything went according to plan.




It is speculation, of course. No one knows what was really said. But given the facts, anyone who thinks they would turn around and draft a QB first overall after what they had done earlier in the off season is kidding themselves.

What part of different regime did you miss?

DaneMcCloud 10-30-2013 11:17 PM

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Originally Posted by BigCatDaddy (Post 10143097)
LMAO Nice strawman.

I think they wanted to see what Alice could do in their system without looking over his shoulder. Not "not hurt his feelings" like you are suggesting.

Based on your posts this year, which quite frankly, is the first time I ever noticed them, I don't think you know a ****ing thing.

BossChief 10-30-2013 11:20 PM

There is no possible way that they could have had the nessesary amount of information about any of the quarterbacks from this class when they made the decision to trade for Alex Smith.

Do you think Dorsey was sending scouts to WV games to scout Geno when they have Aaron Rodgers? I dont.

How about Reid sending scouts Wheb he had his 100 million dollar Mike Vick and Nick Foles as well.

You know who I bet both teams sent lots of scouts to see?

Joeckel and Fisher.

Hammock Parties 10-30-2013 11:22 PM

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Originally Posted by BossChief (Post 10143118)
There is no possible way that they could have had the nessesary amount of information about any of the quarterbacks from this class when they made the decision to trade for Alex Smith.

Do you think Dorsey was sending scouts to WV games to scout Geno when they have Aaron Rodgers? I dont.

How about Reid sending scouts Wheb he had his 100 million dollar Mike Vick and Nick Foles as well.

You know who I bet both teams sent lots of scouts to see?

Joeckel and Fisher.

They never had any intention of picking a QB.

It was "can't wait to get Alex" from day one.

Sorter 10-30-2013 11:24 PM

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Originally Posted by BossChief (Post 10143118)
There is no possible way that they could have had the nessesary amount of information about any of the quarterbacks from this class when they made the decision to trade for Alex Smith.

Do you think Dorsey was sending scouts to WV games to scout Geno when they have Aaron Rodgers? I dont.

How about Reid sending scouts Wheb he had his 100 million dollar Mike Vick and Nick Foles as well.


You know who I bet both teams sent lots of scouts to see?

Joeckel and Fisher.


I would guarantee that that scouts from every team was at several of Geno's game.

splatbass 10-30-2013 11:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Sorter (Post 10143044)
Is it just me or does anybody else ready your posts and is immediately reminded of "Lenny"?

I mean, congratulations, your first sentence is factual but also misleading (as you intend to make it all-encompassing without knowing if the Chiefs would have drafted Geno in the 3rd if he was available or moved up if he fell far enough).

We aren't talking about the third - which is irrelevant anyway because he was gone. If you read my post - that you replied to - I was talking about 1.1. You are moving the goalposts.

Sorter 10-30-2013 11:28 PM

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Originally Posted by splatbass (Post 10143130)
We aren't talking about the third - which is irrelevant anyway because he was gone. If you read my post - that you replied to - I was talking about 1.1. You are moving the goalposts.

You simply quoted
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speculation
and I'm not digging through posts right now to find it.


You could very well be right I was moving goalposts, I am human.

BigCatDaddy 10-30-2013 11:31 PM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud (Post 10143109)
Based on your posts this year, <b>which quite frankly, is the first time I ever noticed them</b>, I don't think you know a ****ing thing.


Possibly because you took your ball and went home the year before.

BossChief 10-30-2013 11:32 PM

Don't like Geno at 1? Ok. I understand...but you don't take a right tackle at 1 if anyone is willing to move up.

We were already talking to Miami about Albert and they were obviously looking to move up in the draft because they did so and moved to 3.

By not trading down and adding a second round pick, staying at 1 and taking Fisher was Dorsey saying "Fisher is a SPECIAL prospect that we can't afford to lose"

I'd sure like to see what they did...

AussieChiefsFan 10-30-2013 11:46 PM

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Originally Posted by BossChief (Post 10143141)
Don't like Geno at 1? Ok. I understand...but you don't take a right tackle at 1 if anyone is willing to move up.

We were already talking to Miami about Albert and they were obviously looking to move up in the draft because they did so and moved to 3.

By not trading down and adding a second round pick, staying at 1 and taking Fisher was Dorsey saying "Fisher is a SPECIAL prospect that we can't afford to lose"

I'd sure like to see what they did...

Yeah, deciding not to trade down is looking like not such a great move now.


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